Zimbabwe hunter 'crushed to death by shot elephant'

Zebra3 · 23-05-2017 01:33PM

Gravelly wrote: »

Apparently the farmer is the worst of all:

Are you denying that farmers slaughter animals?

Gravelly · 23-05-2017 01:46PM

Zebra3 wrote: »

Are you denying that farmers slaughter animals?

So does time, and natural predators - should we whine about those too?

archer22 · 23-05-2017 02:01PM

What a tragedy...my condolences to the poor Elephant and her family and friends RIP

Free-2-Flow · 23-05-2017 02:08PM

No Conor, Its is illegal to shoot a pregnant Red deer, State sponsored or not.

Free-2-Flow · 23-05-2017 02:17PM

AudreyHepburn wrote:

Perhaps you could have picked a better place to buy land than in the middle of the deer's territory?

Reediculous statement, do some research and find out how many deer are in Wicklow alone.

AudreyHepburn wrote:

That's disgusting but I believe most state sponsored culls are done a lot more humanely than that.

You believe? As I said, I am plugged into the Hunting World, Where do you get your "I believe" from? Google?

AudreyHepburn wrote:

I'm sorry but to me your attitude just smacks of looking for an excuse to hunt

I don't need an excuse to hunt, it is the oldest form of activity in human history.

23-05-2017 02:23PM

Free-2-Flow wrote: »

No Conor, Its is illegal to shoot a pregnant Red deer, State sponsored or not.

I didn't know that. I understood the terms of licensing arrangements - if it was killed pursuant to a licence - divided deer by species, gender and by antlers. You got a source or link?

Hermy · 23-05-2017 02:50PM

Your Face wrote: »

He was a father of five.

Five reasons not to be messing with elephants.

Vegeta · 23-05-2017 02:51PM

Free-2-Flow wrote: »

No Conor, Its is illegal to shoot a pregnant Red deer, State sponsored or not.

I'm not staying long in this thread. Logic does not sway the illogical or fanatics either so time spent outlining the several successful conservation stories spearheaded/backed/run by hunters is generally time wasted. One example is the Wild American Turkey, yes it was uncontrolled hunting and loss of habitat which saw it decline but it was enthusiastic hunters which began and backed conservation efforts.

Anyway I just want to point out in the interest of accuracy that the above is not true. Deer breed in and around October and many females will be pregnant from this time onward. The season closes in February(the closing date is reviewed annually and is subject to change, but rarely does).

AudreyHepburn · 23-05-2017 02:56PM

Gravelly wrote: »

So does time, and natural predators - should we whine about those too?

Not even remotely comparable to hunting....but I think you know that really.

dodderangler · 23-05-2017 03:02PM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

Not even remotely comparable to hunting....but I think you know that really.

Do you live in the city??

Gravelly · 23-05-2017 03:06PM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

Not even remotely comparable to hunting....but I think you know that really.

I'm sure it means a lot to a pheasant whether it dies through old age (if any do), being hit by a car, or being eaten by a fox. Way better than being shot.

ScumLord · 23-05-2017 03:14PM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

Hunting in all its forms should illegal worldwide.

Said the ant from inside it's ant hill.

It's funny how people that live in urbanised areas (and Ireland is basically one large urbanised area) and reap the benefits of the strip mining of the natural world to feed them always seem to know better how nature works than the people who live in or next to nature and manage the food and environment.

Hunting is far more natural than intensive farming, yet most folk will actively encourage more and more draconian farming techniques so they pay less for food and things like shoes.

Free-2-Flow · 23-05-2017 03:17PM

Vegeta wrote:

Anyway I just want to point out in the interest of accuracy that the above is not true. Deer breed in and around October and many females will be pregnant from this time onward. The season closes in February(the closing date is reviewed annually and is subject to change, but rarely does).

The above is true actually, no red deer to be shot in Kerry

Free-2-Flow · 23-05-2017 03:19PM

Deleted User wrote:

I didn't know that. I understood the terms of licensing arrangements - if it was killed pursuant to a licence - divided deer by species, gender and by antlers. You got a source or link?

Look up the NPWS website, when deer hunting permits are issued it's not a free for all, some county's and specific species are excluded in a yearly basis depending on their population.

23-05-2017 03:21PM

Free-2-Flow wrote: »

The above is true actually, no red deer to be shot in Kerry

Are Park Rangers subject to the same rules as hunters who hunt pursuant to a licence? If there is a suggestion that a Park Ranger in a National Park killed a deer when it was illegal for her/him to do so...that strikes me as a pretty serious matter. Has anyone contacted the National Parks and Wildlife Service?

Irish Guitarist · 23-05-2017 03:21PM

He paid a park to let him 'hunt' because it's legal and safer than going into the wild and finding an animal to shoot. Anyone who thinks he gave a shite about conservation is seriously deluded.

As his last act of kindness I hope he shouted out that he wanted his remains to feed hungry villagers.

23-05-2017 03:22PM

Free-2-Flow wrote: »

Look up the NPWS website, when deer hunting permits are issued it's not a free for all, some county's and specific species are excluded in a yearly basis depending on their population.

I couldn't see any reference to pregnant deer. As I said above, I have seen distinctions made on the species, gender and antler only.

diomed · 23-05-2017 03:22PM

I don't like big game hunting. It can only be done by millionaires as the licence costs can be as much as an average annual salary.

I visited a number of game parks in one African country, and visited some parks many times. These parks can be as large as a few Irish counties, with no population, no houses, electricity, roads (a few dirt tracks). There is no hunting in game parks. There can be licensed hunting in areas outside game parks.
These game parks need protection, and park wardens are paid. Fees from hunting can help finance parks.

Try and get into your head the local situation, and leave behind your Irish expectations. In Ireland there is 6% unemployment. Where I lived there was 70% unemployment in the capital city, and in rural areas (game parks are in rural areas) there is probably 100% unemployment in the sense of waged work (except game wardens, game lodge staff, drivers and so on).

Remove the income from hunting licences and you probably take away the pay of the game wardens, and you take away the game parks.

Free-2-Flow · 23-05-2017 03:35PM

Deleted User wrote:

I couldn't see any reference to pregnant deer. As I said above, I have seen distinctions made on the species, gender and antler only.

Can't paste the link for some reason, sent to you in a PM

OldNotWIse · 23-05-2017 03:37PM

Delighted for the c*nt.

dodderangler · 23-05-2017 03:43PM

OldNotWIse wrote: »

Delighted for the c*nt.

Your name stands to you. You're a horrible human being.

OldNotWIse · 23-05-2017 03:48PM

dodderangler wrote: »

Your name stands to you. You're a horrible human being.

Oh no, a stranger on the internet is being mean to me.

Skylinehead · 23-05-2017 04:04PM

dodderangler wrote: »

Your name stands to you. You're a horrible human being.

Mod: Personal abuse is not acceptable, tone it down.

Your Face · 23-05-2017 04:07PM

Jeff2 wrote: »

This I don't get,it's the same with the news.
Father of x kids dies.
Why is he worth more than a single man.?
I'v kids btw.

I never said nor implied that.
It looks better just let ones post stand on its own instead of looking to take issue with others to justify a limited understanding.

Free-2-Flow · 23-05-2017 04:24PM

Skylinehead wrote:

Mod: Personal abuse is not acceptable, tone it down.

So saying "Good enough for the c*unt" that the man is dead is acceptable then?

Skylinehead · 23-05-2017 04:26PM

Free-2-Flow wrote: »

So saying "Good enough for the c*unt" that the man is dead is acceptable then?

Personal abuse of a member of this website is against the charter. Flat out abuse against anyone in the world can't be moderated, or we'd have to infract someone who said that about an ISIS terrorist or something. Obviously we won't be doing that.

Any more questions about moderation, PM me instead of using this thread. Thanks

vicwatson · 23-05-2017 04:39PM

Elephants never forget eh

infogiver · 23-05-2017 04:51PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

A father dies after an elephant that attacked him was shot by another person?

And you get all "it's the most wonderful time...of the year"?

I'd say time to reflect in yourself...

He wasn't out hunting food to feed his kids.
He went hunting for "sport".
In his leisure time.
A very expensive "hobby", which involves the needless suffering and destruction of animals.
Killing for pleasure.
If he were killed out getting foods for his children then it would be sad.
But that's not what happened.

AudreyHepburn · 23-05-2017 05:00PM

dodderangler wrote: »

Do you live in the city??

Why does that matter?

Am I only allowed an opinion if I move down the country?

ScumLord · 23-05-2017 05:03PM

infogiver wrote: »

He wasn't out hunting food to feed his kids.
He went hunting for "sport".
In his leisure time.
A very expensive "hobby", which involves the needless suffering and destruction of animals.
Killing for pleasure.
If he were killed out getting foods for his children then it would be sad.
But that's not what happened.

But the thing is, hunting is a skill, skills need to be practiced. If he didn't hunt regularly then he'd be no good at it and of no use to the people he works for. In the end it would also be worse for the animals because if he can't put an animal down quickly with one shot they suffer.

One thing I'd wonder about these parks is what kind of interaction do the animals and people have? Are animals feed by people? do they fend for themselves. I wonder will the animals basically learn they only have one real threat, the hunters and just attack them on sight? Elephants will remember family members being killed and may very well look for revenge.

I know these parks are necessary to fund protection work, but are they also teaching big animals like elephants and lions to attack humans fearlessly and to the death as soon as they see the humans?

Zimbabwe hunter 'crushed to death by shot elephant'

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