Terrorist Attack in Manchester (Read MOD WARNING in OP Updated 24/05/2017))

First victim named is just 18 years old. RIP Georgina..

Podge_irl wrote: »

pjohnson wrote: »

Yes this is how it is. This time like all the others and all the future times its a standstill. People who wish to see a change get shouted down by those happy with the status quo. A status quo that has lead, does lead and will continue to lead to innocent deaths. So ok. Lets keep doing nothing at this point we dont even need to say "and see how it goes", we have seen how doing nothing works. We saw how doing nothing works lastnight. If people could actually come up with a "acceptable" solution these discussion things might get somewhere. Instead each and every suggested change is shouted down because of "the innocent refugees" "but they are from 'x' country", "some of the muslims are ok." Then nothing changes and a month or so later the same thing happens again. If this cycle is the only acceptable thing for some people innocents will keep dying.

Suggesting things like burying them in pigs blood is infantile at best.

It's not though, it's just an unsavoury thought for those who live cossessted lives far removed from the horrors these fanatics are inflicting.

I'll simplify it for you;

These extremists kill with the full belief they're martyrdom will bring them to paradise.

These extremists believe that to be tainted by pig's blood will prohibit them from entering said paradise.

Bury the remains of any terrorist who commits such atrocities in pig's blood and it will perhaps dissuade the next jihadist waiting in the wings.

It's a ludicrous proposition but then the beliefs they kill for are similarly ludicrous so what's to lose by at least making an attempt at trying something different because what we've done so far isn't bloody working now is it?

infogiver wrote: »

It can be around for 1 million years but once Britain have left the EU Britain won't be subject to the courts rulings anymore.

Not true unfortunately. We will still have to answer to the EHRC - it is completely separate from Brexit. It was something Blair signed up to and which May has very recently said we will remain signed up to.

I don't think I have ever been as depressed about an incident as this one.

All those poor kids just having a good time.:(

I will never remember the name of the perpetrator but I will do my best to remember the victims.

RIP

NIMAN wrote: »

I have now doubt we will hear 'the perpetrator was known to police' later on.

Or known to a foreign police force who notified british authorities. These guys are almost always known and already had warning labels placed on them.

Podge_irl wrote: »

People aren't doing "nothing" - clearly what is being done is not being 100% successful however. Changes needs to be made, but it is far from straightforward to know what those changes are.

Suggesting things like burying them in pigs blood or deporting entire families is infantile at best. Even ignoring issues such as due process and potential abuses, I think its absurd to expect it to actually work. The easiest people to radicalise are those who feel isolated and rejected from society - it would just make life easier for those orchestrating the whole mess.

And there in lies the Dilemma.
When you have one large society and one small society who's values are so completely different, there will always be this kind of problem. In particular with young men.

Western Society:
Freedom
Democracy
Equality
Tolerance
Alcohol/Drugs
Casual Sex
Capitalist
Nothing forbidden unless "It's Forbidden"

Middle-eastern Society (from which Muslims originate):
Most countries have a Dictator or Royal Family
Religious Control
Women subjugated
Intolerance for those that break state or religious law
Strict laws around Alcohol/Drugs
No sex before marriage, arranged marriages
Your born rich or poor and will stay in that group of people for the rest of your life.
Everything is forbidden unless "It's permitted"

The two cultures are so fundamentally different that (as I see it) it is literally impossible for them to co-exist in the same state.

Is it any wonder that young Muslim men are resorting to this crap?

It's been made very clear by Trevor Phillips documentary What British Muslims Really Think
The Muslims in the UK have no interest in integrating into British Society, and that's fine. But it begs the question why did they ever come to the UK in the first place?

Obviously it's unlikely that there would ever be an attack like this in Ireland in the very near future, but if more and more Muslims, or people of any religious denomination that differs so much from our own culture, we could end up with these kind of problems here.

Jayop wrote: »

SnakePlissken wrote: »

Have you any suggestions yourself how to stop these monstrous atrocities? What may I ask is your primary objection to burying one who commits such an act in pig's blood? Do you genuinely believe these extremists deserve any better in death?

The original suggestion was anyone suspected of being involved in anything radical be force feed pork and interned for ten years in solitary confinement.
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That was not my suggestion and well you know it, I stated that the remains of one who commits such an atrocity should be buried in pig's blood.

As you've purposely ignored my post to go off on your own tangent I'll ask again, what is your primary objection to burying these murderers in pig's blood? Do you believe they deserve better in death?

laugh wrote: »

Donald Trump made a statement singling out Iran for blame, but look at the very recent election in Iran, the people came out in huge numbers to elect a more progressive leader.

While also signing a 110 billion dollar arms deal with Saudi Arabia, the same country where the majority of the 9/11 terrorist attackers came from (15/19), a country which wasn't included in Trumps immigration ban.

This article has a really good breakdown
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/01/trump-immigration-ban-terrorism/514361/