Terrorist Attack in Manchester (Read MOD WARNING in OP Updated 24/05/2017))

ricero · 23-05-2017 11:44AM

Deleted User wrote: »

https://i.redd.it/bel6xsyka5zy.jpg

hear hear. Liberals have weakened this continent

PhoneMain · 23-05-2017 11:45AM

ricero wrote: »

hear hear. Liberals have weakened this continent

Oh **** off

FutureGuy · 23-05-2017 11:46AM

LexieOnRale wrote: »

Absolutely not. The majority of Muslims are good people. Unfortunely even 5% of Muslim extremists is an absolutely huge number.

5%. Jesus if that were the case we would be fcuked long ago. I'd use harsh words to describe this but I like not being banned.

RobertKK · 23-05-2017 11:46AM

Armed police arrested a man at the Arndale shopping centre.

Podge_irl · 23-05-2017 11:48AM

ricero wrote: »

hear hear. Liberals have weakened this continent

So when were the halcyon days of life on this continent?

endacl · 23-05-2017 11:49AM

Podge_irl wrote: »

So when were the halcyon days of life on this continent?

Black Death? WWII?

RayM · 23-05-2017 11:50AM

SnakePlissken wrote: »

So you're saying it's wrong to feel hatred and contempt for an extremist who gladly murdered 22 innocent kids... I'm awestruck by your subservience to these barbarians.

I'm not saying anything of the sort, but well done for trying to spin it that way. I'm saying that acting on hateful impulses is wrong, whoever does it. Moreover, is barbarism not exactly what barbarians want?

valoren · 23-05-2017 11:50AM

The most terrifying thought is that we may well be incapable of doing anything about such attacks.

If someone wants to believe in their beliefs to the point of murdering innocent people to give them divine validation then then we face a stark reality. That there is nothing we can do to prevent their intentions, but merely limit the damage or protect society as much as possible from acts performed for such beliefs.

I walked in Cork city centre last week, circa 1pm, and a group of foreign school kids (15 or 16), one with a back pack, were recording themselves dropping the back pack at the feet of unsuspecting people shouting 'Allah Akbar!' while one recorded from a distance. That's what passes for entertainment now. Luckily a guard on a bike was patrolling, obviously looking for them. He was pointed to where I last saw them.

TimeToShine · 23-05-2017 11:50AM

pjohnson wrote: »

Yes this is how it is. This time like all the others and all the future times its a standstill. People who wish to see a change get shouted down by those happy with the status quo. A status quo that has lead, does lead and will continue to lead to innocent deaths. So ok. Lets keep doing nothing at this point we dont even need to say "and see how it goes", we have seen how doing nothing works. We saw how doing nothing works lastnight. If people could actually come up with a "acceptable" solution these discussion things might get somewhere. Instead each and every suggested change is shouted down because of "the innocent refugees" "but they are from 'x' country", "some of the muslims are ok." Then nothing changes and a month or so later the same thing happens again. If this cycle is the only acceptable thing for some people innocents will keep dying.

A lot of people who are significantly more intelligent than you and also highly trained in this particular facet of proceedings are working on minimizing the impact of terrorism on the Western world. If you think redneck bigotry is the solution over some of the smartest people in the world strategically collaborating then you are utterly insane. I would hate to see what would happen if you got your way, you can bet your ass it would be a hundred times worse than whatever is happening right now.

23-05-2017 11:52AM

TimeToShine wrote: »

It's not even 0.00005%. How could you possibly imply that 1 in 20 Muslims are terrorists or terrorist sympathisers?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_attitudes_toward_terrorism

As far as sympathizers go, the data speaks for itself. Feel free to ignore it if it hurts too much to have your world view tainted.

ChikiChiki · 23-05-2017 11:52AM

sjb25 wrote: »

Unfortunately we can all argue here till the cows come home nothing will be done (I'm not sure what can be) we will all say it's terrible it will be condemned by politicians and world leaders we will have a few prayer services probably put an aul monument up and move on for a few weeks months and it will all happen again with another attack again and we will all argue about it all again for 100 pages on boards what can be done I don't no but somebody sure as hell has to do something

I think it was Manuel Valls the last French PM who said terror attacks were something the French would learn to have to live with. He wasn't wrong however politicians who have got us to the point where we are today, should be locked up for the rest of their days.

Im most definitely looking at Bush, Blair who should 110% be held to account for war crimes and up before the Hague. The gall of Blair trying to re-enter UK politics.

Additionally Merkel, Juncker, Sarkozy, Hollande, Barroso, Sutherland all have made significant contributions to the demise of Europe in the last few years. They were too busy trying to string up the Greeks along with the IMF at the time the migration crisis began. Rash decisions were made.

gmisk · 23-05-2017 11:54AM

Do Irish people have incredibly short memories or what?
Tarring everyone from an entire country or region with the same brush isn't right or fair and definitely not helpful.

How long ago were there no dogs, no blacks, no Irish signs in the UK?

Speaking of Manchester do you think it would be fair to label all irish people (specifically all Catholics) as terrorists after the massive bomb in Manchester city centre in 1996? If someone is linked to a terror attack come down on them like a tonne of bricks, if someone has associates or family who helped do exactly the same, but a little bit of sanity is needed.

infogiver · 23-05-2017 11:54AM

23 year old man arrested

pjohnson · 23-05-2017 11:54AM

TimeToShine wrote: »

A lot of people who are significantly more intelligent than you and also highly trained in this particular facet of proceedings are working on minimizing the impact of terrorism on the Western world. If you think redneck bigotry is the solution over some of the smartest people in the world strategically collaborating then you are utterly insane. I would hate to see what would happen if you got your way, you can bet your ass it would be a hundred times worse than whatever is happening right now.

Of course. They have suceeded so far in stopping these attacks. This has been the first in May. I'm sure the families of 22 deceased people will be overjoyed that these superintelligent people are working on it. Theres no need for anyone to worry

Podge_irl · 23-05-2017 11:55AM

pjohnson wrote: »

Yes this is how it is. This time like all the others and all the future times its a standstill. People who wish to see a change get shouted down by those happy with the status quo. A status quo that has lead, does lead and will continue to lead to innocent deaths. So ok. Lets keep doing nothing at this point we dont even need to say "and see how it goes", we have seen how doing nothing works. We saw how doing nothing works lastnight. If people could actually come up with a "acceptable" solution these discussion things might get somewhere. Instead each and every suggested change is shouted down because of "the innocent refugees" "but they are from 'x' country", "some of the muslims are ok." Then nothing changes and a month or so later the same thing happens again. If this cycle is the only acceptable thing for some people innocents will keep dying.

People aren't doing "nothing" - clearly what is being done is not being 100% successful however. Changes needs to be made, but it is far from straightforward to know what those changes are.

Suggesting things like burying them in pigs blood or deporting entire families is infantile at best. Even ignoring issues such as due process and potential abuses, I think its absurd to expect it to actually work. The easiest people to radicalise are those who feel isolated and rejected from society - it would just make life easier for those orchestrating the whole mess.

pjohnson · 23-05-2017 11:56AM

infogiver wrote: »

23 year old man arrested

#FreeThisMan

SnakePlissken · 23-05-2017 11:58AM

RayM wrote: »

pjohnson wrote: »

The response of doing nothing is even worse.

"Something must be done..."

"Let's do something then... anything! Force-feed them pork, bury them in pigs' blood!"

People sometimes need to stop and take a f*cking look at themselves. Jesus.

Have you any suggestions yourself how to stop these monstrous atrocities? What may I ask is your primary objection to burying one who commits such an act in pig's blood? Do you genuinely believe these extremists deserve any better in death?

PhoneMain · 23-05-2017 11:58AM

pjohnson wrote: »

#FreeThisMan

I agree with you pjohnson. He's definitely an immigrant who's just off the boat to wage war against the infidels. He's definitely not a man who was born in Britain and lived there all his life.

alchemist33 · 23-05-2017 11:59AM

Deleted User wrote: »

https://i.redd.it/bel6xsyka5zy.jpg

That cartoon is as stupid now as the first time it was posted.

infogiver · 23-05-2017 12:00PM

pjohnson wrote: »

#FreeThisMan

If it's proved he knew of these plans in any way he should be locked up and never released.
A whole life tariff
Britain are lucky that the EU court of human rights won't be able to tell them they can't do that any more

Podge_irl · 23-05-2017 12:01PM

SnakePlissken wrote: »

Have you any suggestions yourself how to stop these monstrous atrocities? What may I ask is your primary objection to burying one who commits such an act in pig's blood? Do you genuinely believe these extremists deserve any better in death?

What do you think it's going to accomplish?

hightower1 · 23-05-2017 12:02PM

Deleted User wrote: »

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_attitudes_toward_terrorism

As far as sympathizers go, the data speaks for itself. Feel free to ignore it if it hurts too much to have your world view tainted.

I really try my best to listen to all sides of a story, to balance the viewpoints dispassionately so I'm not swayed by single data points or quotes but in reading that Wiki link I'm genuinely shocked by this, just found myself reading it over and over in disbelief ...

A YouGov survey for the Daily Telegraph,[6] published two weeks after the July 2005 bombings in the London Underground, showed that 88% of British Muslims were opposed to the bombings, while 6% (about 100,000 individuals) fully supported them, and one British Muslim in four expressed some sympathy with the motives of the bombers.

100,000 people in the UK supported the 2005 bombings? My God

RayM · 23-05-2017 12:02PM

SnakePlissken wrote: »

Have you any suggestions yourself how to stop these monstrous atrocities? What may I ask is your primary objection to burying one who commits such an act in pig's blood? Do you genuinely believe these extremists deserve any better in death?

Like you, I don't have a single useful suggestion.

Exeggcute · 23-05-2017 12:03PM

16 years after 9/11 it amazes me that people still ask why this is happening.

Two days after the U.S. signs the biggest ever arms deal with Saudi Arabia

The same Saudi Arabia that funds ISIS and Al Qaeda.

That supported the 9/11 hijackers, the vast majority of whom were Saudi

That builds mosques all over Europe to spread their radical wahabi ideology, the same ideology of ISIS

How many innocent men women and children have been slaughtered in the Middle East by Obama's (and now Trumps) indiscriminate drone strikes?

The West continues to feed this Monster through arms, money and our own bombing in the Middle East.

Couple that with the ghettos across Europe where Muslims have been left to rot for decades...

Opening the floodgates to refugees (created by our wars) so that ISIS can take advantage of the situation

We need to take a long, hard look in the mirror

23-05-2017 12:04PM

infogiver wrote: »

If it's proved he knew of these plans in any way he should be locked up and never released.
A whole life tariff
Britain are lucky that the EU court of human rights won't be able to tell them they can't do that any more

The European court of human rights is around a lot longer than the EU that Britain is leaving.

23-05-2017 12:04PM

hightower1 wrote: »

I really try my best to listen to all sides of a story, to balance the viewpoints dispassionately so I'm not swayed by single data points or quotes but in reading that Wiki link I'm genuinely shocked by this, just found myself reading it over and over in disbelief ...

100,000 people in the UK supported the 2005 bombings? My God

Polls taken by Saudi owned Al Arabiya and Gallup suggest moderate support for the September 11 terrorist attacks within the Islamic world, with 36% of Arabs polled by Al Arabiya saying the 9/11 attacks were morally justified, 38% disagreeing and 26% of those polled being unsure.[44] A 2008 study, produced by Gallup, found similar results with 38.6% of Muslims questioned believing the 9/11 attacks were justified.[45] Another poll conducted, in 2005 by the Fafo Foundation in the Palestinian Authority, found that 65% of respondents supported the September 11 attacks.

Yourself isit · 23-05-2017 12:05PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Just wondering what you think those affected by bombs dropped from 20000 feet think is being attacked? Their 'way of life'?

Whatever cohort of fools thought that they could exploit and bomb other parts of the world into the 'acceptance of their gifts' and that those parts of the world wouldn't eventually come back to affect 'their way of life' are who we should be looking to lock up, suppress and curtail first. And then maybe we could start to put things somewhat back to rights.
'There were things that were done that we would rather had not been done', etc etc.

Sooner or later we all have to face up to this. We the Irish should (from experience) be leading the way in calling for it too, otherwise we quite simply and starkly, face 30 or 40 years of this type of attack and it will get worse before it gets better.

This is nonsense. These attacks were not on American troops or the pentagon. And the us is in fact allied with Saudi Arabia one of the promoters of Islamist philosophy. It's not like we are under threat from the Yemeni attacked by Saudi Arabia and the US.

This is Isis. Part allies with the US in Syria. Problem there is the destabilising effects of the US indeed but not in the way you think.

Isis are attacking the underbelly of the west not because they are attacked but because they can.

Lackey · 23-05-2017 12:05PM

Watching the parents standing at the end of the steps waiting for their kids while everyone runs away will stay with me forever.
They did not move....they weren't going anywhere without their kids

I don't know what the answers are but it sure as fcuk is not wheeling out the usual sh$te 'this will not break us terrorism will not win'

Jayop · 23-05-2017 12:07PM

SnakePlissken wrote: »

Have you any suggestions yourself how to stop these monstrous atrocities? What may I ask is your primary objection to burying one who commits such an act in pig's blood? Do you genuinely believe these extremists deserve any better in death?

The original suggestion was anyone suspected of being involved in anything radical be force feed pork and interned for ten years in solitary confinement.

Anyone who wouldn't have a problem with that kind of fragrant disregard for human rights is no better than those who support terrorism. Then again most of those who think like that don't consider western bombing of the middle east a problem but are outraged when anything happens here.

23-05-2017 12:08PM

Nerves are frayed over here at the moment. People were really panicky about the arndale evacuation. My neighbour was really worried. She woke me as she didn't know what to do.

Terrorist Attack in Manchester (Read MOD WARNING in OP Updated 24/05/2017))

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