Terrorist Attack in Manchester (Read MOD WARNING in OP Updated 24/05/2017))

everlast75 · 23-05-2017 08:46AM

cournioni wrote: »

One thing I cannot understand is, why people seek to defend Islam? What benefit does it have to anybody that people seek to defend it (or any religion for that matter)?

Because whether one agrees with it or not, it is a fundamental belief that everyone has the right to their religious beliefs.

Yourself isit · 23-05-2017 08:46AM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Blaming Islam for these bombings is like blaming Catholism for the IRA bombings.

Terrorists are terrorsists. Most of these terrorist scumbags are well known to drink and not obey Islam.

The IRA didn't attack, by and large, in a sectarian manner. You could blame physical force republicanism - and people did.

MRnotlob606 · 23-05-2017 08:46AM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Blaming Islam for these bombings is like blaming Catholism for the IRA bombings.

Terrorists are terrorsists. Most of these terrorist scumbags are well known to drink and not obey Islam.

No its not the same as blaming Catholicism for the IRA bombings. The IRA were not motivated by religion, they were motivated by ending British occupation of Ireland. To be honest, I'm sure a lot of the didn't give a hoot whether they were catholic or not, it was only used as a way distancing themselves from the enemy.

Itssoeasy · 23-05-2017 08:46AM

My aunt has a phrase that seems apt to describe a person that would do a thing like this to kids is "dirty bastards."

Hank Scorpio · 23-05-2017 08:46AM

murpho999 wrote: »

Can you name the last attack that was instigated by a refugee?

Berlin truck attack in Germany.

tomwaterford · 23-05-2017 08:47AM

archer22 wrote: »

"English" means descended from the Angles..I doubt that will prove to be the case one way or another.

English means born in England/holds English passport to be legally clear

RocketRaccoon · 23-05-2017 08:47AM

murpho999 wrote: »

I didn't ask you that.

I asked you to name a terrorist incident that was carried out by a confirmed refugee.

So please answer the question I asked you.

I have answered. These people are arriving and radicalising people. It would be akin to me brainwashing you, handing you a gun and telling you to kill someone. I may not have pulled the trigger but I was behind the murder.

RocketRaccoon · 23-05-2017 08:48AM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Blaming Islam for these bombings is like blaming Catholism for the IRA bombings.

Terrorists are terrorsists. Most of these terrorist scumbags are well known to drink and not obey Islam.

The IRA didn't kill for religion.

Yourself isit · 23-05-2017 08:48AM

murpho999 wrote: »

I didn't ask you that.

I asked you to name a terrorist incident that was carried out by a confirmed refugee.

So please answer the question I asked you.

There's been more than one:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36882445

Itssoeasy · 23-05-2017 08:49AM

I've been listening to BBC radio 5 live since about 6:30am and both presenters and parents and kids who were caught up in this horrible situation events have been brilliant recounting some horrific images.

kildare lad · 23-05-2017 08:50AM

Unfortunatly,i cant see this type of thing ever ending. Its not like the IRA where you could enter dialogue with sinn fein and try and work thing out. These radicals want an end to western civilisation. IF they ever get a dirty bomb or some type of nuclear device ,theyd have no qualms about letting it off. RIP all the victims.

tomwaterford · 23-05-2017 08:50AM

0ph0rce0 wrote: »

If they are extremists yes

Given that historically the worst terrorist attack in the free state was carried out by protestant terrorists (withe presumed help from mi5)

.....should we had bannedn all Protestants from entering the country from that time??

Your position is inconsistent otherwise?

PeterTheNinth · 23-05-2017 08:51AM

RTE have Declan Power telling us all about the "modus operandi" and how they used nuts and bolts in the attack. Really inappropriate, and he really never brings anything of any use to the discussion. He should take his Sesame Street voice and just f**k off for once.

Enda live on RTE Radio One now.

23-05-2017 08:53AM

RocketRaccoon wrote: »

I have already commented on this. If the attacker turns out to be English (which I believe he will be) then it's fairly obvious he has been in contact with people who are coming from these regions. Stop the boats and this person may not have had his mind warped. Stop the problem before it becomes one.

It's obvious to who?
What about the 7/7 attackers? Which refugees was it that turned them Yorkshire lads into bombers?

AnneFrank · 23-05-2017 08:54AM

I just feel sick over this, really sick.
and all the tough talking is not going to change a dam thing,
why are these people willing to blow themselves up, what is driving them,
how can we convince them there is a better way,
if we can't, it's only going to get worse

AudreyHepburn · 23-05-2017 08:54AM

Absolutely horrendous :-(

Crimes against children are the worst crimes of all.

What has the world come to that innocent children can't feel safe enjoying a night out watching their favourite singer?

These monsters should be rounded up and shot!

Yourself isit · 23-05-2017 08:55AM

kildare lad wrote: »

Unfortunatly,i cant see this type of thing ever ending. Its not like the IRA where you could enter dialogue with sinn fein and try and work thing out. These radicals want an end to western civilisation. IF they ever get a dirty bomb or some type of nuclear device ,theyd have no qualms about letting it off. RIP all the victims.

That's my problem too. The whataboutary crowd point to IRA but the IRA had definite aims. So do all nationalists. Others talk about syria but these aren't attacks on the army.

It's a civilizational thing. Radical Islam doesn't like pop concerts.

tomwaterford · 23-05-2017 08:56AM

kildare lad wrote: »

Unfortunatly,i cant see this type of thing ever ending. Its not like the IRA where you could enter dialogue with sinn fein and try and work thing out. These radicals want an end to western civilisation. IF they ever get a dirty bomb or some type of nuclear device ,theyd have no qualms about letting it off. RIP all the victims.

Maybe they want Britain and America to stop bombing the middle east.....I dont remember any attacks by Islamist when I growing up in Europe??

**not to be taken as condoning these attacks....as who in their right mind would support this....the taliban were shunned in Pakistan after that school attack there

hatrickpatrick · 23-05-2017 08:57AM

MRnotlob606 wrote: »

No its not the same as blaming Catholicism for the IRA bombings. The IRA were not motivated by religion, they were motivated by ending British occupation of Ireland. To be honest, I'm sure a lot of the didn't give a hoot whether they were catholic or not, it was only used as a way distancing themselves from the enemy.

And is it not obvious that the Islamism trend is exactly the same situation? This was never about religion except perhaps to the brainwashed foot soldiers. This has always been about revenge for Western military and financial support for domestically unpopular regimes in the Middle East - even Osama Bin Laden himself said as much.

Will I Am Not · 23-05-2017 08:57AM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Most of these terrorist scumbags are well known to drink and not obey Islam.

I see this line bandied about a lot. Do people here know them all or something?

RocketRaccoon · 23-05-2017 08:58AM

bubblypop wrote: »

It's obvious to who?
What about the 7/7 attackers? Which refugees was it that turned them Yorkshire lads into bombers?

All you have to do is look at the alarming regularity with which these attacks are happening to see that since the borders have been opened the number attacks have ramped up significantly. Have a look at where Mohammed Khan went for a few visits in the time leading up to those attacks.

wonderfullife · 23-05-2017 08:58AM

smelly sock wrote: »

You'd have to worry that an attack like this in ireland is extremely likely.

It's extremely unlikely.

These people want fame/infamy for attacking the powerhouses they feel are occupying forces in "their lands".

Even ISIS know if you start bombing countries like Ireland and Switzerland it will erode their cause. People expect them to attack London, New York and Paris. If they start bombing Dublin and Bern it'll be the beginning of the end for them.

Now, a homegrown radical Irish Muslim terrorist is, of course, likely at some point but they'd get the boat over and do their evil in the UK.

...__... · 23-05-2017 08:59AM

Reminds me of the Palestinian suicide bombing at the nightclub in Israel some years ago.
Lots of kids killed sickening absolutely sickening.

Could have been anyone here's daughters nieces sons etc.
Seeing some people try to hide the reasoning is disgusting.

Free-2-Flow · 23-05-2017 09:00AM

wonderfullife wrote:

Now, a homegrown radical Irish Muslim terrorist is, of course, likely at some point but they'd get the boat over and do their evil in the UK.

Wouldn't be too sure about that, I think it's plausible

Yourself isit · 23-05-2017 09:00AM

tomwaterford wrote: »

Maybe they want Britain and America to stop bombing the middle east.....I dont remember any attacks by Islamist when I growing up in Europe??

**not to be taken as condoning these attacks....as who in their right mind would support this....the taliban were shunned in Pakistan after that school attack there

If America and Britain weren't bombing the middle East that would be the reason. The us is taking the side of the jihadis against Assad.

You are right though that yank actions have radicalised Islam. The links between the us and Saudi are abysmal.

tomwaterford · 23-05-2017 09:00AM

wonderfullife wrote: »

It's extremely unlikely.

These people want fame/infamy for attacking the powerhouses they feel are occupying forces in "their lands".

Even ISIS know if you start bombing countries like Ireland and Switzerland it will erode their cause. People expect them to attack London, New York and Paris. If they start bombing Dublin and Bern it'll be the beginning of the end for them.

Now, a homegrown radical Irish Muslim terrorist is, of course, likely at some point but they'd get the boat over and do their evil in the UK.

Tbh given the material support ireland gives as a fill up point on the way to bomb the middle east.....would you blame them for targeting ireland??

I'd consider that more of a legtimate target than a bunch of kids at a concert

Parchment · 23-05-2017 09:00AM

wonderfullife wrote: »

It's extremely unlikely.

These people want fame/infamy for attacking the powerhouses they feel are occupying forces in "their lands".

Even ISIS know if you start bombing countries like Ireland and Switzerland it will erode their cause. People expect them to attack London, New York and Paris. If they start bombing Dublin and Bern it'll be the beginning of the end for them.

Now, a homegrown radical Irish Muslim terrorist is, of course, likely at some point but they'd get the boat over and do their evil in the UK.

Honestly - if you think this is the case you are really deluded. How will it be the beginning of the end for them?

RocketRaccoon · 23-05-2017 09:01AM

...__... wrote: »

Reminds me of the Palestinian suicide bombing at the nightclub in Israel some years ago.
Lots of kids killed sickening absolutely sickening.

Could have been anyone here's daughters nieces sons etc.
Seeing some people try to hide the reasoning is disgusting.

Maybe I am taking this to heart a little more as I was scheduled to go to this with my daughter.

...__... · 23-05-2017 09:02AM

tomwaterford wrote: »

Maybe they want Britain and America to stop bombing the middle east.....I dont remember any attacks by Islamist when I growing up in Europe??

**not to be taken as condoning these attacks....as who in their right mind would support this....the taliban were shunned in Pakistan after that school attack there

There has been attacks by Muslims in Europe since the 60's under one guise or another.

murpho999 · 23-05-2017 09:02AM

tomwaterford wrote: »

English means born in England/holds English passport to be legally clear

No such thing as an English passport!

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