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Terrorist Attack in Manchester (Read MOD WARNING in OP Updated 24/05/2017))

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  • #872
    everlast75
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,077 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Heard this quote about 2 years ago and it springs to mind at times like these...

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • #873
    smelly sock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,820 ✭✭✭smelly sock


    The problem as i see it is these nut cases are already here. Its not the families or poor feckers in the ribber dinghys in the mediteranean we need to worry about.


  • #874
    Really Interested
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    0ph0rce0 wrote: »
    You should when they blow up your children.

    The people who actully commit these sick depraved crimes or people who just happen to practice the same religion? Or both?


  • #875
    RocketRaccoon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,651 ✭✭✭RocketRaccoon


    Sarz91 wrote: »
    Who is defending "this nonsense" as you put it? Nobody in their right mind approves of this type of act. The point some of us are trying to make is that you cannot simply just deport people based on their religion or views.

    The idea that you would turn child refugees away and deport them back to a war torn country because "how would this child benefit us" or "he/she is Muslim, they're bound to blow something up" is beyond me. How do you go about dehumanising someone to that scale so that they're so inferior to you, you just don't care what happens to them?

    The refugee groups need to be stopped entering because it is clear as day that there are sick and twisted individuals infiltrating these groups and until there is proper vetting involved just close the ****ing doors.

    I read something somewhere before and it is very fitting again today. If you have a water leak, do you leave the water on full power while trying to fix it? Or do you turn off the water at the source and then fix the problem? Close the borders until the proper security measures are in place to ensure the people entering the country are proper refugee cases.


  • #876
    Hank Scorpio
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    bubblypop wrote: »
    Well thankfully no one is letting in refugees without vetting them first.

    Hahaha.

    They take us for fools, and fools we are.


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  • #877
    archer22
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    RocketRaccoon wrote: »
    I didn't say that. I am asking is it OK for these terrorists to even be given the slightest opportunity to get into Europe so they can eliminate our children?
    Never mind, the Irish navy is just sailing off to the Med to shuttle service the next lot across to Europe....and just ordered the medals to award themselves on their return.


  • #878
    RocketRaccoon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,651 ✭✭✭RocketRaccoon


    bubblypop wrote: »
    Well thankfully no one is letting in refugees without vetting them first.

    Wow, I just have no more to say.


  • #879
    chupacabra
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    Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »
    Interesting point re the first aid - it should probably be more widely taught. I grew up during quite an active period of the IRA (and of course the unionist side of things but where I lived it would have been an IRA attack) and it was the little things that have now 'returned to normal' that probably need to change again.

    Absolutely. Here in Estonia all young children are given first aid courses one in primary school, one in secondary. From memory I think only the transition year students in my school had anything similar. It should be mandatory.


  • #880
    ricero
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    Can we change thread title from incident to terroist attack ? Too soft this thread title


  • #881
    0ph0rce0
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,075 ✭✭✭0ph0rce0


    Really Interested wrote: »
    The people who actully commit these sick depraved crimes or people who just happen to practice the same religion? Or both?

    Obviously the people who commit these crimes, But no one coming in is going to tick the box where it says.

    "Do you plan to blow **** up"

    Something needs to be done.

    All these ***** are well known and it always comes out after. If they are well known or linked to extremism the police should knock on their door and execute them with a bullet to the head.


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  • #882
    murpho999
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    bubblypop wrote: »
    Well thankfully no one is letting in refugees without vetting them first.

    Bet it turns out that this attacker is British.

    Refugees are fleeing wars in their home country, they are not terrorists.


  • #883
    punk_one82
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    RocketRaccoon wrote: »
    The refugee groups need to be stopped entering because it is clear as day that there are sick and twisted individuals infiltrating these groups and until there is proper vetting involved just close the ****ing doors..

    They don't tend to have the benefit of time on their side.


  • #884
    tracey turnblad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 657 ✭✭✭tracey turnblad


    Je_suis_Jean wrote: »
    Hi Tracey,

    Having lived as an Irishman in London during the late 80's and early 90's when the IRA were active I can understand the difficult situation your husband finds himself in and I sympathise. I hope he isn't the target of knee jerk reaction in any way.

    One thing I will say (which you may not want to hear) is that I find the relative silence of mainstream Islam to be a major problem and a contributing factor to why many people blame "all of Islam" for these events. (I don't BTW)

    Why aren't Islamic leaders in every town and city in the world holding press conferences and issuing statements which unreservedly condemn this and all previous terror incidents carried out in the name of Islam? If you're not condemning something which is being done in the name of your religion you are by inference, at least in the minds of a lot of people, quietly condoning it.

    During the IRA campaigns Irish Govt, Religious, Civic and Business leaders would ALWAYS come out immediately to both condemn the latest atrocity and to consistently state that the perpetrators DID NOT represent Irish people. They did this as publicly as possible each and every time there was an atrocity and it was one of the main reasons people I lived and worked with in London were able to differentiate between ordinary Irish people going about their daily business and the IRA terrorists and whilst some people tarred us all with the same brush the vast majority didn't.

    I just don't get why the leaders of Islam in every town and city in the UK aren't standing outside their Mosques right now unreservedly condemning what happened last night in Manchester and shouting from the rooftop that the perpetrator, if he does indeed turn out to have acted in the name of Islam, is in fact an extremist nut job who DOES NOT represent Islam.

    Wouldn't it help your husband and all the peace loving followers of Islam if they did?

    My husband voices his opinion on these terrorists very loudly and says it's not in his name as do his family and friends I can't speak for anyone else after that


  • #885
    RocketRaccoon
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    punk_one82 wrote: »
    They don't tend to have the benefit of time on their side.
    I'm sorry but I just don't care. Call me inhumane or insensitive but I want to keep my friends and family safe and the longer this is allowed to continue the more chance there is of an attack happening in Ireland. I really hope that when the inevitable does happen here that you and your loved ones aren't caught up in it.


  • #886
    [Deleted User]
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    RocketRaccoon wrote: »
    The refugee groups need to be stopped entering because it is clear as day that there are sick and twisted individuals infiltrating these groups and until there is proper vetting involved just close the ****ing doors.

    I read something somewhere before and it is very fitting again today. If you have a water leak, do you leave the water on full power while trying to fix it? Or do you turn off the water at the source and then fix the problem? Close the borders until the proper security measures are in place to ensure the people entering the country are proper refugee cases.

    What if this attacker is English?
    Probably doesn't matter to your agenda though


  • #887
    Akrasia
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    RocketRaccoon wrote: »
    The refugee groups need to be stopped entering because it is clear as day that there are sick and twisted individuals infiltrating these groups and until there is proper vetting involved.

    I read something somewhere before and it is very fitting again today. If you have a water leak, do you leave the water on full power while trying to fix it? Or do you turn off the water at the source and then fix the problem? Close the borders until the proper security measures are in place to ensure the people entering the country are proper refugee cases.
    Refugees are people, not water. We all have empathy for the victims of last night's attack, but there are equally innocent children from war torn regions who are victims too.

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • #888
    Yourself isit
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    Sarz91 wrote: »
    Who is defending "this nonsense" as you put it? Nobody in their right mind approves of this type of act. The point some of us are trying to make is that you cannot simply just deport people based on their religion or views.

    The idea that you would turn child refugees away and deport them back to a war torn country because "how would this child benefit us" or "he/she is Muslim, they're bound to blow something up" is beyond me. How do you go about dehumanising someone to that scale so that they're so inferior to you, you just don't care what happens to them?

    Countries have immigration limits nearly universally. It makes sense to limit based on a potential threat.

    Of course most of these issues wouldnt exist if the US left secular dictators be.


  • #889
    Sarz91
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,422 ✭✭✭Sarz91


    0ph0rce0 wrote: »
    You should when they blow up your children.

    So you think we shouldn't let anyone from the states in either by that token of wisdom or the UK or France or most of the western world as each countries military has, knowingly or unknowingly, killed children in Afghanistan, Iraq or syria?

    Of course that's absolute nonsense and would never happen and should never happen so why do you extend that to an entire religion consisting of some 1.7 billion people?


  • #890
    murpho999
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    RocketRaccoon wrote: »
    No it is OK, all the refugees in our country are fine. None of them will want to cause any damage.

    Can you name the last attack that was instigated by a refugee?


  • #891
    cournioni
    Moderators, Regional North East Moderators Posts: 12,742 Mod ✭✭✭✭cournioni


    evil_seed wrote: »
    when I saw the news this morning and it being reported as "a "terror" attack" I thought to myself, oh here we go. Terror is now the code word for Islam. Terrorist attacks are terrorist attacks regardless of the religiouls background of the perpetrator. The incident in Times square last week is also a terrorist attack in my view. Just because he is American, and local to NY does not detract from the definition. Why do the media have to use code words now? And what's worse is it subliminally changes your own view, so when I saw "Terror" I immediately thought Islam, then had to say "F*** you self".
    /rant
    I think it comes down to the volume of incidents involving Islamic terrorists compared with other incidents such as the one in New York. If you see Terror and you automatically think of Islam, you're probably going to be right 95% of the time.

    The incident in New York was equally a despicable act and should not be thought of any less lightly than what happened in Manchester. Murder and attempted murder are exactly that.

    What sets Islam apart is that radicalism exists within it and its holy book is so open to interpretation that a radicalised muslim could view what they are doing as the right thing to do. The big question is, how do you stop it?

    One thing I cannot understand is, why people seek to defend Islam? What benefit does it have to anybody that people seek to defend it (or any religion for that matter)?


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  • #892
    RocketRaccoon
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    bubblypop wrote: »
    What if this attacker is English?
    Probably doesn't matter to your agenda though

    I have already commented on this. If the attacker turns out to be English (which I believe he will be) then it's fairly obvious he has been in contact with people who are coming from these regions. Stop the boats and this person may not have had his mind warped. Stop the problem before it becomes one.


  • #893
    Fr_Dougal
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    Blaming Islam for these bombings is like blaming Catholism for the IRA bombings.

    Terrorists are terrorsists. Most of these terrorist scumbags are well known to drink and not obey Islam.


  • #894
    [Deleted User]
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    RocketRaccoon wrote: »
    Wow, I just have no more to say.

    Oh thank god!


  • #895
    RocketRaccoon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,651 ✭✭✭RocketRaccoon


    murpho999 wrote: »
    Can you name the last attack that was instigated by a refugee?

    Do you think these fake refugees aren't arriving on European shores and getting involved in radicalising individuals?


  • #896
    Yourself isit
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    murpho999 wrote: »
    Bet it turns out that this attacker is British.

    Refugees are fleeing wars in their home country, they are not terrorists.

    Well, obviously some of them can be. Not saying it's true here.


  • #897
    tomwaterford
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    RocketRaccoon wrote: »
    I have already commented on this. If the attacker turns out to be English (which I believe he will be) then it's fairly obvious he has been in contact with people who are coming from these regions. Stop the boats, this person may not have had his mind warped. Stop the problem before it becomes one.

    Should we stop all English from coming into irelaid in this event??


  • #898
    CeilingFly
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    Parchment wrote: »
    Im sure many muslims are but where is the outcry from Muslim communities condemning this? I dont see it and i havent seen it since this rash of attacks started.

    That would go against the sensationalist and racist reporting of the media - particularly the tabloid gutter media.

    It was the same after every IRA attack in Britain. Never mention of how 99% of Irish people were ashamed of Gerry Adams and his murdering mates.

    So if you were Irish and living in Britain in teh eighties and early nineties, you were subject to the kind of vitriol that you see just on this thread by those who tar everyone from a community with the one brush.

    Shamful that those with their racist chants have such very short memories of the IRA and their murder campaign.


  • #899
    archer22
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    bubblypop wrote: »
    What if this attacker is English?
    Probably doesn't matter to your agenda though

    "English" means descended from the Angles..I doubt that will prove to be the case one way or another.


  • #900
    0ph0rce0
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    tomwaterford wrote: »
    Should we stop all English from coming into irelaid in this event??

    If they are extremists yes


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  • #901
    murpho999
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    RocketRaccoon wrote: »
    Do you think these fake refugees aren't arriving on European shores and getting involved in radicalising individuals?

    I didn't ask you that.

    I asked you to name a terrorist incident that was carried out by a confirmed refugee.

    So please answer the question I asked you.


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