Terrorist Attack in Manchester (Read MOD WARNING in OP Updated 24/05/2017))

wonderfullife · 23-05-2017 06:13AM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Bombing the bejaysis out of ISIS in Syria is the minimum requirement. In fact, you have to wonder why it took Nice for them to do it. Why were they not bombing the bejaysis out of them the day before Nice?

Why are all these terrorists always know to police?

Why are there always a spate of arrests and raids AFTER these attacks?

I guarantee today you will hear 3 phrase's

"Known to Police"
"Lone Wolf"
"Further arrests"

Every single time.

Any chance you might answer the question I asked you?

What do you want France and the UK to do?

They're bombing ISIS and doing a pretty good job preventing huge terrorist attacks (UK).

What do you want them to do?

Atoms for Peace · 23-05-2017 06:16AM

wonderfullife wrote: »

Greece and Bulgaria have 30 times as many Muslims as Poland and Hungary combined and haven't suffered (m)any major terrorist incident.

You're over-simplifying very complex issues.

People often become radicalized from home sitting in front of their laptops staring at atrocities in Syria and being whatsapp'd propaganda.

It's not simply a question of movement of people to areas they are "tolerated", it's the movement of hateful, murderous ideas that's the problem and the solution to that is not forthcoming.

The likes of Whatsapp gave terrorists a big leg-up on Intel communities.

The Greeks hardly have a good history with Muslims as they've at war with them on and off since nearly the time of Muhammad, Byzantine wars, fall of Constantinople, Balkan wars etc..

lawred2 · 23-05-2017 06:17AM

Just waking up to this horror...

Kids at an Ariana Grande concert?

Wtf!!?

cournioni · 23-05-2017 06:19AM

The most ****ed up ideology out there.

RIP to those who died.

tomwaterford · 23-05-2017 06:21AM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Bombing the bejaysis out of ISIS in Syria is the minimum requirement. In fact, you have to wonder why it took Nice for them to do it. Why were they not bombing the bejaysis out of them the day before Nice?
.

Whats the point in bombing syria.....if the attackers are home grown??

Why the police not turning the screw on the terror suspects there watching??

By not being covert??

I know lads what would be invovled with dissident politocal groups (afaik not the militant side of things-not that i ask).

....and the gaurds/special branch are very open in watching/hassling them.....

If the police know these suspects etc as they claim...why are they not doing the same

IMO their lying about the intelligence they have/known suspects

punk_one82 · 23-05-2017 06:21AM

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

I think you've summed up the problem in Europe perfectly. A constant state of heightened terror levels because of tolerating an ideology which breeds extremism.

And western countries involvement in constant bombing of the middle east for decades has nothing to do with it? Just their tolerance of those terrorist muslims...

Hank Scorpio · 23-05-2017 06:26AM

punk_one82 wrote: »

And western countries involvement in constant bombing of the middle east for decades has nothing to do with it? Just their tolerance of those terrorist muslims...

It has everything to do with it, US foreign policy has created a lot of the recent problems Europe is facing and I despise them for that. That doesn't mean we should just bend over and take it.

Persephone kindness · 23-05-2017 06:29AM

Free-2-Flow wrote: »

She has reportedly cancelled the remainder of her world tour Indefinitely saying she's too upset to go on performing.

Due to perform in London later this week.

I don't blame her.

I think she shouldn't let them win though. Take a break and go on.

Lets remember not all muslims are thugs ..
#TeamKitten.

Why in the name of god would anyone want to murder a group of kids in Kitten ears at a concert??

RIP Manchester. Love is stronger.

cournioni · 23-05-2017 06:29AM

punk_one82 wrote: »

And western countries involvement in constant bombing of the middle east for decades has nothing to do with it? Just their tolerance of those terrorist muslims...

So western kids at an Ariana Grande concert are to blame. Utter nonsense.

The issue we are having with terror attacks in Europe is down to a poisonous ideology primarily.

punk_one82 · 23-05-2017 06:32AM

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

It has everything to do with it, US foreign policy has created a lot of the problems Europe is facing and I despise them for that. That doesn't mean we should just bend over and take it.

But "we" don't, and the fact of the matter is it's a tiny amount of people claiming to do this in the name of Islam causing the problems. I don't know what the solution is but it's tiresome hearing people say this is the fault of Islam and the fact that Europe has let Muslims in. The issue is so incredibly complex and no sweeping statements like that are accurate. Many muslims genuinely needed to flee places like Syria, and regardless of nationality or religion we should be looking out for them because what they're fleeing is absolutely vile. The west has caused an awful lot of those problems in the middle east and we've a duty to help people in need.

punk_one82 · 23-05-2017 06:33AM

cournioni wrote: »

So western kids at an Ariana Grande concert are to blame. Utter nonsense.

Come on now, where have I ever said they were to blame?

wonderfullife · 23-05-2017 06:34AM

tomwaterford wrote: »

I know lads what would be invovled with dissident politocal groups (afaik not the militant side of things-not that i ask).

....and the gaurds/special branch are very open in watching/hassling them.....

If the police know these suspects etc as they claim...why are they not doing the same

MI5/MI6 say they have 1,000 people in the UK currently on their watch-lists, with some 200 of them being the highest risk.

To conduct 24/7 surveillance of just 1 target involves 30 detectives/operatives. That's just 30 people to trail them 24/7 in shifts.

On top of that 30 people who are physically surveilling 1 single target, you've got dozens others involved in obtaining warrants, intelligence gathering etc.

No police force in the world can keep track of all those suspects - not even the FBI with 35,000 agents, even they can't track all their targets 24/7/365.

What all police forces have to do is use intelligence, informants and judgement to track the ones at highest risk.

It's physically and financially impossible to do it and all it takes is one of the lower risk people on their lists suddenly deciding to act.

cournioni · 23-05-2017 06:34AM

punk_one82 wrote: »

But "we" don't, and the fact of the matter is it's a tiny amount of people claiming to do this in the name of Islam causing the problems. I don't know what the solution is but it's tiresome hearing people say this is the fault of Islam and the fact that Europe has let Muslims in. The issue is so incredibly complex and no sweeping statements like that are accurate. Many muslims genuinely needed to flee places like Syria, and regardless of nationality or religion we should be looking out for them because what they're fleeing is absolutely vile. The west has caused an awful lot of those problems in the middle east and we've a duty to help people in need.

How many Islamic nations have taken in Syrian refugees? UAE? Qatar? Saudi Arabia?

elefant · 23-05-2017 06:36AM

cournioni wrote: »

So western kids at an Ariana Grande concert are to blame. Utter nonsense.

That is so far from what he said I'm embarrassed for you. Pathetic point-scoring post.

Hank Scorpio · 23-05-2017 06:37AM

punk_one82 wrote: »

The west has caused an awful lot of those problems in the middle east and we've a duty to help people in need.

I'm not responsible for what "The West did". I don't want possible terrorists and future terrorists coming into Ireland, period.

punk_one82 · 23-05-2017 06:41AM

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

I'm not responsible for what "The West did". I don't want possible terrorists and future terrorists coming into Ireland, period.

And refugees aren't responsible for what "the terrorists" did.

cournioni · 23-05-2017 06:41AM

punk_one82 wrote: »

Come on now, where have I ever said they were to blame?

You didn't, but essentially you blamed the current problems on the west. The problems were there long before the west intervened. It was just the fact that places like Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya etc were dictatorships which have fallen.

The refugee crisis is in Syria because of the Assad regime.

The guys carrying out these attacks want an Islamic caliphate. They want that no matter where they are in the world and essentially hate non muslims.

wonderfullife · 23-05-2017 06:42AM

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

I'm not responsible for what "The West did". I don't want possible terrorists and future terrorists coming into Ireland, period.

Just like an ordinary peaceful Muslim is not responsible for what this nutcase did in Manchester.

You honestly believe Muslim Travel Bans will help? A travel ban doesn't stop the spread of hateful evil on the internet.

The_Kew_Tour · 23-05-2017 06:42AM

Worst fears come to realisation.

Was hoping the Baloon or Gas theory was the issue.

RIP to all those who died and thoughts go out to the heros trying save more lives.

Mars Bar · 23-05-2017 06:42AM

I'm flying to Manchester later...

Ben Gadot · 23-05-2017 06:44AM

I think Grande just very recently played in Ireland. Scary stuff. Absolutely sickened that someone could target an event they know would be full of children.

How sick in the head do you have to be to murder people that are literally ignorant and innocent of the horrors in this world.

I'm worried now about what's going to happen here next.

The Backwards Man · 23-05-2017 06:45AM

Left a neighbour to the airport this morning, just mentioned in passing about the explosion, he had two granddaughters who were at the concert and didn't even know about it. Thankfully they were ok, didn't want to ring him in the middle of the night or whenever, but Jesus the poor man got some fright.

Nice to see the usual assholes giving their insightful inputs here all the same.

23-05-2017 06:45AM

Mars Bar wrote: »

I'm flying to Manchester later...

You'll be fine.

wonderfullife · 23-05-2017 06:45AM

cournioni wrote: »

The problems were there long before the west intervened. It was just the fact that places like Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya etc were dictatorships which have fallen.

The refugee crisis is in Syria because of the Assad regime.

The guys carrying out these attacks want an Islamic caliphate. They want that no matter where they are in the world and essentially hate non muslims.

Your knowledge is sketchy at best.

The mess in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and Syria is mostly down to Western Intervention and proxy wars.

The "guys carrying out these attacks" kill 100 times as many Muslims as they do non-Muslims.

To paint this as Islam v Christianity/The West is nonsense. They're fruitcakes who will kill anybody, mostly 'their own', to pursue power.

Hank Scorpio · 23-05-2017 06:47AM

punk_one82 wrote: »

And refugees aren't responsible for what "the terrorists" did.

You let in a tonne of refugees from those terror regions certain segments will be extremist. There's no way to properly vet them, and even if there was, you have no idea what they'll do in the future or how they'll view Western values. They'll arrive, fail to integrate into society and then gather in their local newly built Mosques, which in turn will end up recruiting people and inevitably lead to radicalised Islamist's. This has happened all over Europe, even Merkel has called multiculturalism a myth and total failure in Germany.

punk_one82 · 23-05-2017 06:48AM

cournioni wrote: »

You didn't, but essentially you blamed the current problems on the west. The problems were there long before the west intervened. It was just the fact that places like Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya etc were dictatorships which have fallen.

The refugee crisis is in Syria because of the Assad regime.

The guys carrying out these attacks want an Islamic caliphate. They want that no matter where they are in the world and essentially hate non muslims.

So you quote me with a statement I never made calling it utter nonsense even though you know that's not what I said nor what I meant? Cool.

I said the west has a huge part to play in it - this is undisputed fact.
Yes, the middle east had problems before the west intervened - and those dictatorships fell as a result of the west intervening. The middle east is in an awful state thanks to the trail of destruction left behind by western leaders.

I'm aware of the Syrian conflict, but that also has western intervention, so I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.

wonderfullife · 23-05-2017 06:48AM

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Nice to see the usual assholes giving their insightful inputs here all the same.

I don't understand why Hank, Cournioni and Hillman do this every time.

They offer no ideas or solutions either. Always just slate Islam and slate the West's tolerance of Islam - as if there's an option to ban the entire religion or throw anyone who practices regular Islam in jail.

Persephone kindness · 23-05-2017 06:50AM

https://twitter.com/TheManUtdWay/status/866803692644782080

Just to say to anyone giving out about Muslims. Many of the Taxi drivers offering free transport to safety to people are Muslim.
Many of the Drs who will work through the night to save lives are Muslims too.

They hate these thugs as much as anyone. And no one has claimed responsibility yet.

punk_one82 · 23-05-2017 06:50AM

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

You let in a tonne of refugees from those terror regions certain segments will be extremist. There's no way to properly vet them, and even if there was, you have no idea what they'll do in the future or how they'll view Western values. They'll arrive, fail to integrate into society and then gather in their local newly built Mosques, which in turn will end up recruiting people and inevitably lead to radicalised Islamist's. This has happened all over Europe, even Merkel has called multiculturalism a myth and total failure in Germany.

And what happens to those refugees if you stand idly by? Sorry but the urgent plight of the majority of them is more important than you living in fear of a tiny subset.

Hank Scorpio · 23-05-2017 06:50AM

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Nice to see the usual assholes giving their insightful inputs here all the same.

Surprised you were able to read the posts being so high up on that horse.

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