Mayo GAA Discussion Part 2

Anyone know who is in charge of the Under 17s?
They play Sligo on Sunday before the seniors.

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

Here is the funny part though - Seamus O'Shea played in all those games too. Why doesn't anyone make the same observations about him? :rolleyes::rolleyes:

That is a very good point.

If your defence of Aidan O'Shea as having delivered performances consistently on the big days is correct, then the question arises as to why Mayo haven't won a national title. Is it because the rest of the big names on the team - Lee Keegan, Cillian O'Connor, Andy Moran, David Clarke, etc. - aren't good enough or haven't performed? You can't blame the referee/conditions/bad luck for all the failures. Some of the players must either go missing or just not be good enough.

seligehgit wrote: »

Mayo v Sligo is live on RTE 2 next Sunday at 2.00.

Hopefully it is a better game than the Connaught Final a few years back that was over after 15 minutes!

Sligo have a good few injuries so that will not help their cause and struggled for long periods in New York.

I don't think we will learn a hole lot this Sunday it's more to get the rust out of the team Sligo are very weak and will put up a god first half but I'd expect us to win handy

blanch152 wrote: »

That is a very good point.

If your defence of Aidan O'Shea as having delivered performances consistently on the big days is correct, then the question arises as to why Mayo haven't won a national title. Is it because the rest of the big names on the team - Lee Keegan, Cillian O'Connor, Andy Moran, David Clarke, etc. - aren't good enough or haven't performed? You can't blame the referee/conditions/bad luck for all the failures. Some of the players must either go missing or just not be good enough.

I never claimed he has performed consistently on the big day - no player does. I highlighted the fallacy in the suggestion that he has never delivered on a big day. People go on about delivering in the all Ireland final, yet more often than not in a final, across all sports, it is some unheralded guy who makes the difference. Mario Gotze in the world cup final for Germany. Costello in the AI final replay last year, Small in the first game.. Jason Doherty was arguably our best performer in the first game also.


While there has been some exceptional circumstances, be it deliberate media intervention (Joe Brolly 2012, Jim Gavin's media mouthpieces 2016) or shamefully one-sided refereeing to name but two...

The majority of the time, the team just weren't as good as the other team on the day. Why does someone have to be blamed? For instance, what individual was to blame for the startled earwigs? Or the loss to ourselves in 2012, or to donegal in 2014? Or were they just beaten by a better team on the day?

kilns wrote: »

I think the point is that AOS puts himself out to the media an awful lot for someone who has never really been a consistently top player and that he brings this criticism upon himself by doing that.
I guess if he never appeared in the media etc he would be treated just like his brother and people wouldnt pay much attention to him or criticism him for under performing when perhaps he has at his level and will never exceed that.
He is earning a bit of extra cash and fair play to him but he has to take the flak that comes with that exposure

100% that is the case, and there is no issue with highlighting it, and you could understand some level, of people silently wanting him to get a bit of comeuppance over it.

The thing is, when people start judging his performances more harshly because of it - which is now what is happening - doesn't that reflect badly on those judging him too? There is a difference between waiting to say I told you so when he does fail, and inventing failures, with the latter being a bit pathetic.

kilns wrote: »

It is what comes with the terrority.? He puts himself out there in the media so he is going be highlighted and more recognised that those who wouldnt.
I think he is a good player but he is not a top player i.e not in top 20 players in the country and he should be judged on his ability based on that

I think AOS has the potential to be a top player, he needs to take the step. He really was something special at the Donegal game when he came on. He didn't look too fit but the attitude by him was spot on. I hope he plays with that determination all year and the criticism will disappear. Also Mayo need him to play like this.

flasher0030 wrote: »

Audioslaven - Is your user name any reference to the late Chris Cornell's band?

Yes, its a sad day. I couldn't believe it when I heard it this morning. I had the privileged of seen Audioslave way back when they formed in the O2 around 2002/2003. I will never forget it.

A extremely talented guy with a wonderful voice and such a deep song writer.

RIP Cornell

Also switching Cillian to full forward and trying Diarmuid at 11 is what I'm seeing? Definitely something worth trying, imo.

He took photos with some kids after a challenge match. Wow. What a monster.

How is it Aidan O'Shea's problem that Bernard Flynn wants to turn a complete non-event into a scandalous story in order to raise his own media profile? In fact, I like to hear of stories involving Mayo players taking time to speak to the children and take photos with them after matches. And there's plenty more Aidan and other members of the squad do for the young fans that goes cometely unmentioned. As the games become ever more professional, the accessibility of players to the kids is something we should be proud of. The children look up to these guys and love meeting them. Instead of trying to put it on O'Shea for bringing it on himself, what about suggesting that Bernard Flynn should be pretty ashamed of himself for trying to make it seem like interacting with young fans after matches, a great GAA tradition, is a bad thing. Same goes for all journalists who engage in such nonsense.

Seriously cringe stuff from Flynn, whose opinion is weak at the best of times. Any idea why Aido is missing from the squad for Sunday?

Suarezistheman wrote: »

Seriously cringe stuff from Flynn, whose opinion is weak at the best of times. Any idea why Aido is missing from the squad for Sunday?

I'd say they're just trying some different options. He'll probably make an appearance at some point. Would like to see Kirby given a go too.

Suarezistheman wrote: »

Irish times reporting he is not in the squad

Don't know what the story is there. Brendan Harrison is the only injury concern I've heard of.

Flynn's column is a load of Pony IMO.

Stood back in amazement to watch him take part in selfies

They mustn't get out much

I've seen M Murphy do the same. He's the star of the team.

I usually like all the Meath guys, read their content regularly, but he's just not in touch IMO.