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Mayo GAA Discussion Part 2

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ureds

Anyone know who is in charge of the Under 17s?
They play Sligo on Sunday before the seniors.

PARlance

ureds wrote: »

Anyone know who is in charge of the Under 17s?
They play Sligo on Sunday before the seniors.

Damien Gavin afaik.

blanch152

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

Here is the funny part though - Seamus O'Shea played in all those games too. Why doesn't anyone make the same observations about him? :rolleyes::rolleyes:

That is a very good point.

If your defence of Aidan O'Shea as having delivered performances consistently on the big days is correct, then the question arises as to why Mayo haven't won a national title. Is it because the rest of the big names on the team - Lee Keegan, Cillian O'Connor, Andy Moran, David Clarke, etc. - aren't good enough or haven't performed? You can't blame the referee/conditions/bad luck for all the failures. Some of the players must either go missing or just not be good enough.

Oldtree

blanch152 wrote: »

Is it because the rest of the big names on the team - Lee Keegan, Cillian O'Connor, Andy Moran, David Clarke, etc. - aren't good enough or haven't performed? You can't blame the referee/conditions/bad luck for all the failures. Some of the players must either go missing or just not be good enough.

I dont blame anybody for a single point loss on a big day. That is a single kick of the ball that took less than a nano-second.

Western Pomise

seligehgit wrote: »

Mayo v Sligo is live on RTE 2 next Sunday at 2.00.

Hopefully it is a better game than the Connaught Final a few years back that was over after 15 minutes!

Sligo have a good few injuries so that will not help their cause and struggled for long periods in New York.

Coillte_Bhoy

blanch152 wrote: »

That is a very good point.

If your defence of Aidan O'Shea as having delivered performances consistently on the big days is correct, then the question arises as to why Mayo haven't won a national title. Is it because the rest of the big names on the team - Lee Keegan, Cillian O'Connor, Andy Moran, David Clarke, etc. - aren't good enough or haven't performed? You can't blame the referee/conditions/bad luck for all the failures. Some of the players must either go missing or just not be good enough.

You can't lay all the blame on the 'big' players. I think it's a case that our lesser players aren't up to the mark especially in the forwards. We will have 3/4 starters this year that wouldnt get within an asses roar of the Kerry or Dublin team imo

naughto

I don't think we will learn a hole lot this Sunday it's more to get the rust out of the team Sligo are very weak and will put up a god first half but I'd expect us to win handy

PARlance

You would be forgiven for not knowing the U-17 game is on. Prenty was interviewed in the Mayo News Podcast and he noted that while the Seniors are one of the best supported counties around, our support of underage is pretty poor. I think he said that Galway brought more support to McHale for the minor match.

There's next to no coverage in the local papers of the upcoming match. It's a shame that they couldn't find a few pages.

Maybe following the seniors is enough for any one supporter to handle.

MayoAreMagic

blanch152 wrote: »

That is a very good point.

If your defence of Aidan O'Shea as having delivered performances consistently on the big days is correct, then the question arises as to why Mayo haven't won a national title. Is it because the rest of the big names on the team - Lee Keegan, Cillian O'Connor, Andy Moran, David Clarke, etc. - aren't good enough or haven't performed? You can't blame the referee/conditions/bad luck for all the failures. Some of the players must either go missing or just not be good enough.

I never claimed he has performed consistently on the big day - no player does. I highlighted the fallacy in the suggestion that he has never delivered on a big day. People go on about delivering in the all Ireland final, yet more often than not in a final, across all sports, it is some unheralded guy who makes the difference. Mario Gotze in the world cup final for Germany. Costello in the AI final replay last year, Small in the first game.. Jason Doherty was arguably our best performer in the first game also.

While there has been some exceptional circumstances, be it deliberate media intervention (Joe Brolly 2012, Jim Gavin's media mouthpieces 2016) or shamefully one-sided refereeing to name but two...

The majority of the time, the team just weren't as good as the other team on the day. Why does someone have to be blamed? For instance, what individual was to blame for the startled earwigs? Or the loss to ourselves in 2012, or to donegal in 2014? Or were they just beaten by a better team on the day?

kilns

I think the point is that AOS puts himself out to the media an awful lot for someone who has never really been a consistently top player and that he brings this criticism upon himself by doing that.
I guess if he never appeared in the media etc he would be treated just like his brother and people wouldnt pay much attention to him or criticism him for under performing when perhaps he has at his level and will never exceed that.
He is earning a bit of extra cash and fair play to him but he has to take the flak that comes with that exposure

MayoAreMagic

kilns wrote: »

I think the point is that AOS puts himself out to the media an awful lot for someone who has never really been a consistently top player and that he brings this criticism upon himself by doing that.
I guess if he never appeared in the media etc he would be treated just like his brother and people wouldnt pay much attention to him or criticism him for under performing when perhaps he has at his level and will never exceed that.
He is earning a bit of extra cash and fair play to him but he has to take the flak that comes with that exposure

100% that is the case, and there is no issue with highlighting it, and you could understand some level, of people silently wanting him to get a bit of comeuppance over it.

The thing is, when people start judging his performances more harshly because of it - which is now what is happening - doesn't that reflect badly on those judging him too? There is a difference between waiting to say I told you so when he does fail, and inventing failures, with the latter being a bit pathetic.

kilns

It is what comes with the terrority. He puts himself out there in the media so he is going be highlighted and more recognised that those who wouldnt.
I think he is a good player but he is not a top player i.e not in top 20 players in the country and he should be judged on his ability based on that

Audioslaven

kilns wrote: »

It is what comes with the terrority.? He puts himself out there in the media so he is going be highlighted and more recognised that those who wouldnt.
I think he is a good player but he is not a top player i.e not in top 20 players in the country and he should be judged on his ability based on that

I think AOS has the potential to be a top player, he needs to take the step. He really was something special at the Donegal game when he came on. He didn't look too fit but the attitude by him was spot on. I hope he plays with that determination all year and the criticism will disappear. Also Mayo need him to play like this.

FullBack Jam

Audioslaven - Is your user name any reference to the late Chris Cornell's band?

Audioslaven

flasher0030 wrote: »

Audioslaven - Is your user name any reference to the late Chris Cornell's band?

Yes, its a sad day. I couldn't believe it when I heard it this morning. I had the privileged of seen Audioslave way back when they formed in the O2 around 2002/2003. I will never forget it.

A extremely talented guy with a wonderful voice and such a deep song writer.

RIP Cornell

PressRun

Cafferky starting on Sunday. Interested to see how he's going.

PressRun

Also switching Cillian to full forward and trying Diarmuid at 11 is what I'm seeing? Definitely something worth trying, imo.

kilns

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2017/0518/876179-aidan-oshea/

An example of what being in limelight brings upon a player

PressRun

He took photos with some kids after a challenge match. Wow. What a monster.

kilns

exactly its nothing but its negative headlines and thats the point. You dont want that surrounding a player especially an amateur one and I am sure Rochford is sick to death of it

PressRun

How is it Aidan O'Shea's problem that Bernard Flynn wants to turn a complete non-event into a scandalous story in order to raise his own media profile? In fact, I like to hear of stories involving Mayo players taking time to speak to the children and take photos with them after matches. And there's plenty more Aidan and other members of the squad do for the young fans that goes cometely unmentioned. As the games become ever more professional, the accessibility of players to the kids is something we should be proud of. The children look up to these guys and love meeting them. Instead of trying to put it on O'Shea for bringing it on himself, what about suggesting that Bernard Flynn should be pretty ashamed of himself for trying to make it seem like interacting with young fans after matches, a great GAA tradition, is a bad thing. Same goes for all journalists who engage in such nonsense.

danganabu

That article just makes Flynn look like an idiot tbh.

NabyLadistheman

Seriously cringe stuff from Flynn, whose opinion is weak at the best of times. Any idea why Aido is missing from the squad for Sunday?

yop

danganabu wrote: »

That article just makes Flynn look like an idiot tbh.

Aidan probably thought Flynn was a kid and didn't give him a sig.
He can't win either way.

Where was Flynn when Aidan spent the gut of 40 mins in the pissing rain in McHale park taking selfies and giving autographs.....

Challenge match in Meath. :rolleyes:

PressRun

Suarezistheman wrote: »

Seriously cringe stuff from Flynn, whose opinion is weak at the best of times. Any idea why Aido is missing from the squad for Sunday?

I'd say they're just trying some different options. He'll probably make an appearance at some point. Would like to see Kirby given a go too.

NabyLadistheman

PressRun wrote: »

I'd say they're just trying some different options. He'll probably make an appearance at some point. Would like to see Kirby given a go too.

Irish times reporting he is not in the squad

PressRun

Suarezistheman wrote: »

Irish times reporting he is not in the squad

Don't know what the story is there. Brendan Harrison is the only injury concern I've heard of.

Coillte_Bhoy

PressRun wrote: »

Also switching Cillian to full forward and trying Diarmuid at 11 is what I'm seeing? Definitely something worth trying, imo.

Surely these days no one pays any attention to teams published days prior to a game regarding positions?

Stoner

Flynn's column is a load of Pony IMO.

Stood back in amazement to watch him take part in selfies

They mustn't get out much

I've seen M Murphy do the same. He's the star of the team.

I usually like all the Meath guys, read their content regularly, but he's just not in touch IMO.

PressRun

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Surely these days no one pays any attention to teams published days prior to a game regarding positions?

Doesn't mean it won't or shouldn't be tried.