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New EU roaming rates?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,905 ✭✭✭✭Bob24


    Excellent. For people who travel in Europe regularily they will possibly offer better value than other networks (which is not often the case!)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 470 ✭✭stoksyXL


    Anyone know if this new Vodafone roaming is for both bill pay and pay as you go?

    I'm on pay as you go with them, would love to know if this is available for me or for bill pay customers only.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,905 ✭✭✭✭Bob24


    As I read it, it is for everyone except bill pay mobile broadband customers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,281 ✭✭✭Stevek101


    Detail from the link
    Pay as you go customers
    From June 15 all PAYG Mobile Broadband customers will be able to use their full domestic allowance of data when roaming in Europe at no extra cost.
    Bill pay customers*
    From June 15, Bill pay customers - depending on their plan - will be able to use either their full, or a proportion of, their domestic allowance when roaming in Europe at no extra cost.
    Bill pay customers will receive an SMS (sent to their Mobile Broadband dashboard) confirming the allowance of data they will be able to use in Europe at no extra cost. They will also be able to view the allowance on My Vodafone, as well as on their bill.
    Data usage over these amounts when travelling in Europe will be charged as per your home out-of-bundle rates.
    *Mobile Broadband plans with a current domestic allowance of 50Gb or more will remain only available to use in Ireland.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,905 ✭✭✭✭Bob24


    btw I was thinking ... Vodafone's announcement is not only good new for their customers but also for peopel using other networks, as sets and precedent and shows full roaming allowance is possible in the Irish context. The need to remain competitive will pressure Three and Meteor not to try and crush the rules as much as they can more than ComReg would ever had.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,194 ✭✭✭MBSnr


    Bob24 wrote: »
    btw I was thinking ... Vodafone's announcement is not only good new for their customers but also for peopel using other networks, as sets and precedent and shows full roaming allowance is possible in the Irish context. The need to remain competitive will pressure Three and Meteor not to try and crush the rules as much as they can more than ComReg would ever had.

    As ED E says though, they are have presence in nearly every country involved and their price plans are that bit more expensive enough to give them the cushion to absorb costs.

    I do agree though, that this should at least perhaps help the other operators step up, since even the MVNO ID Mobile is also offering more than the basic data allowance when roaming.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,170 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    Eircom Group cant compete.

    Three could, by buying more networks. But then we'll have a two party system all over europe...

    They have a start anyways:
    Hong Kong, Australia, Austria, Denmark, Indonesia, Ireland, Italy, Macau, Sweden, United Kingdom


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,905 ✭✭✭✭Bob24


    MBSnr wrote: »
    As ED E says though, they are have presence in nearly every country involved and their price plans are that bit more expensive enough to give them the cushion to absorb costs.

    I do agree though, that this should at least perhaps help the other operators step up, since even the MVNO ID Mobile is also offering more than the basic data allowance when roaming.

    Yes for sure, these new rules will favour large multinational conglomerates for whom offering Europe wide rates is easier and cheaper.

    But having said that consumers don't care and competitive pressure will still push national networks to try and offer similar service.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,905 ✭✭✭✭Bob24


    Back to Vodafone, I was trying to push their reps to see if there are exceptions for some allowances (as Three are doing), but they seem pretty adament that any data allowance you have in Ireland will also be fully useable in Europe no matter what: http://www.boards.ie/ttfpost/103455150

    Fair play to them, I have to say I am surprised they are making it so hassle-free (and even happier with my recent move from Three to Vodafone).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,905 ✭✭✭✭Bob24


    ED E wrote: »
    Eircom Group cant compete.

    Three could, by buying more networks. But then we'll have a two party system all over europe...

    They have a start anyways:

    I would actually be curious to know what data roaming rates Eircom is paying when their customers are using another European network. Surely and as you said their cost structure for this will be more expensive than Vodafone Ireland's when its customers are using other European Vodafone networks. But still I assume in most cases Eircom is paying much less than the maximum regulated gross rates.

    I think in the medium term the likes of Eircom in each country will have to build some kind of Europe-wide alliance of national networks and agree on special cheap deals for each other within that alliance to remain competitive with cross border networks such as Vodafone, Telefonica, or Orange.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,170 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    They're so tiny they really dont have a bargaining position. Vodafone have 140M subs, Eir/Meteor is probably 0.5M (havent checked). UK networks with 10M subs can create competition for roaming business, small fry get the listed price I would assume.
    Europe-wide alliance of national networks and agree on special cheap deals

    There aren't national networks as much anymore. The real problem anyways is the disparity between countries. PL/CZ have 4-5 less income and 4-5 cheaper MNOs. They've little cash, but 50M+ users that are connected by road and rail to the rest of europe. Szczecin you've got ?6/mo as a normal deal, 20km away over the German border thats ?18-21/mo.

    Trying to homogenize pricing across these areas is an exercise in stupidity.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,905 ✭✭✭✭Bob24


    ED E wrote: »
    They're so tiny they really dont have a bargaining position. Vodafone have 140M subs, Eir/Meteor is probably 0.5M (havent checked). UK networks with 10M subs can create competition for roaming business, small fry get the listed price I would assume.

    So you think they are paying the full EU regulated wholesale prices? I really doubt so, it must be in their mutual interest to negotiate bi-lateral reduced rates with other local operators (which are not their competitors because they operate in another country but with whom they can be mutually useful trading partners).
    ED E wrote: »
    There aren't national networks as much anymore. The real problem anyways is the disparity between countries. PL/CZ have 4-5 less income and 4-5 cheaper MNOs. They've little cash, but 50M+ users that are connected by road and rail to the rest of europe. Szczecin you've got ?6/mo as a normal deal, 20km away over the German border thats ?18-21/mo.

    Trying to homogenize pricing across these areas is an exercise in stupidity.

    I'm talking EU-wide alliance of national operators (as in those networks which operate in just one or a small number of countries) for wholesale roaming only (i.e. each of them remaining fully independent but taking part in a roaming deal to access each other's network at reduced costs so that the EU regulation doesn't kill their cost structure compared to continent-wide competitors). Of couse not homogenising all consumer prices everywhere which indeed doesn't make sense.

    It must be in their interest to give each other discounts so that they can compete with continent-wide competitors. For exemple through that alliance Meteor could have cheaper access to the likes of KPN in the Netherland or GO in Malta in exchange for giving them cheaper access to its own network (they are all very different companies of different sizes and are not competitors as they all only operate in their home country but what they have in common is they are all competing with a local branch of Vodafone: giving each other discounted roaming rates helps them control their roaming costs compared to these Vodafone branches which as your correctly pointed out can otherwise easily drastically undercut them due to their multinational organisation).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,170 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    Not saying they're paying the regulated price, but your roaming partnerships are no doubt impacted by how much the host networks want you sweet roaming rates.


    There arent many national operators. Where do Irish people tend to go? Spain and France where the big lads rule the roost. Even Fenno-Scandia has the multinationals.


    When you regulate that prices should be the same at home and away, what the EU are doing, you're homogenizing pricing to a large extent.


    Its kinda like an insurance policy, paying every day for the odd day when you need something extra. Most of us will now just pay extra for something we under utilize and subsidise jetsetters.


  • Registered Users Posts: 633 ✭✭✭JaCrispy


    48 Months are one of the first budget phone operators to release details regarding the new EU roaming tariffs

    https://ec.europa.eu/digital-single-...oaming-tariffs

    Interestingly they are only allowing full data roaming on their cheapest package....the Guido (1GB of data, 300 mins mobile and unlimited texts)
    They aren't offering it on their higher end packages. Wonder why.

    https://community.48months.ie/t5/Mos...m-p/44774#M229


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 221 ✭✭khamilto


    JaCrispy wrote: »
    48 Months are one of the first budget phone operators to release details regarding the new EU roaming tariffs

    https://ec.europa.eu/digital-single-...oaming-tariffs

    Interestingly they are only allowing full data roaming on their cheapest package....the Guido (1GB of data, 300 mins mobile and unlimited texts)
    They aren't offering it on their higher end packages. Wonder why.

    https://community.48months.ie/t5/Mos...m-p/44774#M229
    They're offering no roaming whatsoever on their other plans.

    Either 48 changes their mind, or Comreg (with the Commission planting a foot firmly up their behind) takes regulatory action.

    I'm glad the Commission has been so public on national operators not trying to get around the new Roaming rules, as Comreg have shown themselves to be utterly disinterested at tackling bad behaviour by mobile phone networks in Ireland.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 84,052 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    M


    The public needs to give the operators a kick in the hole too and boycott/leave any provider not operating within the rules.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 221 ✭✭khamilto


    The public needs to give the operators a kick in the hole too and boycott/leave any provider not operating within the rules.
    And go where? Vodafone are as uncompetitive on price as ever (if not more so) and seem to rely on billpay+older customers who are unaware just how bad a deal PAYG is.

    Meteor (and the wider Eircom group) is without parallel in Ireland for having the worst customer service. Reading a random thread on their talk to forum on Boards will generally leave one feeling a strange melange of disgust and defeat (most likely what the OP feels too), and they are ever in the news getting fined for breaking the rules. I should add, they once told me by e-mail, by letter and over the phone that they had no legal obligation to repair the phone I had bought 6 weeks prior on contract from them.

    Three have been playing shenanigans with increasing their PAYG prices and trying to get around EU roaming regs.

    Who knows what any of the MVNOs will do, though if Virgin Mobile implements EU regs then I will most likely go to them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,905 ✭✭✭✭Bob24


    khamilto wrote: »
    They're offering no roaming whatsoever on their other plans.

    Either 48 changes their mind, or Comreg (with the Commission planting a foot firmly up their behind) takes regulatory action.

    I'm glad the Commission has been so public on national operators not trying to get around the new Roaming rules, as Comreg have shown themselves to be utterly disinterested at tackling bad behaviour by mobile phone networks in Ireland.

    I believe not offering roaming is allowed by the regulation.

    I could be wrong and stand to be corrected, but what I remember from reading the initial drafts is that it just says that if roaming service is offered it has to follow the price guidelines. I don't seem to remember it saying roaming has to be provided.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 226 ✭✭PAKNET


    JaCrispy wrote: »
    48 Months are one of the first budget phone operators to release details regarding the new EU roaming tariffs

    https://ec.europa.eu/digital-single-...oaming-tariffs

    Interestingly they are only allowing full data roaming on their cheapest package....the Guido (1GB of data, 300 mins mobile and unlimited texts)
    They aren't offering it on their higher end packages. Wonder why.

    https://community.48months.ie/t5/Mos...m-p/44774#M229

    iD have already announced their roaming plans:
    https://www.idmobile.ie/whatischanging

    As the last poster mentioned, it's not a requirement to offer a roaming service outside the home country for a priceplan - that's perfectly within the regulations both now and after June.

    The regulations only cover where roaming IS offered outside the home country then it must adhere to the new regulations.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 633 ✭✭✭JaCrispy


    PAKNET wrote: »
    iD have already announced their roaming plans:
    https://www.idmobile.ie/whatischanging

    Thanks for that. Looks like a really good plan, 4G, 30GB of data and 3.3 GB for EU roaming for 7.50 a month. Instead of 48 months which is 3G, 1GB of data and 1GB for EU roaming for a tenner a month.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,762 ✭✭✭peejay1986


    Really annoyed by this change from 48. Can anyone explain to me the possible reason to offer roaming purely on their cheapest membership? Hoping that people will switch to it mid month of going abroad, thus gaining them €10 extra month? Naive if so.

    I'm currently on their Don package but going to switch now after this announcement. Anyone able to suggest anywhere I can get a deal that competes with this for €20 month?

    1,000 mobile mins to any mobile network
    All texts* to any mobile network
    8 GB internet
    Unlimited messaging on WhatsApp
    +60 landline minutes


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,905 ✭✭✭✭Bob24


    Data roaming is more expensive to them than local data service and the cheap plan is the only one for which the regulation allows them to keep data roaming costs more or less under control (since the plan only offers 1GB of data at home they don't have to offer than 1GB abroad). On the 20 euros plan they would have to offer at least 4GB of free data roaming is offered, which they probably thought could potentially cost them too much so they decided to disable roaming altogether.

    For reference, the maximum cost to the network for data roaming is 7.7 euros per GB. So if a customer uses the 1GB allowance on they 10 euros plans the cost to them is more or less the monthly subscription of 10 euros minus VAT.
    However with the plan you are on, potentially you could cost them 4 * 7.7 = 28.8 euros per month in data roaming. Which is more than the 20 euros minus VAT you are paying to them. That's probably the rational for not allowing it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 633 ✭✭✭JaCrispy


    Have Lycamobile come out with any announcement yet? Cannot seem to find it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,467 ✭✭✭jimmynokia


    khamilto wrote: »
    They're offering no roaming whatsoever on their other plans.

    Either 48 changes their mind, or Comreg (with the Commission planting a foot firmly up their behind) takes regulatory action.

    I'm glad the Commission has been so public on national operators not trying to get around the new Roaming rules, as Comreg have shown themselves to be utterly disinterested at tackling bad behaviour by mobile phone networks in Ireland.


    Both these links now gone.. Hmmm...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,194 ✭✭✭MBSnr


    jimmynokia wrote: »
    Both these links now gone.. Hmmm...

    Nah they exist - the urls didn't paste in to the post correctly.

    https://community.48months.ie/t5/Most-Popular-Questions/Going-away-Using-48-when-roaming/m-p/44774#M229


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,651 ✭✭✭✭TheDriver


    http://www.boards.ie/ttfthread/2057712052/3 see post 43. Tesco indicating a roam like home for both types of subscriber


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,651 ✭✭✭✭TheDriver


    I don't see that going well for 48 TBH.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,624 ✭✭✭flexcon


    This is insane. So basically it's really going to heat up now. ID mobile especially. how can you say 3.3GB of roaming data but 20GB of data when in ROI. The thee argument is they offer a promotion in Ireland so perhaps they can circumvent this.

    But Id mobile must surely be blatantly going down the wrong road here.

    I must say though, I can understand why many networks want to do this, allowing someone to use 30gb of data abroad at 7.70 wholesale rate is mad.

    I really cannot wait to see what happens here.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,066 ✭✭✭✭CiniO


    flexcon wrote: »
    This is insane. So basically it's really going to heat up now. ID mobile especially. how can you say 3.3GB of roaming data but 20GB of data when in ROI. The thee argument is they offer a promotion in Ireland so perhaps they can circumvent this.

    But Id mobile must surely be blatantly going down the wrong road here.

    I must say though, I can understand why many networks want to do this, allowing someone to use 30gb of data abroad at 7.70 wholesale rate is mad.

    I really cannot wait to see what happens here.

    Why not.
    They are allowed to do it, by EU legislation.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,624 ✭✭✭flexcon


    CiniO wrote: »
    Why not.
    They are allowed to do it, by EU legislation.

    Where is that calculated? If it is true then it needs more clarification.

    I am aware out of bundle rates, but ID mobile are blatantly saying 30Gb of data in ROI and 3.3GB roaming. As far from my reading that isn't allowed. If I am shown somewhere it says it is - that is different.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,066 ✭✭✭✭CiniO


    flexcon wrote: »
    Where is that calculated? If it is true then it needs more clarification.

    I am aware out of bundle rates, but ID mobile are blatantly saying 30Gb of data in ROI and 3.3GB roaming. As far from my reading that isn't allowed. If I am shown somewhere it says it is - that is different.

    That's all explained in FAQ on EU website.

    Here's a quotation:
    If your operator has not explicitly informed you of a roaming data limit, you can benefit while abroad from the full amount of data under your domestic contract.

    The operator is only entitled to apply a roam like at home data limit in 2017 in case you pay less than ?3.85/GB of data used (in 2018 less than ?3/GB, in 2019 less than ?2.25/GB). The actual limit depends on the monthly amount you pay for your mobile contract. The limit is calculated as in question 19.

    Example 1: At home you have a mobile bundle including unlimited calls, SMS and 3 GB of data for ?30 (?25 excluding 20% VAT). In this case, ?25 / 3GB = ?8.3/GB. When travelling in the EU, you get roam like at home with unlimited calls and SMS, and 3 GB of data, exactly like at home.

    Example 2: At home you have a mobile bundle including unlimited calls, SMS and 10 GB of data for ?30 (?25 excluding 20% VAT). The calculation is ?25 / 10GB=?2.5/ GB. When travelling in the EU, you get RLAH with unlimited calls and SMS, and at least 6.5 GB of data (2*(25/7.7) =6.5). If the operator wishes to apply such a data limit while roaming, they must clearly inform you of the volume available and whenever you have consumed that volume while abroad.

    https://ec.europa.eu/digital-single-market/en/content/frequently-asked-questions-roam-home


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,905 ✭✭✭✭Bob24


    CiniO wrote: »
    That's all explained in FAQ on EU website.

    Yes people should check the actual regulations before accusing mobile networks of not following them.

    Having said that and while I understand the rational behind it, that particular rule might not be the smartest think the EU came up with. Because the EU has heavily communicated on roaming fess are going away (giving the impression to many that any allowance at home will work in another EU country), and since that exception isn't completely straight forward and hasn't been explained much, there will definitely be a lot of confused customers across the EU which won't be clear on what their data allowance is at home and abroad.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,624 ✭✭✭flexcon


    Bob24 wrote: »
    Yes people should check the actual regulations before accusing mobile networks of not following them.

    Having said that and while I understand the rational behind it, that particular rule might not be the smartest think the EU came up with. Because the EU has heavily communicated on roaming fess are going away (giving the impression to many that any allowance at home will work in another EU country), and since that exception isn't completely straight forward and hasn't been explained much, there will definitely be a lot of confused customers across the EU which won't be clear on what their data allowance is at home and abroad.

    To be fair, it is the likes of you that need to set the likes of me straight. I am simply going on what the main media is suggesting and my own reading of the site. I actually read that whole page twice, and in all honesty it still wasn't that straight forward got understand. Having read it again now I see the logicalness with this and in my opinion - It does make more sense.

    At least now I can see the EU law does allow for them to do what they are doing. It really wasn't portrayed that way - even with the EU commission referring to this in a press release by networks not following.

    So thanks to you guys for quoting the needed section.

    PS: I also think that should be sticked and used in response to the many threads created in the individual mobile forums about the roaming kicking in.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,905 ✭✭✭✭Bob24


    Yes definitely agree communication has been poor on the EC's part.

    Basically the commissioner just wanted a nice positive story to look good and just said "the EU is making roaming charges go away" (which was indeed the message relayed by most mainstream media).

    While at the end of the day the change is still an overall positive one for customers, they should have explained it is a bit more complicated that they. I'm sure there will be people going full steam on EU roaming after the 15th of June because they saw on RTÉ or read in the IT that it is new free, and will end-up angrily callling their provider for an explainstion about that 150 euros roaming bill they will have received.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,905 ✭✭✭✭Bob24


    Just got a text from Vodafone. Fair play to them, there is no messing with their offer and the way it's message: everyone can use their whole allowance and they say that clearly.

    Happy days with Vodafone X giving 20gb of data for weekdays and unlimited weekends across Europe for 20 euros every 4 weeks!

    "Travelling to Europe? From 15 June 2017 you can use your full allowance of calls, texts and data while roaming in Europe at no extra cost. So, you can touch base with home, discover things to do, and share those experiences without any worries. For more information as well as to see the European countries in which you can roam at no extra cost simply visit www.vodafone.ie/roaming Opt out call 1800200234"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,624 ✭✭✭flexcon


    Bob24 wrote: »
    Just got a text from Vodafone. Fair play to them, there is no messing with their offer and the way it's message: everyone can use their whole allowance and they say that clearly.

    Happy days with Vodafone X giving 20gb of data for weekdays and unlimited weekends across Europe for 20 euros every 4 weeks!

    "Travelling to Europe? From 15 June 2017 you can use your full allowance of calls, texts and data while roaming in Europe at no extra cost. So, you can touch base with home, discover things to do, and share those experiences without any worries. For more information as well as to see the European countries in which you can roam at no extra cost simply visit www.vodafone.ie/roaming Opt out call 1800200234"

    If I wasn't in contract with Meteor I'd be over on that like a house on fire. For access to the vodafone network and the amount of traveling I do, I wish I never left them. By far the greatest network across most of Europe - except for Germany.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,905 ✭✭✭✭Bob24


    flexcon wrote: »
    If I wasn't in contract with Meteor I'd be over on that like a house on fire. For access to the vodafone network and the amount of traveling I do, I wish I never left them. By far the greatest network across most of Europe - except for Germany.

    Watch for Meteor's new roaming announcement. Depending on what they do it could offer a window to terminate your contract early ;-) (for exemple if I am not mistaken Three made some changes as part of their roaming chances which allowed people to terminate contracts).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,651 ✭✭✭✭TheDriver


    Bob24 wrote: »
    Just got a text from Vodafone. Fair play to them, there is no messing with their offer and the way it's message: everyone can use their whole allowance and they say that clearly.

    Happy days with Vodafone X giving 20gb of data for weekdays and unlimited weekends across Europe for 20 euros every 4 weeks!

    "Travelling to Europe? From 15 June 2017 you can use your full allowance of calls, texts and data while roaming in Europe at no extra cost. So, you can touch base with home, discover things to do, and share those experiences without any worries. For more information as well as to see the European countries in which you can roam at no extra cost simply visit www.vodafone.ie/roaming Opt out call 1800200234"

    Except most plans with vodafone have tiny data limits compared to others e.g. prepay free calls and texts and 1Gb data whereas meteor for same money is 15Gb. So even if meteor offer 20% of that limit, its still far more than Vodafone.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,138 ✭✭✭snaps


    Here in Poland there is no announcement of any new roaming tarrifs from the main suppliers.

    This is the problem, its going to be tough for them to allow you to use the allowance abroad or even a percentage abroad like the more expensive western European networks can.

    I'm glad i kept my vodafone alive every 6 months with a 5e top up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,905 ✭✭✭✭Bob24


    TheDriver wrote: »
    Except most plans with vodafone have tiny data limits compared to others e.g. prepay free calls and texts and 1Gb data whereas meteor for same money is 15Gb. So even if meteor offer 20% of that limit, its still far more than Vodafone.

    Still good for those of us who have a nice deal with Vodafone ;-) And in any case better clarity for customers.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,624 ✭✭✭flexcon


    The company I worked for a while back - we had Three UK in to speak to us about plans etc, this was 2 years ago.

    They said on Three UK the average user uses 3.4GB of data on their all you can eat data plans.

    So in essence she was suggesting that on average we use way less, anyone using above 10Gb per month is in the top 4% of their network and over 30GB is 1%\

    Bear in mind that as 2014 and the UK but we wouldn't be far off.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,138 ✭✭✭snaps


    Ok, So I have just recently kept my VF PAYG active using a 5e top up. If I activate the 5gb add on using 15e of my balance will that still work abroad?

    Or

    Is it only top up deals like the 20e top up for 5gb and unlimited VF texts and calls that work abroad?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,624 ✭✭✭flexcon


    Jsut reading this here from an article. Interesting the end part - exceptional cases where unlimited Data is offered or competitive ....

    So earlier we discussed the DATA element and the math used to calculate this. Their statement here seems at odds with this.


    There is no loophole by which part of the domestic data allowance could be regarded as gift or side benefit, and would, therefore, not count when travelling abroad,” the commission said.

    “Doing so would appear like a clear case of circumvention, for which there is no basis in the roaming regulation. Thus, under the new rules, operators will not be allowed to offer only half a roaming experience to clients.”

    It said the new EU rules “clearly cover data services, along with voice and SMS”.

    “From 15 June on, every existing or new contract that includes roaming services will become a ‘roam like at home’ contract by default. There is no exemption for the data services, only exceptional limits in case of unlimited or very competitive offers,” the statement read.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,467 ✭✭✭jimmynokia


    Bob24 wrote: »
    Watch for Meteor's new roaming announcement. Depending on what they do it could offer a window to terminate your contract early ;-) (for exemple if I am not mistaken Three made some changes as part of their roaming chances which allowed people to terminate contracts).

    No matter what they offer there will changes meaning you can leave but meteor will ask for handset back they are know for it,They have changed Pre-Pay plans already
    http://support.meteor.ie/article/2885


  • Registered Users Posts: 633 ✭✭✭JaCrispy


    Mr.S wrote: »
    Where do you see that plan for 7e50 a month? The cheapest I can see is PAYG 15 a month for

    30GB 4G data.
    300 any network minutes.
    Unlimited iD to iD calls and texts.

    You get 15euro credit back each time you top up 15euro.
    So top up 15euro one month and use 15euro free credit the next month. 15euro for 2 months = 7.50 a month.

    Same offer as Lycamobile.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,651 ✭✭✭✭TheDriver


    http://www.moneyguideireland.com/ article about roaming as it stands


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 226 ✭✭PAKNET


    JaCrispy wrote: »
    You get 15euro credit back each time you top up 15euro.
    So top up 15euro one month and use 15euro free credit the next month. 15euro for 2 months = 7.50 a month.

    Same offer as Lycamobile.

    You have to top-up with ?15 in order to activate the plan benefits.
    At the end of your 30 days, if you don't top up again, you'll be charged out of bundle rates.


  • Registered Users Posts: 633 ✭✭✭JaCrispy


    PAKNET wrote: »
    At the end of your 30 days, if you don't top up again, you'll be charged out of bundle rates.
    That's when you use your 15euro credit to buy a plan for another month.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 226 ✭✭PAKNET


    JaCrispy wrote: »
    That's when you use your 15euro credit to buy a plan for another month.

    But I don't believe you buy a "plan" as such.
    You get, say, 300 minutes, 30GB of data and ?15 credit by topping up ?15.
    It is the top up that gives you the allowances.

    Once your 30 days are up, you are left with your ?15 credit but your 300 minutes + 30GB of data allowance is now gone.
    You can't "buy" the allowances for another month - you have to top up.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 633 ✭✭✭JaCrispy


    PAKNET wrote: »
    But I don't believe you buy a "plan" as such.
    You get, say, 300 minutes, 30GB of data and ?15 credit by topping up ?15.
    It is the top up that gives you the allowances.

    Once your 30 days are up, you are left with your ?15 credit but your 300 minutes + 30GB of data allowance is now gone.
    You can't "buy" the allowances for another month - you have to top up.

    If you cannot use the 15euro free credit to buy another month for free then what can you spend the 15euro on?


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