Apple Market Roof/canopy?

BBM77 · 15-05-2017 9:21pm

They could seek public private partnerships to build multi storey carparks on the council’s own land such as behind the book centre, Bolton St and Millers Marsh. They could build a large multi-story carpark on part of the river front, if it was designed well with a stylist facade it could look great. One building with the remainder as green areas is a much better use of urban space. All that is needed is the will to do something about the problem from the council.

Road-Hog · 15-05-2017 10:37pm

BBM77 wrote: »

They could seek public private partnerships to build multi storey carparks on the council’s own land such as behind the book centre, Bolton St and Millers Marsh. They could build a large multi-story carpark on part of the river front, if it was designed well with a stylist facade it could look great. One building with the remainder as green areas is a much better use of urban space. All that is needed is the will to do something about the problem from the council.

It's a possibility but I would think at the moment removing the car parking is not top priority for the council.

robtri · 15-05-2017 10:50pm

BBM77 wrote: »

Who owns the car parks is not the point. The point is the council spent millions on The Quay without addressing the actual problem with The Quay. If they spent that money on compulsory purchasing even one of those car parks they could start to get control of the problem. Instead they reinforced the problem and are part of the problem.

what millions??

and any idea how much a CPO on the quays would cost?

BBM77 · 16-05-2017 8:36am

Road-Hog wrote: »

It's a possibility but I would think at the moment removing the car parking is not top priority for the council.

Yes, that is true. The North wharf/Newgate Centre would be a much higher priority at the moment.

BBM77 · 16-05-2017 8:38am

robtri wrote: »

what millions??

and any idea how much a CPO on the quays would cost?

Well, it was something that was done before. They bought the carpark down around the crane. I know it was different times financially but they still did it.

Road-Hog · 16-05-2017 9:36am

BBM77 wrote: »

Well, it was something that was done before. They bought the carpark down around the crane. I know it was different times financially but they still did it.

Have a read of the details re CPO process on the attached link.....not as straight forward as you might think and can work out very costly particularly when the lands in questions have commercial activities on them.

https://www.scsi.ie/documents/get_lob?id=402&field=file

Max Powers · 16-05-2017 10:15am

BBM77 wrote: »

Yes, that is true. The North wharf/Newgate Centre would be a much higher priority at the moment.

I'd add bilberry road/greenway to that IMO too.

Motivator · 17-05-2017 5:58pm

Saw this for the first time today. It's some eyesore.

All the work done over the last few years promoting the city as the oldest in Ireland and all the good work done promoting the Viking triangle is completely contradicted by this thing in the Apple market which is like a replica of the west stand at Old Trafford. It's an awful looking thing, could they not have been a bit more imaginative and creative with the design? It's not as if it is being done on the cheap, they could have at least got it right.

Rubberlegs · 17-05-2017 7:18pm

Motivator wrote: »

Saw this for the first time today. It's some eyesore.

All the work done over the last few years promoting the city as the oldest in Ireland and all the good work done promoting the Viking triangle is completely contradicted by this thing in the Apple market which is like a replica of the west stand at Old Trafford. It's an awful looking thing, could they not have been a bit more imaginative and creative with the design? It's not as if it is being done on the cheap, they could have at least got it right.

Totally agree, it is a monstrosity. I can't understand the purpose of it at all. It is a couple of weeks now since I walked up that way and it has totally darkened the whole area. I hope I am proved wrong and when it is completely finished it looks better, maybe lit up and actually serves a purpose. I am sceptical about this though.

Motivator · 17-05-2017 7:28pm

73Cat wrote: »

Totally agree, it is a monstrosity. I can't understand the purpose of it at all. It is a couple of weeks now since I walked up that way and it has totally darkened the whole area. I hope I am proved wrong and when it is completely finished it looks better, maybe lit up and actually serves a purpose. I am sceptical about this though.

No I can't see it improving at all, in fact I can only seeing it getting worse. It's a complete mismatch in the town and just another example of how idiotic those in the city council are.

It looks horrific and many, many people who I've spoken to over the last few weeks have said they won't go near that end of the town. The Apple market is a dreary enough place at the best of times, this just makes it worse.

thomasm · 17-05-2017 11:11pm

Saw it today for first time and I'm surprised it's not clear glass throughout. Struggling to see the point in blocking out the sun. I could understand if it was fully enclosed like a green house but that is not the case.

Sosurface · 17-05-2017 11:30pm

Ah but the goys will be able to take their plastic glasses of local swill outside now and coiff their mustaches and EVERYONE will get to see just how trendy one is.

As an extra bonus nightime entertainment will be provided by the many members of local adventuring community providing a free ( and unsolicited) demonstration of their fine tradition of gloveless combat.

Hurrah.

Max Powers · 18-05-2017 9:13am

Motivator wrote: »

Saw this for the first time today. It's some eyesore.

All the work done over the last few years promoting the city as the oldest in Ireland and all the good work done promoting the Viking triangle is completely contradicted by this thing in the Apple market which is like a replica of the west stand at Old Trafford. It's an awful looking thing, could they not have been a bit more imaginative and creative with the design? It's not as if it is being done on the cheap, they could have at least got it right.

Think they are showing bit of imagination with the mirrored underside...it's unique to Ireland, I can see that becoming a feature for the area, people flock to the one in Marseille and Chicago (lil different I know).anyway, its a little early to be slating it,I was sceptical of their plans for the glass flood wall and the likes of the gravel down by bishops palace area, happy to admit totally wrong and both look great IMO.with the Apple market, yeah, it might be shaded in the middle/most part but hey, its raining/cloudy more than its sunny so roof with a feature not all bad.I think it will look better than the likes of the milk market in limerick, which is a great success but has same issue of creating shade.

Irishlad2014 · 18-05-2017 9:38am

"It looks horrific and many, many people who I've spoken to over the last few weeks have said they won't go near that end of the town. The Apple market is a dreary enough place at the best of times, this just makes it worse."

Ahh the good old Waterford hear-say, they wont go near that end of the city now because there is a roof over it, are these the same people who say they dont go into the centre and do all their shopping in Kilkenny because its too expensive to park in Waterford (even though you see them in town every weekend?)

longshanks · 18-05-2017 10:29am

There are people in this thread who would complain about winning the lotto.

gscully · 18-05-2017 12:06pm

longshanks wrote: »

There are people in this thread who would complain about winning the lotto.

Only if I found out it was being split...

iseegirls · 18-05-2017 12:42pm

longshanks wrote: »

There are people in this thread who would complain about winning the lotto.

True.

Have to remember what the Apple Market was before - a waiting area for taxis, a stand selling chocolate and crisps that was a year out of date, and overgrown trees.

ArtVandelay76 · 18-05-2017 2:18pm

Max Powers wrote: »

Think they are showing bit of imagination with the mirrored underside...it's unique to Ireland, I can see that becoming a feature for the area, people flock to the one in Marseille and Chicago (lil different I know).anyway, its a little early to be slating it,I was sceptical of their plans for the glass flood wall and the likes of the gravel down by bishops palace area, happy to admit totally wrong and both look great IMO.with the Apple market, yeah, it might be shaded in the middle/most part but hey, its raining/cloudy more than its sunny so roof with a feature not all bad.I think it will look better than the likes of the milk market in limerick, which is a great success but has same issue of creating shade.

Are they actually making it a mirrored ceiling or is that just speculation?

Max Powers · 18-05-2017 2:45pm

ArtVandelay76 wrote: »

Are they actually making it a mirrored ceiling or is that just speculation?

Yeah, fact.

JohnC. · 18-05-2017 2:46pm

There's been one mirrored panel on it for a few weeks. Presumably some sort of test fitting.

Max Powers · 18-05-2017 2:57pm

JohnC. wrote: »

There's been one mirrored panel on it for a few weeks. Presumably some sort of test fitting.

They need to do a top job on this feature for it to be impressive.

Rubberlegs · 23-05-2017 3:26pm

I went up for a nose today for the first time in a few weeks and was pleasantly surprised with progress. I have to eat my previous words a little

. There is a timber framework being fitted to the underside of the roof and that in itself has already brightened up the look of it. Whether it was the sunny day or what but the place doesn't appear half as gloomy looking. I believe there will be a seating area under the canopy? To be honest I have been totally clueless as to what it's purpose is to be.

debok · 23-05-2017 4:32pm

73Cat wrote: »

I went up for a nose today for the first time in a few weeks and was pleasantly surprised with progress. I have to eat my previous words a little . There is a timber framework being fitted to the underside of the roof and that in itself has already brightened up the look of it. Whether it was the sunny day or what but the place doesn't appear half as gloomy looking. I believe there will be a seating area under the canopy? To be honest I have been totally clueless as to what it's purpose is to be.

Yeh there will be tables and chairs outside all the pubs and stuff there. Saw it today thought it looked well from some of comments here I was expecting it to be terrible. Think it will be right job when its done and when new shopping center is built the area will be completely changed

Max Powers · 23-05-2017 8:59pm

73Cat wrote: »

I went up for a nose today for the first time in a few weeks and was pleasantly surprised with progress. I have to eat my previous words a little . There is a timber framework being fitted to the underside of the roof and that in itself has already brightened up the look of it. Whether it was the sunny day or what but the place doesn't appear half as gloomy looking. I believe there will be a seating area under the canopy? To be honest I have been totally clueless as to what it's purpose is to be.

Looks like real awkward job for carpentry, just hope the mirror can be put in as quality as rest of construction.you can see the one in France looks like one massive mirror, no breaks, no screws visible, etc.

mire · 24-05-2017 2:18pm

Visited the site at the weekend; this project is risky, and to be honest, sounds a little bit foolish on paper - covering a public space is not always a good idea.

However, from what i can see, this has been designed, and is being executed, in a very accomplished manner. It is sensitive and carefully placed, the materials look 'right', the relationship to the buildings is positive. I think it will be a fantastic addition to the city centre.

Deiseen · 24-05-2017 2:20pm

mire wrote: »

Visited the site at the weekend; this project is risky, and to be honest, sounds a little bit foolish on paper - covering a public space is not always a good idea.

However, from what i can see, this has been designed, and is being executed, in a very accomplished manner. It is sensitive and carefully placed, the materials look 'right', the relationship to the buildings is positive. I think it will be a fantastic addition to the city centre.

Any pictures?

MartyMcFly84 · 24-05-2017 3:10pm

I haven't seen it either in a few week, would be great to see how its coming along.

Max Powers · 24-05-2017 10:02pm

mire wrote: »

Visited the site at the weekend; this project is risky, and to be honest, sounds a little bit foolish on paper - covering a public space is not always a good idea.

However, from what i can see, this has been designed, and is being executed, in a very accomplished manner. It is sensitive and carefully placed, the materials look 'right', the relationship to the buildings is positive. I think it will be a fantastic addition to the city centre.

I'm impressed too,I find myself parking down that side often when in town, just so i can have a look.

mire · 25-05-2017 12:18pm

Deiseen wrote: »

Any pictures?

sorry, no!

Harry Palmr · 25-05-2017 12:25pm

I might well be down there on Saturday, if so I'll take some more shots

mooseknunkle · 25-05-2017 12:33pm

Deiseen wrote: »

Any pictures?

From facebook

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dzilla · 25-05-2017 12:42pm

MartyMcFly84 · 25-05-2017 1:21pm

Thanks for the pic. there is is potential for a great atmosphere along the street with outdoor seating for bar and restaurants.

lassykk · 25-05-2017 7:31pm

I think it's cool and if it fosters and outdoor area for a few relaxed drinks in our occasional sunshine then I'm all for it.

It's not like what was there before it was anything beautiful!

StringerBell · 26-05-2017 2:00am

Could be fantastic, could be a hive of anti social behaviour......will have to see I suppose, I am certain of one thing, I think it is going to look brilliant

MartyMcFly84 · 26-05-2017 9:42am

I think it's cool and if it fosters and outdoor area for a few relaxed drinks in our occasional sunshine then I'm all for it.

It's not like what was there before it was anything beautiful

True , the only thing i will miss would be the large tree that they cut down in the Apple Market. I hope they incorporate a few more trees along the side of pedestrian areas. I am not a fan of planted boxes for public greenery as they are never looked after and dry out.

JohnC. · 26-05-2017 10:14am

I can't speak for other places, but Waterford seems okay for watering plants. I go to work early in the morning and see them out with a tractor and slurry tank full of water watering plants and hanging baskets on the streets.

I think some people may be surprised at the work that gets done out there before they're out of the house (or bed). You should see the state of the rubbish on the streets early on a Saturday morning.

MartyMcFly84 · 26-05-2017 11:20am

perhaps I am wrong to tar Waterford with the same brush as Dublin where I work during the week. Often planters in the city centre are dried out an stuffed with empty cans.

MRnotlob606 · 26-05-2017 11:55am

JohnC. wrote: »

I can't speak for other places, but Waterford seems okay for watering plants. I go to work early in the morning and see them out with a tractor and slurry tank full of water watering plants and hanging baskets on the streets.

I think some people may be surprised at the work that gets done out there before they're out of the house (or bed). You should see the state of the rubbish on the streets early on a Saturday morning.

If you look at the john street area after a student night out, the place is absolutely disgraceful. I feel sorry for the people who have to clean up for these inconsiderate morons.

Deiseen · 26-05-2017 12:12pm

MRnotlob606 wrote: »

JohnC. wrote: »

I can't speak for other places, but Waterford seems okay for watering plants. I go to work early in the morning and see them out with a tractor and slurry tank full of water watering plants and hanging baskets on the streets.

I think some people may be surprised at the work that gets done out there before they're out of the house (or bed). You should see the state of the rubbish on the streets early on a Saturday morning.

If you look at the john street area after a student night out, the place is absolutely disgraceful. I feel sorry for the people who have to clean up for these inconsiderate morons.

Same as John Street on a Saturday or Sunday morning....

Flow Motion · 26-05-2017 12:23pm

This rejuvenation of the Apple Market is a fantastic thing for the city. Only the true luddites and begrudgers would disagree. It will totally transform the area and peoples perceptions of 'Waterford'. Can we not see that the city is in the midst of a true renaissance? For so long we have been starved of development and these type of projects begin the process of changing the feel of the place. Look at the Viking Triangle. Look at Henrietta Street. Lady Lane and Colbeck St are currently being overhauled. The sheds and silo industrial wasteland of the North Quays has vanished. The Ardee will soon be a 5* jewel. Yes there is much to do but we are getting there. We have much to be proud of. Having travelled the world a lot I still feel that Waterford is the most European of the Irish cities. It almost has a Scandanavian feel to it. Certainly looking over from the Ferrybank side the quayside has shades of a mini Stockholm.
But back to the Apple Market. Change is good. What was there a few months ago? Dingy paving, a large tree, taxi rank, a clock that didnt work, cars/buses passing up and down (part of the way!). It has been like that for 20 years. I cant wait to see the finished result.
Plus I hope the WCCC paln to extend the rejuvenation and make Spring Garden Alley the natural link between the Apple Mkt and the Viking Triangle.

Deiseen · 26-05-2017 12:31pm

Flow Motion wrote: »

This rejuvenation of the Apple Market is a fantastic thing for the city. Only the true luddites and begrudgers would disagree. It will totally transform the area and peoples perceptions of 'Waterford'. Can we not see that the city is in the midst of a true renaissance? For so long we have been starved of development and these type of projects begin the process of changing the feel of the place. Look at the Viking Triangle. Look at Henrietta Street. Lady Lane and Colbeck St are currently being overhauled. The sheds and silo industrial wasteland of the North Quays has vanished. The Ardee will soon be a 5* jewel. Yes there is much to do but we are getting there. We have much to be proud of. Having travelled the world a lot I still feel that Waterford is the most European of the Irish cities. It almost has a Scandanavian feel to it. Certainly looking over from the Ferrybank side the quayside has shades of a mini Stockholm.
But back to the Apple Market. Change is good. What was there a few months ago? Dingy paving, a large tree, taxi rank, a clock that didnt work, cars/buses passing up and down (part of the way!). It has been like that for 20 years. I cant wait to see the finished result.
Plus I hope the WCCC paln to extend the rejuvenation and make Spring Garden Alley the natural link between the Apple Mkt and the Viking Triangle.

Not to mention the viking wall that goes through Spring Garden alley.

Has work already begun on lady lane and Colbeck street?

JohnC. · 26-05-2017 1:12pm

They've been working on Lady Lane/Colbeck for a while. They seem to be doing Lady Lane in sections and the current section is partly paved. There was a lot of work with whatever drains or utilities are under the road before they started doing the actual surface. That's what they're at on Colbeck Street now too. One side of the road seems to have the under-surface work done and they're doing the other side now.

Deiseen · 26-05-2017 1:14pm

JohnC. wrote: »

They've been working on Lady Lane/Colbeck for a while. They seem to be doing Lady Lane in sections and the current section is partly paved. There was a lot of work with whatever drains or utilities are under the road before they started doing the actual surface. That's what they're at on Colbeck Street now too. One side of the road seems to have the under-surface work done and they're doing the other side now.

Ah ok, any idea of how it's going to look or is it still pretty much a building site?

Max Powers · 26-05-2017 1:46pm

Deiseen wrote: »

Ah ok, any idea of how it's going to look or is it still pretty much a building site?

I walked down John st way there couple weekends ago and the amount of services in the excavated ground near abrakebabra was crazy, must be a nightmare.

Finnbar01 · 26-05-2017 2:05pm

This canopy construction will be the best thing ever for homeless junkies.

potatohouse · 26-05-2017 3:51pm

Finnbar01 wrote: »

This canopy construction will be the best thing ever for homeless junkies.

Deiseen · 28-05-2017 12:01pm

Guys, has anyone got any recent photos of this? I think the ones above from facebook are a few weeks old now..

debok · 28-05-2017 12:58pm

Deiseen wrote: »

Guys, has anyone got any recent photos of this? I think the ones above from facebook are a few weeks old now..

It looked like that during the week. Think twas Tuesday i was in there and it looked like photos look

sillysocks · 28-05-2017 2:33pm

Deiseen wrote: »

Guys, has anyone got any recent photos of this? I think the ones above from facebook are a few weeks old now..

Took this last night. Looking forward to seeing it finished. The whole area looks much bigger and the paving etc looks like it'll be lovely but I was very surprised at the state of the paths down the side by Bodega/Burzza. They're awful, how people aren't falling every day never mind after a drink at night I don't know! Must be awful for the businesses there but I'm guessing they'll have a huge benefit once it's finished so worth putting up with the pain now.

Apple Market Roof/canopy?

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