Dairy chit chat II

thisyear · 10-05-2017 02:52PM

einn32 wrote: »

What about zg being used where cows are walking1km to milking shed? Would it make sense if you take labour in walking them in, lameness, milk loss.

Irish weather has a huge impact on grazing. How many days in the year do we have soaked wet grass compared to Nz?

I lived in NZ years ago and worked on a 1000cow operation. The paddocks were 12ha in size and the walk from the back of the paddock to the roadway was 600m alone! Longest walk was 2.3KM. Cows averaged 410Kgs MS with only input Silage on the shoulders.

Keepgrowing · 11-05-2017 07:28PM

mahoney_j wrote: »

Literally just finished plumbing in new water system here ,all finished Friday ,gone from
3/4 inch pipe up farm to 1.5 inch loop with inch coming up to fast flow valves on 220 gallon troughs ,today was first day the whole system was fully pressurised and the difference is just massive .i have also put in a 400 gallon trough just up from parlour before cows head to paddocks ,takes pressure off on days like today when there is a big thirst on cows

New farm had major water issues. 1/5 inch pipe throughout, not worth a stocking.
Luckily only had to buy 3 * 300 gallon tanks Last tank installed today.
2 km of pipe mole ploughed in Tues and Wed, plumbed and live yesterday.

Keepgrowing · 11-05-2017 08:46PM

Dwag wrote: »

Ah no chief.

I went to the Champs Élysée yesterday expecting to see a phalanx of goose stepping, jackbooted Germans triumphantly marching along, with Frau Merkel and M.Junker gracefully accepting the keys to the palace...not so.
Weird to see a nation capitulate so easily and not a shot fired...

Tbf they have a history of capitulation, took less than a week 70 odd yrs ago

Dwag · 11-05-2017 09:07PM

Keepgrowing wrote: »

Tbf they have a history of capitulation, took less than a week 70 odd yrs ago

Clarkson's surrender monkeys...!

(Still I'd hope that they'd give the finger if the troika came knocking at the doors of the Bercy.)

Had more to do with the central bank choosing the franc over the state at the time...

Dwag · 11-05-2017 09:35PM

60mm!!...lucky basterds!

Word of caution. There will be a huge uptake of N with that rain and good soil temps, that could lead to a lot of repeats...

pedigree 6 · 11-05-2017 09:53PM

Dwag wrote: »

60mm!!...lucky basterds!

Word of caution. There will be a huge uptake of N with that rain and good soil temps, that could lead to a lot of repeats...

Milk urea test just went to 13 on load yesterday.
I've never seen it go so low before.

As you say though expect that to rise now with the rain.

Dwag · 11-05-2017 10:06PM

pedigree 6 wrote: »

Milk urea test just went to 13 on load yesterday.
I've never seen it go so low before.

As you say though expect that to rise now with the rain.

Alarm bells should be ringing.
At 13 your cows are seriously short on protein. Grass quality obviously nosedived. I wouldn't be surprised if solids take a hit. Post results when you have them please.
The issue now is the rapid rise of soluble protein that will come with the huge uptake of nitrogen, and the rumen taking a fair kick. Treat accordingly.

I can fairly confidently predict that your cows will shoot the moon shortly...it's the one thing that p!sses me off about grass, there's just no consistency.

pedigree 6 · 11-05-2017 10:27PM

Dwag wrote: »

Alarm bells should be ringing.
At 13 your cows are seriously short on protein. Grass quality obviously nosedived. I wouldn't be surprised if solids take a hit. Post results when you have them please.
The issue now is the rapid rise of soluble protein that will come with the huge uptake of nitrogen, and the rumen taking a fair kick. Treat accordingly.

I can fairly confidently predict that your cows will shoot the moon shortly...it's the one thing that p!sses me off about grass, there's just no consistency.

No stem at all in the grass and they're eating it to the boards.

But it just seems that the nitrogen wasn't going into the grass as you could see some granules from being spread 3weeks before.

Milk test average 33.5 litres/ cow.
Bfat 3.57
Pr 3.31

The test previous to this 2 days ago was milk urea 20 and protein 3.37.

I haven't spread any sulphur yet and will wait to see what happens first.

(I doubt I'm the only one here that M.U has fallen down. Perhaps I am?)

Edit :4kgs of 14% pr nut also.

awaywithyou · 11-05-2017 11:36PM

Bill o'keeffe must not have had a great weekend....!!!

alps · 12-05-2017 07:14AM

awaywithyou wrote: »

Bill o'keeffe must not have had a great weekend....!!!

Anyone know where to get one of those Kennedy Calculators?

GrasstoMilk · 12-05-2017 07:20AM

Soil temp at 6 am. Got some rain over night.

oxjkqg · 12-05-2017 07:58AM

awaywithyou wrote: »

Bill o'keeffe must not have had a great weekend....!!!

Most random post i ever saw written in the journal, some1 ruffled his feathers!? :pac:

freedominacup · 12-05-2017 08:18AM

alps wrote: »

Anyone know where to get one of those Kennedy Calculators?

Anyone know how to make glanbia use one of them when they're working out milk price?

The part time boy · 12-05-2017 09:04AM

oxjkqg wrote: »

awaywithyou wrote: »

Bill o'keeffe must not have had a great weekend....!!!

Most random post i ever saw written in the journal, some1 ruffled his feathers!? :pac:

Anyone want to fill in The non journal readers ?

jaymla627 · 12-05-2017 09:09AM

oxjkqg wrote: »

Most random post i ever saw written in the journal, some1 ruffled his feathers!? :pac:

Was very refreshing to see jk get called out on the bulls##t that he came out with in his article two weeks ago, it might of been written in jest but their wasn't one piece of information in his story that wasn't accurate, quiet surprising the farmers journal put it to print as it made some skit of jk

mahoney_j · 12-05-2017 09:41AM

jaymla627 wrote: »

Was very refreshing to see jk get called out on the bulls##t that he came out with in his article two weeks ago, it might of been written in jest but their wasn't one piece of information in his story that wasn't accurate, quiet surprising the farmers journal put it to print as it made some skit of jk

Hopefully he'll still be there in 2 weeks ,I used to love reading that guy from Meath a few years back that used to write a dairy column in the farming indo on Tuesdays ,he wrote something similar and was cut

boggerman1 · 12-05-2017 10:21AM

Fair play to bill o'keefee for calling out the bull**** written by kennedy.all this crap about how great they are in greenfield would drive lads wrong if the swallowed it hook,line and sinker.it seems to me that if u still have a pure freisin or holstein herd u are in the stone age.a lad asked me recently why i dont use jersey,kiwi or any other baxtard breed on my cows.i replied if i want to ruin what i have i will use them.its taken me 20 yrs to get the herd i have at the minute averaging 6400 litres a yr and not far off of 500 kg milk solids.hope bill is not culled from the comic.

oxjkqg · 12-05-2017 10:54AM

The part time boy wrote: »

Anyone want to fill in The non journal readers ?

Bill just wrote an article in the journal this week which needs to be read to be appreciated. I am sure the IFJ editor would not have published if he was not happy to

GrasstoMilk · 12-05-2017 10:55AM

Jack is the man under Justin and proof reads the entire journal before it goes to press so I'm 99% sure he knows what it contains.

Sure he could have stopped it going to print but he didn't.

I'd agree the figures were a bit skewed and they should have been put over the total amount of cows to be milked this year and not the average number they milked for march was 150

Sure it'll sell a few more copies if nothing else

blackdog1 · 12-05-2017 11:10AM

GrasstoMilk wrote:

Jack is the man under Justin and proof reads the entire journal before it goes to press so I'm 99% sure he knows what it contains.

Good article by Bill but I'm kinda lost as I didn't read the article by Jack so can someone put up a summary of jacks article for the uneducated.

freedominacup · 12-05-2017 11:34AM

blackdog1 wrote: »

Good article by Bill but I'm kinda lost as I didn't read the article by Jack so can someone put up a summary of jacks article for the uneducated.

To sum it up. Think of a number, double it, take away av cover per cow, mutiply it by kg/pr/cow for the month and multiply that by bf %, add the difference between last year's Mar milk price and this year's divide this by the number of heifers at the contract rearers. This will give you a figure of €85/cow in extra earnings.

alps · 12-05-2017 11:40AM

blackdog1 wrote: »

Good article by Bill but I'm kinda lost as I didn't read the article by Jack so can someone put up a summary of jacks article for the uneducated.

Jacks article claimed that the greenfield farm produced €50 more milk per cow than the average glanbia farmer during the month of March, and were fed an average of €35 less on concentrate for the same month....that totalling €85 difference per cow between greenfield and paddy average.

But the calculator seems to have been faulty because if you divide the milk output of €70000 between all the cows on the farm it only gives €189 per cow for the month.

Do your own figures....most commercial herds will have produced well over €200 for all cows on the farm...some over €250( even br friesian) .

It was just a calculator fault....dont believe it happened before

mahoney_j · 12-05-2017 12:31PM

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

Jack is the man under Justin and proof reads the entire journal before it goes to press so I'm 99% sure he knows what it contains.

Sure he could have stopped it going to print but he didn't.

I'd agree the figures were a bit skewed and they should have been put over the total amount of cows to be milked this year and not the average number they milked for march was 150

Sure it'll sell a few more copies if nothing else

A bit skewed ........jack one trick pony kennedy and his buddy mr Brennan have to be the most biased ,one dimensional dairy advisor ???????journos out there

Timmaay · 12-05-2017 12:45PM

Sweet beautiful rain!!

freedominacup · 12-05-2017 12:56PM

Timmaay wrote: »

Sweet beautiful rain!!

I'm a bit like the contrary camel in the sminky short. I'll get enough of it soon, after that I'll be bitching again.

GrasstoMilk · 12-05-2017 01:35PM

mahoney_j wrote: »

A bit skewed ........jack one trick pony kennedy and his buddy mr Brennan have to be the most biased ,one dimensional dairy advisor ???????journos out there

Personally I don't agree. They do lots of articles on a lot of different systems. Take what ever you want out of each.
He has said recently he's asked about seeing Mr tinturs operation and figures but got no reply ðŸ€” They like to stick to the basics which everyone should try there best to be good at

mf240 · 12-05-2017 02:18PM

mahoney_j · 12-05-2017 03:09PM

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

Personally I don't agree. They do lots of articles on a lot of different systems. Take what ever you want out of each.
He has said recently he's asked about seeing Mr tinturs operation and figures but got no reply ðŸ€” They like to stick to the basics which everyone should try there best to be good at

If he said that he's lying ,if u read there articles they are so biased and one sided towards x breds ,no meal no z grazing etc maby they just don't process the skill set to try something different or give advice on something other than that .the odd token article is thrown in re higher production systems but they seem disinterested

Keepgrowing · 12-05-2017 03:21PM

Can someone post a link to the two articles?

mahoney_j · 12-05-2017 03:33PM

Keepgrowing wrote: »

Can someone post a link to the two articles?

Go buy the journal u cheap skate !!!!!!,not savy enough to post link

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