NARGC

Grizzly 45 · 09-05-2017 03:57PM

Am No accountant.But those figures are weird as hell.

2012 €766 K
2013 €7K
WTF happened in a year to lose over 759K????

2014 €8K

2015 €1,201K [Is this figure correct?? 1million two hundred and one thousand?]

2016 -€148K [Is this correct going by the minus sign,they are on hundred and fourty eight thousand in the red???]

Total €1,834K???

Either NARGC has the most recklessly criminally incompetnt accountants who dabble in drug dealing on an industrial scale to have a set of accounts like that:eek:,or the figures are wrong or taken out of context. I seriously hope it's the latter.

berettaman · 09-05-2017 04:19PM

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Am No accountant.But those figures are weird as hell.

2012 â‚¬766 K
2013 â‚¬7K
WTF happened in a year to lose over 759K????

2014 â‚¬8K

2015 â‚¬1,201K [Is this figure correct?? 1million two hundred and one thousand?]

2016 -â‚¬148K [Is this correct going by the minus sign,they are on hundred and fourty eight thousand in the red???]

Total â‚¬1,834K???

Either NARGC has the most recklessly criminally incompetnt accountants who dabble in drug dealing on an industrial scale to have a set of accounts like that:eek:,or the figures are wrong or taken out of context. I seriously hope it's the latter.

It is the latter I would say.

2012-legal fees were â‚¬762K, that is in the accounts. This was the cost of successful legal cases. Fees were paid pending a receipt of costs from the state.

2013 and 2014 were low but remember after 2012 legal fees were a hot topic within the Association so it stands to reason.

Y/E 2015 legal fees were â‚¬200K plus a provision for a â‚¬1 million more for additional legal fees claimed by former solicitor (which was challenged by the Association) but still had to be provided for. Around this time we have a sort of Regime Change going on.

Y/E 2016 Legal fees were about â‚¬377K, plus settlement of â‚¬475K LESS the provision of â‚¬1million being reversed. This leaves -â‚¬148K
This is normal accountancy practice and it is normal to have reversal of provisions etc.

All this is in conjunction with audited accounts and is above board.
The quantity is correct.

The WHY is another matter.

You can see why a change had to happen and a refocussing of the Association had to occur.

cavan shooter · 09-05-2017 06:24PM

A couple of points:
1. If that's the cost of winning cases, remind me never to take one on that I may loose. Its quite obviously that winning cases we should never have been taken, and paying handsomely by the looks of it.
2. I remember a certain man at an AGM in Cavan (yes I was there) free lunch.......NOT ....saying it would cost €1800 for an appeal to the courts. I remember saying to myself "thats a great way of controlling Firearms by making it beyond the affordability of a pleb to be able to pay for it"
3. Have the lads reeled in the spending now as in any cases for AK47 and rocket launchers out there that lads really need and will go to court over and never get

Perfectstorm · 17-05-2017 06:55AM

No substantial change to the Cork executive is what I heard. .a new vice chair but the chairman was reelected

deeksofdoom · 18-05-2017 10:39PM

Perfectstorm wrote: »

No substantial change to the Cork executive is what I heard. .a new vice chair but the chairman was reelected

The crowd going for election were worse than the crowd in power at the moment.

cavan shooter · 18-05-2017 10:49PM

deeksofdoom wrote: »

The crowd going for election were worse than the crowd in power at the moment.

feel for ye....

Backbarrel · 25-05-2017 08:57AM

So I made it to Tullamore for the meeting last Saturday..

Some interesting points:

1 Layout of meeting was ****e but couldn't be helped.
2. A lot of work being done to stop this night time shooting ban..though very few contributors from the floor..
3. I think the Hon Treasurer is being "targeted" by a certain element but in fairness, the accounts are solid and he seems well able to answer questions..

cavan shooter · 25-05-2017 01:36PM

Yeah heard it was civil(ish)..any more on the Sports Coalition of vested interests. I heard one of our fellas laid it on the line regarding NARGC involvement with that shower.

wirehairmax · 25-05-2017 01:56PM

cavan shooter wrote: »

Yeah heard it was civil(ish)..any more on the Sports Coalition of vested interests. I heard one of our fellas laid it on the line regarding NARGC involvement with that shower.

There hasn't been a peep out of them in the last 3 weeks, nothing on facebook, no statements on their website. Usually whenever the NARGC release a statement, they come back with a dirty dig or something antagonising or imflammatory. But this time nothing, makes you wonder whether they realise they that they misjudged the mood and the anger that these proposals would bring. But then again, knowing who's involved, they're too ignorant and thick to consider that and too greedy to let it go. The silence is now worrying me.
Snakes and cowards is too good a description for them.

cavan shooter · 25-05-2017 02:12PM

They haven't gone away you know....

wirehairmax · 25-05-2017 02:15PM

cavan shooter wrote: »

They haven't gone away you know....

And thats whats worrying me:mad:

Perfectstorm · 25-05-2017 02:55PM

It was a right quick gb meeting..2hrs!!

Delegates ask questions of the treasurer and the rest to ensure good governance. I would be more concerned if no one was asking questions that a few asking hard ones. The fact the members of the exec keep saying the treasurer won't let them at the purse strings probably focuses attention on him

I amnt sure how solid the accounts are. The association has loads of money but it is still spending like it is limitless.

It will need to cut back further given today's resignation and the implications for the main court battle...

cavan shooter · 25-05-2017 02:59PM

Perfectstorm wrote: »

It was a right quick gb meeting..2hrs!!

Delegates ask questions of the treasurer and the rest to ensure good governance. I would be more concerned if no one was asking questions that a few asking hard ones. The fact the members of the exec keep saying the treasurer won't let them at the purse strings probably focuses attention on him

I amnt sure how solid the accounts are. The association has loads of money but it is still spending like it is limitless.

It will need to cut back further given today's resignation and the implications for the main court battle...

Sooner all those cases are over with the better....get down to only being involved in shooting stuff.

wirehairmax · 25-05-2017 03:01PM

Perfectstorm wrote: »

It was a right quick gb meeting..2hrs!!

Delegates ask questions of the treasurer and the rest to ensure good governance. I would be more concerned if no one was asking questions that a few asking hard ones. The fact the members of the exec keep saying the treasurer won't let them at the purse strings probably focuses attention on him

I amnt sure how solid the accounts are. The association has loads of money but it is still spending like it is limitless.

It will need to cut back further given today's resignation and the implications for the main court battle...

So its true then? He's gone, resigned??

cavan shooter · 25-05-2017 03:05PM

wirehairmax wrote: »

So its true then? He's gone, resigned??

That's a pity, He did the NARGC some service, (a bit like CJ/Othello et al) He was a bit like Marmite, maybe it was time for him to leave the stage, things turned sour towards the end.

Perfectstorm · 25-05-2017 04:33PM

That's what I hear..I suppose serve out his notice like any employment so going rather than gone. ...

Perfectstorm · 25-05-2017 04:34PM

cavan shooter wrote: »

That's a pity, He did the NARGC some service, (a bit like CJ/Othello et al) He was a bit like Marmite, maybe it was time for him to leave the stage, things turned sour towards the end.

It is a sour note at the end of any career. .Hopefully he will enjoy retirement.

Backbarrel · 26-05-2017 03:14PM

Perfectstorm wrote: »

It was a right quick gb meeting..2hrs!!

Delegates ask questions of the treasurer and the rest to ensure good governance. I would be more concerned if no one was asking questions that a few asking hard ones. The fact the members of the exec keep saying the treasurer won't let them at the purse strings probably focuses attention on him

I amnt sure how solid the accounts are. The association has loads of money but it is still spending like it is limitless.

It will need to cut back further given today's resignation and the implications for the main court battle...

I agree, it is great to have people asking questions, it is great for the Association. The Hon. Treasurer is a Chartered Accountant and well able to discuss the figures of the Association.

I would say is that some of the people asking questions were very quiet in previous years when Money was being spent like water.

I suppose the climate at the time wasn't suitable for those that wanted to ask questions..

How solid are the accounts? I am no accountant but there is a major turnaround in the accounts, like from -400K last year to +400K this year.

I mean what more can he do?

As his predecessor pointed out on Saturday, he is mandated by the Gov body to spend on certain things..

If you need change then propose a reduction in bird subsidy...go on, I dare ya!:D

cavan shooter · 26-05-2017 05:00PM

Backbarrel wrote:

If you need change then propose a reduction in bird subsidy...go on, I dare ya!

I'll say it stop spending money on bird subsidy to feed foxes. Spend the money on vermin program.

Grizzly 45 · 26-05-2017 10:21PM

Perfectstorm wrote: »

It is a sour note at the end of any career. .Hopefully he will enjoy retirement.

Happens all the time when somebody is the big chief for too long in any organisation.

cavan shooter · 27-05-2017 09:02AM

Grizzly 45 wrote:

Happens all the time when somebody is the big chief for too long in any organisation.

I disagree in so far as it happens all the time. Directors take organisations so far and then they move on. The average life span (Employment in a Company) for a Marketing Director is 5 years.

I agree about the Big Chief comment.

Grizzly 45 · 27-05-2017 11:28AM

Politics and family run business are plauged with it.Especially here.

Perfectstorm · 28-05-2017 09:33AM

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Happens all the time when somebody is the big chief for too long in any organisation.

True if happens often enough that we can all think of other examples.
I assume the other employee will slot in there and someone else be recruited to replace him on the insurance side.

cavan shooter · 28-05-2017 10:09AM

Perfectstorm wrote:

True if happens often enough that we can all think of other examples. I assume the other employee will slot in there and someone else be recruited to replace him on the insurance side.

I hope not he does a good job where he is.
Not so sure we need another "National Director"

Perfectstorm · 30-05-2017 01:25PM

cavan shooter wrote: »

I hope not he does a good job where he is.
Not so sure we need another "National Director"

In my view someone is needed to handle the daily business and the attendance at meetings with the nwps,garda etc.

All people on the executive are there in a voluntary capacity and may not have the time to attend to all aspects in a way that provides full coverage for members.

Just so long as the person is not paid an excessive salary....

grassroot1 · 31-05-2017 09:49PM

Perfectstorm wrote: »

In my view someone is needed to handle the daily business and the attendance at meetings with the nwps,garda etc.

All people on the executive are there in a voluntary capacity and may not have the time to attend to all aspects in a way that provides full coverage for members.

Just so long as the person is not paid an excessive salary....

and is on a 3 year contract

Grizzly 45 · 31-05-2017 11:24PM

And limited to 3 terms of office.;)

cavan shooter · 01-06-2017 08:51AM

Let the National Chairman of the day and the executive do it. Im not being smart but many other organisations do it that way.
Why do we need a full time person. If you need lobbying hire a lobbiest?

cavan shooter · 01-06-2017 06:03PM

Grizzly 45 wrote:

And limited to 3 terms of office.

I don't think that would work.

Grizzly 45 · 01-06-2017 09:44PM

Never know until you ask.:)

Why do we need a full time person. If you need lobbying hire a lobbiest?

A good lobbyist would cost you more in six weeks work than the chairman's salary.
The thought of giving some slimy creep like Haughy's little bitch, Mara who has trousered enough in the times they were in power and now want more money to maybe clean up the crap they made while in power should repulse anyone.

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