Kilkenny GAA Thread Part 2 MOD NOTE POST 1*

brookville · 08-05-2017 04:36PM

Village87 wrote: »

Was in at the Danesfort v Bennetsbridge game yesterday. Goals proved the decisive factor yesterday. Danesfort coudnt get back in the game yesterday after conceding 3 goals. Paul Murphy was poor again yesterday, was hoping to see an improvement in form from him. Other county players did ok

He wasn't to bad against clara but he definitely has being struggling for form hopefully he'll improve soon.
Just on the u21 match in a few weeks it's a must win game really for us.hopefully the mullens will be back along with leahy and andy gaffney who didn't play at the wknd.good to see scanlon and john walsh hurling well for their clubs.kevin farrell and conor delaney also hurling well

DickoHara · 08-05-2017 06:29PM

droppingball wrote: »

Thoughts on how few of county players played at the weekend:

TJ hurled well, touch was top class as always, ballyhale were very reliant on him

Joey looked more comfortable at centre back and half back and hurled well

Colin Fennelly seemed to be floating around and wasn't massively involved

Lester came on and played well, worked hard as always and picked off a lovely score

Conor o Shea hurled half back and was solid without tearing it up

Shane Pender was also solid and was marking tj for most of game

Jonjo Farrell was double marked by Freshford but still hurled well, scored an excellent goal but if striking was better could have scored about 2-5

James Maher looked Of the pace, ran into contact a lot and got turned over a good bit, seems selfish on the ball

Cillian Buckley had a tough battle with Larkin in the first half and Luke scanlon in the second but probably broke even overall. Scanlon caused a good few problems travelling down the middle.

Evan Cody did OK but will need to improve to get in the shake up

Richie Hogan got some great scores but overall Enda Morrissey won that battle for me, is he in the senior panel if not he should be as he was very impressive.

Jason cleere looks great on the ball and uses it extremely well just hope he can command the game more.

Liam Blanchfield didn't get on much ball and had little influence

Rob Lennon seemed sharper coming out to the ball than I had seen him before but I would be worried about him being turned against top class full forwards.

Paul Murphy first touch seemed very poor and that is not the first time lately.

Other notable mentions from games I attended for Liam Ryan from Clara, John Donnelly for ttown, Simon Rafter from freshford, Cathal o Neill second half for danesfort who all hurled well.

James Maher wont be on the County panel the way he hurled the other night as you said very selfish they have a few good club hurlers Freshford but a few of there forwards wouldn't break eggs. JJ Farrel took his goal well he showed up a serious weakness that Brian Kennedy has.

Village87 · 08-05-2017 08:24PM

Other Kilkenny players were dropped for showing the form of Paul Murphy over the last 10 years, if this was any other Kilkenny team his place would be gone. Very poor in the league and carrying the form to club. His striking and first touch are way off.

Rasputin11 · 08-05-2017 09:10PM

Village87 wrote: »

Other Kilkenny players were dropped for showing the form of Paul Murphy over the last 10 years, if this was any other Kilkenny team his place would be gone. Very poor in the league and carrying the form to club. His striking and first touch are way off.

Breheny picked him on his Team of the League!! I'd agree with your view of his league campaign, from the games that I watched him play. Murphy has played to such a standard in his Kilkenny career that a dip in form will always be more noticeable.

brookville · 08-05-2017 09:33PM

Murphy has being very consistent since making his debut in 11.he along with others were cleaned out last september,struggled during the league at 6 and caught for 2 goals in thurles at number 2.Hopefully he'll rediscover his previous form for the championship in what will be a new look full back line.

blackcard · 08-05-2017 09:33PM

I think that there are only five players that you could say are certainties to start against Wexford.
Eoin Murphy, Cillian Buckley, Conor Fogarty, TJ Reid and Richie Hogan. There are three probables. Paul Murphy, Walter Walsh and Colin Fennelly. After that, it is pure guesswork.

brookville · 08-05-2017 10:04PM

blackcard wrote: »

I think that there are only five players that you could say are certainties to start against Wexford.
Eoin Murphy, Cillian Buckley, Conor Fogarty, TJ Reid and Richie Hogan. There are three probables. Paul Murphy, Walter Walsh and Colin Fennelly. After that, it is pure guesswork.

Dont think we have the panel to be dropping a current all star or a lad who has had a bad league but i do agree theres places up for grabs the team I see and spots available
Murphy
Murphy/walsh/?
?/?/buckley
Fogarty/?
Tj/richie/walter
Blanchfield/colin/?
I think number 4/5 and 6 are up for grabs which is probably in itself worrying.
Spot in mf up for grabs
I think 4 of the six forwards will pick themselves and maybe blanch will be the 5th
I think maybe lennon or oshea could be at 4 but both shocking slow
I think cleere will be five and joyce 6
Lester could be mf
If alwyard is fit he'll start

blackcard · 08-05-2017 11:04PM

brookville wrote: »

blackcard wrote: »

I think that there are only five players that you could say are certainties to start against Wexford.
Eoin Murphy, Cillian Buckley, Conor Fogarty, TJ Reid and Richie Hogan. There are three probables. Paul Murphy, Walter Walsh and Colin Fennelly. After that, it is pure guesswork.

Dont think we have the panel to be dropping a current all star or a lad who has had a bad league but i do agree theres places up for grabs the team I see and spots available
Murphy
Murphy/walsh/?
?/?/buckley
Fogarty/?
Tj/richie/walter
Blanchfield/colin/?
I think number 4/5 and 6 are up for grabs which is probably in itself worrying.
Spot in mf up for grabs
I think 4 of the six forwards will pick themselves and maybe blanch will be the 5th
I think maybe lennon or oshea could be at 4 but both shocking slow
I think cleere will be five and joyce 6
Lester could be mf
If alwyard is fit he'll start

I was excluding Padraig Walsh on the basis that he is injured and therefore not certain to play. I don't think Aylward will have enough time.

brookville · 09-05-2017 07:12AM

blackcard wrote: »

I was excluding Padraig Walsh on the basis that he is injured and therefore not certain to play. I don't think Aylward will have enough time.

Maybe your right on both players not being ready if their not id say we're in trouble but I think both will be back in just hope there's no fresh injuries in the next few weeks

Village87 · 09-05-2017 09:47AM

Walter Walsh is a head of Richie Hogan in the pecking order under Cody anyway. Paul Murphy and Conor Fogarty will start too, neither form is great tho and would prob be struggling to make the team in other years, which is worrying.

Kilkenny are struggling for backs.

brookville · 09-05-2017 01:06PM

Village87 wrote: »

Walter Walsh is a head of Richie Hogan in the pecking order under Cody anyway. Paul Murphy and Conor Fogarty will start too, neither form is great tho and would prob be struggling to make the team in other years, which is worrying.

Kilkenny are struggling for backs.

I agree with this but his after trying cody,o shea,deegan and cleere at different stages and 3 out of the four have had good moments along with swapping buckley and fogarty.I think pender an joey and murphy are after taking a confidence blow from last september.hopefully padraig can bring some stability when his fit but he'll be a big loss at 5

robwen · 09-05-2017 01:43PM

Padraig Walsh at full back kinda reminds me of when Tipp stuck Padraic Maher back there hope it works out better

kk.man · 09-05-2017 02:32PM

robwen wrote: »

Padraig Walsh at full back kinda reminds me of when Tipp stuck Padraic Maher back there hope it works out better

We did the same to JJ...and in my opinion was the best full back in the great teams era.

DickoHara · 09-05-2017 07:00PM

Any word on the under twenty ones there goalie looked good Saturday night for St lachtains , is there match in nowlan park or away.

brookville · 09-05-2017 07:50PM

DickoHara wrote: »

Any word on the under twenty ones there goalie looked good Saturday night for St lachtains , is there match in nowlan park or away.

U21 match at home,hopefully it'll be a help but dublin will also be strong with some of their players getting game time during the league,we'll be looking to the likes of delaney, cleere,lyng,leahy,morrissey blanchfield and john walsh all in with the seniors at different times and all playing at a high club level.On paper these are the 2 best teams in Leinster and with northern opposition in the semi final it could be a great chance of getting to an all ireland.

DickoHara · 09-05-2017 09:35PM

brookville wrote: »

U21 match at home,hopefully it'll be a help but dublin will also be strong with some of their players getting game time during the league,we'll be looking to the likes of delaney, cleere,lyng,leahy,morrissey blanchfield and john walsh all in with the seniors at different times and all playing at a high club level.On paper these are the 2 best teams in Leinster and with northern opposition in the semi final it could be a great chance of getting to an all ireland.

That match is nearly as important than the 2006 all Ireland v Cork.

brookville · 09-05-2017 09:43PM

DickoHara wrote: »

That match is nearly as important than the 2006 all Ireland v Cork.

Definitely the most important u21 match of the last few years

Topcat32 · 09-05-2017 10:19PM

Village87 wrote: »

Walter Walsh is a head of Richie Hogan in the pecking order under Cody anyway. Paul Murphy and Conor Fogarty will start too, neither form is great tho and would prob be struggling to make the team in other years, which is worrying.

Kilkenny are struggling for backs.

Conor Fogarty was one of the better players in the league, I don't see anything wrong with his form, Richie Hogan was very quiet in some of the league matches and decent in others, in the matches where Richie was quiet and taken off, Walter was marginally better so it was a reasonable decision by the management

Topcat32 · 09-05-2017 10:27PM

blackcard wrote: »

I think that there are only five players that you could say are certainties to start against Wexford.
Eoin Murphy, Cillian Buckley, Conor Fogarty, TJ Reid and Richie Hogan. There are three probables. Paul Murphy, Walter Walsh and Colin Fennelly. After that, it is pure guesswork.

Id see Conor O Shea, Liam Blanchfield, Jason Cleere and Kieran Joyce falling into the probable category with the 8 listed above as certainties, very hard to know after that.

brookville · 09-05-2017 11:32PM

Topcat32 wrote: »

Id see Conor O Shea, Liam Blanchfield, Jason Cleere and Kieran Joyce falling into the probable category with the 8 listed above as certainties, very hard to know after that.

It looks like that at this stage although I wouldn't be surprised to see a surprise in a few weeks time.Hopefully kevin kelly and leahy will be back to strengthen the panel.John power pulled up with his hamstring last wknd he'll probably struggle to make the match squad on the 10th
I heard wexford currently on a warm training camp in portugal.

DickoHara · 09-05-2017 11:39PM

brookville wrote: »

It looks like that at this stage although I wouldn't be surprised to see a surprise in a few weeks time.Hopefully kevin kelly and leahy will be back to strengthen the panel.John power pulled up with his hamstring last wknd he'll probably struggle to make the match squad on the 10th
I heard wexford currently on a warm training camp in portugal.

Good week to go.

mullinr2 · 10-05-2017 10:23PM

What are our chances for the minor this year?Are we second favourites behind Tipp. It's very important we win a few underage titles over the next 3-5 years, that's including u21/20.
Underage titles are very important, don't be fooled by people saying otherwise. Our success over the last 17 years were backboned by our underage teams winning All Ireland's. Minor 03/04/08/10, U21 99/03/04/06/08.
When you look at all those underage titles from the last decade and compare it to this decade, it's some difference.

brookville · 10-05-2017 10:37PM

mullinr2 wrote: »

What are our chances for the minor this year?Are we second favourites behind Tipp. It's very important we win a few underage titles over the next 3-5 years, that's including u21/20.
Underage titles are very important, don't be fooled by people saying otherwise. Our success over the last 17 years were backboned by our underage teams winning All Ireland's. Minor 03/04/08/10, U21 99/03/04/06/08.
When you look at all those underage titles from the last decade and compare it to this decade, it's some difference.

Dont know that much bout this year's minor crop but leinster isn't that strong this year I'd expect cork to be strong this year.tipp and limerick should be decent.
Definitely pressure on the u21s to win something after the terrible last few years.

Village87 · 11-05-2017 12:55PM

Topcat32 wrote: »

Conor Fogarty was one of the better players in the league, I don't see anything wrong with his form, Richie Hogan was very quiet in some of the league matches and decent in others, in the matches where Richie was quiet and taken off, Walter was marginally better so it was a reasonable decision by the management

Conor Fogarty was only average in the league, pooe against Waterford, Jamie Barron was man of the match, also poor against Clare, very poor on the ball that day, he was moved to the half back line where he hurled ok without doing anything great.

People saying that he is a certain starter shows the decline in standard in this Kilkenny team, if i remember correctly he got the equalizing point in last years semi final draw, this disguised the fact that he was very quiet that day, Jamie Barron again dominated midfield only for Michael Fennelly that day Kilkenny were bet.
In the replay he was moved to centre back, he was cleaned out of it by Austin Gleeson, again had a very poor game.

When we needed a big game from him in the All Ireland with Fennelly out, he was barely seen. The Jury is very much out about Conor Fogarty for me. To say he is a certain starter shows the drop in standard in the Kilkenny panel.

I remember games where Micahel Fennelly, Cha and Michael Rice were all taking turns being dropped based on performances. Lads like Comnor Fogarty and Paul Murphy dont get the same treatment hence the drop in standard because they dont feel the competition that previous players felt

unrealtime · 11-05-2017 01:15PM

I think that our minors and under-21s will both make the final this year

danganabu · 11-05-2017 04:39PM

mullinr2 wrote: »

What are our chances for the minor this year?Are we second favourites behind Tipp.

Cork very much the favourites in Munster you would think but as we all know minors can be terribly unpredictable and inconsistent.

DickoHara · 12-05-2017 12:48AM

Village87 wrote: »

Conor Fogarty was only average in the league, pooe against Waterford, Jamie Barron was man of the match, also poor against Clare, very poor on the ball that day, he was moved to the half back line where he hurled ok without doing anything great.

People saying that he is a certain starter shows the decline in standard in this Kilkenny team, if i remember correctly he got the equalizing point in last years semi final draw, this disguised the fact that he was very quiet that day, Jamie Barron again dominated midfield only for Michael Fennelly that day Kilkenny were bet.
In the replay he was moved to centre back, he was cleaned out of it by Austin Gleeson, again had a very poor game.

When we needed a big game from him in the All Ireland with Fennelly out, he was barely seen. The Jury is very much out about Conor Fogarty for me. To say he is a certain starter shows the drop in standard in the Kilkenny panel.

I remember games where Micahel Fennelly, Cha and Michael Rice were all taking turns being dropped based on performances. Lads like Comnor Fogarty and Paul Murphy dont get the same treatment hence the drop in standard because they dont feel the competition that previous players felt

I wouldn't like to hear you when you are sick because you are the most pesamistic person I have ever heard.

Village87 · 12-05-2017 12:18PM

DickoHara wrote: »

I wouldn't like to hear you when you are sick because you are the most pesamistic person I have ever heard.

Ha ha just having detailed view at "Kilkennys certain starters" when Kilkenny were going for 4 and 5 in a row there was no certain starters apart from JJ, Tommy, Noel Hickey and Henry, they performed every day or close to it. Conor Fogarty and Paul Murphy are way off these standards

unrealtime · 12-05-2017 03:34PM

Paul Murphy andConor Fogarty are fine players - Murphy a brilliant and deserved All Star and Fogarty overlooked - and have been undermined by stupid and pointless experimentation during the league.

DickoHara · 12-05-2017 08:25PM

Village87 wrote: »

Ha ha just having detailed view at "Kilkennys certain starters" when Kilkenny were going for 4 and 5 in a row there was no certain starters apart from JJ, Tommy, Noel Hickey and Henry, they performed every day or close to it. Conor Fogarty and Paul Murphy are way off these standards

They were special it was a pleasure to see them hurling but that's gone we will never see a team from any county like them for years. I have been following kilkenny since the 1970s when Keher retired people said they will never be replaced teams come in cycles the last team spoiled all kilkenny people but reality comes back. C Fogarty Paul Murphy are great hurlers like anybody in life your going to have a valley didn't M Kavanagh couple more have bad patches Paul Murphy will rise to few more of them. As somebody from wexford said to me once when ye are going through a valley the rest get a chance to win something. No point in putting down players they need us look at the great enjoyment they have given kilkenny people worldwide,many the time I came home for a match walked through Dublin airport with delight I was in England for twenty five years and I have never missed all Ireland since my first 1973.

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