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How to improve Dublin Bus Services in 2017

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  • #212
    LXFlyer
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    Stephen15 wrote: »
    Heres a two changes I'd make

    Route 4 - Extend to Honeypark and increase Sunday service

    Route 33 - Increase freqency and run between Balbriggan/Skerries and the Airport or just it as far as Swords it seems kinda pointless sending this route into town as Balbriggan, Skerries, Rush and Lusk are served by the train going into the cc also its the longest route on the DB network and the train or the BE service is far quicker from places like Balbriggan

    Route 46a and 145 - Perhaps we could turn these routes as they are both high frequency and run mostly along QBC into a BRT style service

    Route 84/a - Extend all services to St.Vicents Hospital and put a few buses going all the way into town this would provide extra capacity on the 4 and 7 along the Rock Road since the 8 was scrapped and scrap the cherrywood diversion

    Route 184 - Extend to Brides Glen Luas and increase service at weekends to make up for a loss of the 84/a in Cherrywood



    Cancelling the 33 service to the city? You clearly have zero knowledge of the route and how it is loaded.


    The vast majority of people use it beyond Swords and the Airport towards the city. It is frequently full with standing loads before getting to Swords. Suggesting the rail service should be used ignores the fact that the Rush & Lusk rail station is not convenient for anyone living in Rush or Lusk who does not have a car, nor can anyone around between Rush & Skerries avail of it.


  • #213
    Stephen15
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    lxflyer wrote: »
    Cancelling the 33 service to the city? You clearly have zero knowledge of the route and how it is loaded.


    The vast majority of people use it beyond Swords and the Airport towards the city. It is frequently full with standing loads before getting to Swords. Suggesting the rail service should be used ignores the fact that the Rush & Lusk rail station is not convenient for anyone living in Rush or Lusk who does not have a car, nor can anyone around between Rush & Skerries avail of it.

    Then why dont they run it as Rush/Lusk to CC only. I dont have much knowledge of this route but it just looks ridiculously long. They could also increase service on the 33x.


  • #214
    LXFlyer
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    Stephen15 wrote: »
    Then why dont they run it as Rush/Lusk to CC only. I dont have much knowledge of this route but it just looks ridiculously long. They could also increase service on the 33x.

    The 33 links North County Dublin with the entire Swords Road corridor. The rail service goes nowhere near that. That's why it is needed out to Skerries.

    Terminate it at Rush or Lusk? So what about the Loughshinney area, and the housing estates along the route between Skerries and Rush? How would they get to points beyond Swords?

    Just because you think it looks "ridiculously long" doesn't mean that it is a bad thing. Making sweeping comments about particular bus routes with no knowledge of patterns of use is nonsensical.

    The 33 as I have pointed out is frequently full and standing - that alone should tell you that it is not a candidate for cancellation.

    What could happen is to re-route it along the Swords by-pass, diverting briefly to serve the stops near the Pavillions.

    But cancelling it is ludicrous.

    What could work would be an integrated 33/33a schedule, that delivers an hourly Balbriggan-Airport 33a, and an hourly Skerries-Dublin 33 service.


  • #215
    Stephen15
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    lxflyer wrote: »
    The 33 links North County Dublin with the entire Swords Road corridor. The rail service goes nowhere near that. That's why it is needed out to Skerries.

    Terminate it at Rush or Lusk? So what about the Loughshinney area, and the housing estates along the route between Skerries and Rush? How would they get to points beyond Swords?

    Just because you think it looks "ridiculously long" doesn't mean that it is a bad thing. Making sweeping comments about particular bus routes with no knowledge of patterns of use is nonsensical.

    The 33 as I have pointed out is frequently full and standing - that alone should tell you that it is not a candidate for cancellation.

    What could happen is to re-route it along the Swords by-pass, diverting briefly to serve the stops near the Pavillions.

    But cancelling it is ludicrous.

    What could work would be an integrated 33/33a schedule, that delivers an hourly Balbriggan-Airport 33a, and an hourly Skerries-Dublin 33 service.

    Tell me so if its so well used why is it not that frequent


  • #216
    LXFlyer
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    Stephen15 wrote: »
    Tell me so if its so well used why is it not that frequent
    Go out and look at the loadings yourself and familiarise yourself with the service.

    The demand exists for a direct service to points all along the R132 corridor to the city from Skerries. It doesn't need to be more than hourly off-peak, and a 30 minute frequency at peak (higher in the morning peak inbound), supplemented by the 33X at peak times to the City Centre via the Port Tunnel.

    If you don't want to believe that, that's up to you. But I suspect there would be war if what you suggested were to happen.


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  • #217
    Stephen15
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    lxflyer wrote: »
    Go out and look at the loadings yourself and familiarise yourself with the service.

    The demand exists for a direct service to points all along the R132 corridor to the city from Skerries. It doesn't need to be more than hourly off-peak, and a 30 minute frequency at peak (higher in the morning peak inbound), supplemented by the 33X at peak times to the City Centre via the Port Tunnel.

    If you don't want to believe that, that's up to you. But I suspect there would be war if what you suggested were to happen.

    To be honest I dont know an awful lot about this route. I thought it was a kind of a similar service to the 84 as it has an outer suburban fare. The 84 used to go all the way into town but then it was deemed unnecessary so they beefed up the 84x so I was thinking it might similar story with the 33 and the 33x.


  • #218
    LXFlyer
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    Stephen15 wrote: »
    To be honest I dont know an awful lot about this route. I thought it was a kind of a similar service to the 84 as it has an outer suburban fare. The 84 used to go all the way into town but then it was deemed unnecessary so they beefed up the 84x so I was thinking it might similar story with the 33 and the 33x.

    There is no comparison frankly. The 84 was curtailed due to the 145 taking pretty much most of the demand away between Bray and the city centre.

    There is active demand all day long for a direct service to/from the entire R132 corridor to the North County Dublin towns that the 33 serves. It also offers a direct route to Swords Village from the city without the diversions via the Airport and River Valley that the 41 and 41c respectively take.

    As I posted above - the ideal situation would be:

    1) Implement a core hourly 33 service from Dublin to Skerries
    2) Implement a core hourly 33a service from the Airport to Balbriggan (integrated timetable with the 33)
    3) Supplement the 33 with additional departures in morning and evening peak
    4) Remove both from Swords Main Street and route via Swords by-pass, serving the stop on R106 close to the Paviiions Shopping Centre as traffic in Swords plays havoc with the schedule (especially on Saturdays)
    5) Supplement both with the 33x (add some extra departures)


  • #219
    RobbingBandit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,403 ✭✭✭✭RobbingBandit


    Sporadic assessment of routes by passengers and cie representatives to scrutinised poor service and rediculous timekeeping, 4-6 buses in a row at certain times of the day with no bus for up to 30 minutes after this is very poor service, looking at the number 40 for this type of situations but happens on many services I am sure.


  • #220
    Tigger99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,247 ✭✭✭Tigger99


    The 25a/b suggestion is a terrible one. At peak times those buses are full by the time they reach pearse st, having them coming from ucd with all those additional passengers would be a nightmare.


  • #221
    ddx05
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44 ✭ddx05


    In terms of improving actual bus routing, I think the following changes need to happen in my area (Dublin 14/16):

    Get rid of the 75 routing around Ballinteer and send buses via Barton Road East to/from Nutgrove/Dundrum.

    Introduce the 175 and route it along most of the R113 road, but route it via Ballinteer Avenue and Sandyford Ind. Estate to the N11, then follow the 75's original routing to Dun Laoghaire

    Route certain peak 17's via Taney Road and Mount Anville Road whilst still serving UCD (The Dundrum Road and Roebuck Road are traffic nightmares during rush hour).

    Withdraw the 161. Nothing more than a fresh air carrier.


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  • #222
    DUBLINBUSGUY
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    ddx05 wrote: »

    Withdraw the 161. Nothing more than a fresh air carrier.

    As a regular passenger of this service I agree with you. However I think the following should also happen: Extend all 61's to Rockbrook.
    Operate every half hour from first bus at 5am (6am outbound) and drop to every hour from 6pm (7pm outbound) till last bus at half 11 on weekdays. Run buses every hour from 5am till midnight on Saturdays and 6am to 11pm on Sundays.


  • #223
    monument
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 14,111 Mod ✭✭✭✭monument


    Thread from 2017, so, thread closed.


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