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Ol' Donie · 29-04-2017 10:31AM

Do they ever talk about this Team 33 show?

It's mad, they refer to OTB on pretty much every sports bulletin during the day, but I only know this is on cos I stumbled across it looking for the OTB playback last night.

Winner of Sports Programme of the Year at the 2016 PPI awards, it says!

Tell me how · 29-04-2017 10:32AM

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote:

It is actually possible to have programmes where there can be interesting enjoyable debate without all the bull****, however RTE don't seem very interested in that.

I much rather the debate on RTE than most other places.

I think the style and intensity in how Dunphy and Brolly (and Hook) make their point can be forceful and dramatic but often there is a kernel of truth in their or it stimulates debate. There can be a lot of bluff but even how that is said can be entertaining.

A lot of other channels have analysts who stay at a safe temperature in every respect which leads for inoffensive yet boring mundane conversations.
It's often the way the likes of Brady, O'Rourke, Brent Pope counteract something the lads have said is the interesting part but you might not have had one without the other.

There are some very good reasonable analysts, such as Sounness, Carragher, Neville but there's a lot of vanilla out there, Redknapp, Henry, Shearer, Lee Dixon, and dare I say it, O'Driscoll.

I've always enjoyed the RTE approach but I agree it can't be all about the dramatic character.

Blanco100 · 29-04-2017 10:46AM

In fairness to Brolly he is spot on with some of his more controversial comments. He can get too personal but he does disrupt the cosy status quo that "the lads are all great" in the GAA.

Dunphy is another story altogether he is actually completely uninformed in his opinions.

Ursus Horribilis · 29-04-2017 11:06AM

I don't think anyone takes Dunphy's opinions seriously. He is an unpredictable, compelling character though and that's why he continues to be employed by TV and radio stations.

Dirty Dingus McGee · 29-04-2017 11:11AM

Blanco100 wrote: »

In fairness to Brolly he is spot on with some of his more controversial comments. He can get too personal but he does disrupt the cosy status quo that "the lads are all great" in the GAA.

Dunphy is another story altogether he is actually completely uninformed in his opinions.

His criticisms of Cooper was inaccurate as he tended to play well in those games against Tyrone.

His criticism of Sean Cavanagh was well off the mark as he got way too personal over it and the problem is he gets way too personal in a number of his criticism's.

He was in love with the way Tyrone played years ago and then decided to make a massive switch and railed against defensive football they exact same defensive football that Tyrone used for so long when he was in love with them.

He claims that teams put in too much effort yet he won an all ireland himself and obviously put in big effort to do so.

He just constantly talks out of both sides of his mouth it's just his presentation is good so people forget all the nonsense and contradictory stuff he spouts.

OldMrBrennan83 · 29-04-2017 11:13AM

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Blanco100 · 29-04-2017 11:33AM

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

His criticisms of Cooper was inaccurate as he tended to play well in those games against Tyrone.

His criticism of Sean Cavanagh was well off the mark as he got way too personal over it and the problem is he gets way too personal in a number of his criticism's.

He was in love with the way Tyrone played years ago and then decided to make a massive switch and railed against defensive football they exact same defensive football that Tyrone used for so long when he was in love with them.

He claims that teams put in too much effort yet he won an all ireland himself and obviously put in big effort to do so.

He just constantly talks out of both sides of his mouth it's just his presentation is good so people forget all the nonsense and contradictory stuff he spouts.

He's spot on with the criticism of the over the top preparation and demands in the modern era of gaa it's very different culture to the days when derry won the all Ireland.

Dirty Dingus McGee · 29-04-2017 12:05PM

Blanco100 wrote: »

He's spot on with the criticism of the over the top preparation and demands in the modern era of gaa it's very different culture to the days when derry won the all Ireland.

He's not though.

This is a natural progression.In order for what Joe wants teams have to not want to win but once you put a scoreboard up the whole idea of not wanting to win is gone and what has happened is just a natural progression and teams trying as hard as they can to win.

The teams in Brolly's era trained a hell of a lot better than teams in the 50's and 60's did.The same is happening now just it's at a higher level because preparation in all sport improves as time goes on.

humberklog · 29-04-2017 12:26PM

Pretty sure he said the paper review is on live tomorrow with Andy Lee.

OldMrBrennan83 · 29-04-2017 12:28PM

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Blanco100 · 29-04-2017 01:07PM

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

He's not though.

This is a natural progression.In order for what Joe wants teams have to not want to win but once you put a scoreboard up the whole idea of not wanting to win is gone and what has happened is just a natural progression and teams trying as hard as they can to win.

The teams in Brolly's era trained a hell of a lot better than teams in the 50's and 60's did.The same is happening now just it's at a higher level because preparation in all sport improves as time goes on.

It's an amateur sport. Having lads playing in the Carlow senior championship to sign contracts before pre season committing to train 3-5 night's a week (regardless of what part of the country they work-that is provided they work and are not student teachers/brand ambassadors) and not drink/play soccer shows the system is broken.

For an amateur sport that's not natural progression.

Is 18-21 year olds often playing 2 games in a weekend across various different codes or levels natural progression? Is it f*ck it's flogging them into the ground.

Ol' Donie · 29-04-2017 01:22PM

jam83 wrote: »

It'd be better if they canned the whole format as well. The "craic" always sounded too forced.
Self indulgent crap.

Although I do like the show as a whole, the amount of laughter seems disproportionate to the amount of actual things that are funny.

Especially in the newsround.

I know humour is always an individual thing, but to me it feels like a standard enough conversation punctuated with regular outbursts of laughter.

PeterTheNinth · 29-04-2017 01:58PM

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Biggest fight of the year on this week. Probably not that unusual for them to have him on twice this week given that. If he's over here and he's available, why not?

Arghus · 29-04-2017 03:43PM

I'm not a major follower of boxing but I always find Andy Lee refreshing to listen to. He has a very laid back style and I always feel like I've gained a bit of insight after listening to him.

OldMrBrennan83 · 29-04-2017 04:35PM

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CatFromHue · 29-04-2017 05:15PM

Andy's playing it smart as he's mixing between the two.

With all the Irish boxers going pro now there's a good role for him in the media as an analyst, an analyst who knows the pro game better than prob anyone else in Ireland.

applehunter · 30-04-2017 03:30AM

Never got round to commenting on Tuesdays show.

Got ahead of the rush and left before the Bumper at Punchestown.

Joe previewed his interview with Dublin footballer Cian O'Sullivan all the while with the focus on O'Sullivan's striking good looks. Joe and Richie McCormack were doing a back and forth from presenter to newsreader.

Then they started engaging Kevin Kilbane on the topic. "Wasn't there times you'd look across the pitch at David Beckham and think God, he's handsome", said Joe, same again re: David Ginola & Freddie Lundberg, Cannavaro.

This went on for first 1/2 hour of the show. Kevin Kilbane did not sound at all comfortable with the topic.

Apart from being ott homoerotic, if the same kind of conversation was the focus of a female sports star the whole Irish media world would have gone into ****ing meltdown.

PeterTheNinth · 30-04-2017 10:21AM

applehunter wrote: »

Joe previewed his interview with Dublin footballer Cian O'Sullivan all the while with the focus on O'Sullivan's striking good looks. Joe and Richie McCormack were doing a back and forth from presenter to newsreader.

I was gonna write exactly the same post. I have no problem with them discussing how handsome Cian O'Sullivan is. It was a bit of fun, though it went on a bit too long. But they would never have the same discussion about Sharapova, or how her looks mean that she gets a more forgiving ear when she is making apologies. They wont make discuss women's looks because they are terrified of the isolating their female fans and being called sexist by all the heroes of the left.

I think it shows you where Newstalk are, when one of the male presenters is being slagged for NOT finding another man attractive.

ballsymchugh · 30-04-2017 03:51PM

have to say, the paper review today was shyte.

40 mins discussing a boxing match last night with repeated clips from 5live with the odd interruption from the swansea game, and at about 1.40-1.45, Joe lists out some stories they want to talk about, but unfortunately they'll be stuck for time.

bollox. they'll be all about this fight throughout the week, ger will want his piece on wednesday or thursday too. if they are going to the trouble of having a paper review, then talk about the fecking papers!!

OldMrBrennan83 · 30-04-2017 05:04PM

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CatFromHue · 30-04-2017 05:51PM

The paper review has always been able to just go off on a tangent depending in the expertise of the reviewers and isn't always limited to what's in the paper.

I could be wrong but that really good episode with Gary O'Toole and Kimmage on the swimming sex scandal wasn't started due to an article in the paper.

Tell me how · 30-04-2017 07:20PM

ballsymchugh wrote:

bollox. they'll be all about this fight throughout the week, ger will want his piece on wednesday or thursday too. if they are going to the trouble of having a paper review, then talk about the fecking papers!!

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I think it's fair to say that last nights fight was pretty epic (in the world of boxing) and deserved analysis from someone as informed as Andy Lee. If they had given it 10 - 15 minutes and moved on to newspaper articles, there'd be complaints that they didn't respect the sport.

There weren't many other eye catching articles in sports news yesterday/today either unless I'm mistaking.

CatFromHue wrote:

The paper review has always been able to just go off on a tangent depending in the expertise of the reviewers and isn't always limited to what's in the paper.

Yes. That's when it's interesting. Like real life conversations.

OldMrBrennan83 · 30-04-2017 07:26PM

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Tell me how · 30-04-2017 07:28PM

Patww79 wrote:

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Nah. You're right. You shouldn't bother listening.

OldMrBrennan83 · 30-04-2017 07:40PM

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PeterTheNinth · 30-04-2017 09:06PM

That fight was probably the biggest boxing match in two years, since Tyson Fury fought Klitschko. So it was appropriate that they gave it a decent amount of time. There was not really any other big sports story that they needed to give prominence to.

dr.kenneth noisewater · 01-05-2017 09:28AM

PeterTheNinth wrote:

That fight was probably the biggest boxing match in two years, since Tyson Fury fought Klitschko. So it was appropriate that they gave it a decent amount of time. There was not really any other big sports story that they needed to give prominence to.

Very true but I don't see why they couldn't have had Andy on for a half hour to discuss the fight instead. It's not supposed to be about giving prominence to a big story, it's supposed to be about the best article's in the Sunday papers

dastardly00 · 02-05-2017 05:45AM

Just after listening to the Paper Review. Yes, the segment went off on a complete tangent and discussed an event that essentially didn't make it into the Sunday papers... but I did enjoy listening. I always enjoy listening to Andy Lee.

monstermag · 03-05-2017 10:36PM

Is it just me or was there a little tension in the studio this evening between the lads and Kevin Kilbane, he didn't seem that enthusiastic, quite for long periods, probably one eye on the match. Must be hard getting motivated for the show, I can't see him staying there long term, nice lad great insight on football matters and horse racing, but the banter with the lads is forced.

PeterTheNinth · 04-05-2017 08:36AM

I still find it baffling how they think an unintelligible phone call with Pat Nevin is broadcastable. Even Joe Duffy would be saying ... "Pat.. pat.. pat... that's a terrible line, we'll phone you back and come back to you after the break".

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