Near misses - mod warning 22/04 - see OP/post 822

Danjamin1 · 27-04-2017 09:13AM

CramCycle wrote: »

This mornign coming along the N11 at the turn for Fosters Avenue. I take the lane from the junction before as the left turn, even when quiet there is another statistic waiting to happen. The cycle lane pulls you out of the rear view mirror sight line of turning vehicles and then swings you in with 5 metres to go.

As I overtook the turning traffic, I yet again seen a N and L plate (one car) turn straight across a guy (ha barely overtook) going onto the junction. He is obviously used to this and slammed on, didn't even seem to care, the car went on without even noticing.

Just to be clear, unlike many other junctions on the N11, there is no yield sign for the cycle lane. It is a serious accident waiting to happen.

That junctions gotten a good few mentions in other threads over the years, it's incredibly dangerous. You either need to adjust for cars turning across you or take the lane from just before the crossover at colaiste eoin. So many useless sections both north & southbound on the N11, it's a real wonder that nothings been done to improve some of the more damaged or badly designed sections given the cycle traffic using the route.

Chuchote · 27-04-2017 09:15AM

Danjamin1 wrote: »

That junctions gotten a good few mentions in other threads over the years, it's incredibly dangerous. You either need to adjust for cars turning across you or take the lane from just before the crossover at colaiste eoin. So many useless sections both north & southbound on the N11, it's a real wonder that nothings been done to improve some of the more damaged or badly designed sections given the cycle traffic using the route.

Dangerous for cars too. The turn seems to appear out of nowhere when you're driving, and the average speed of the general traffic coming up to it makes it hard to slow for the turn.

CramCycle · 27-04-2017 09:19AM

Danjamin1 wrote: »

That junctions gotten a good few mentions in other threads over the years, it's incredibly dangerous. You either need to adjust for cars turning across you or take the lane from just before the crossover at colaiste eoin. So many useless sections both north & southbound on the N11, it's a real wonder that nothings been done to improve some of the more damaged or badly designed sections given the cycle traffic using the route.

The one benefit I have noticed is that bus drivers seem to realise what I am doing now, and not give out, realising that if more people done what I do, there would be less waiting behind cars to turn right.

Chuchote wrote: »

Dangerous for cars too. The turn seems to appear out of nowhere when you're driving, and the average speed of the general traffic coming up to it makes it hard to slow for the turn.

Most cars jump in the bus lane early, even the junction before. I don't think it is dangerous for cars if they are driving appropriately. I suppose that is the issue though. IF and APPROPRIATELY

Pinch Flat · 27-04-2017 09:22AM

Had a very close one this morning - BMW X5, no surprise there.:rolleyes:

I'm after dropping junior to school, cycling along the carpenterstown road. Residential road, 50 kph limit. Slower cyclist in front, so look around, indicated clearly - strobe and hi vis on back pack. Car coming against me. Woman in X5 decides to gun it, pretty much as soon as she saw me indicating, squeezing between me overtaking a cyclist and the car coming the opposite way.

I hear the nail bar in Castleknock is busy on Thursday mornings, so probably a perfectly good reason for such a crazy maneuver.

magicbastarder · 27-04-2017 09:35AM

Danjamin1 wrote: »

That junctions gotten a good few mentions in other threads over the years, it's incredibly dangerous.

just had a look at it on google street view. that's bananas. wilfully dangerous.

07Lapierre · 27-04-2017 09:46AM

This Mornings "Incident" was a bit more pleasant.

Cycling on the R108 from Knocksedan to Dublin Airport, a HGV was behind me. He was very patient and seemed happy to stay behind me. But i decided to help out. there was a wide driveway ahead, so i signalled to the driver to overtake me as i moved over to my left and slowed as he passed me. He gave a quick "hoot" with his Truck air horns as he passed! i was able to move back onto the road immediately behind his trailer bumper without missing a beat!

It was no skin off my nose to allow him to pass and sometimes its nice to be nice to other roadusers!

Pinch Flat · 27-04-2017 09:48AM

07Lapierre wrote: »

This Mornings "Incident" was a bit more pleasant.

Cycling on the R108 from Knocksedan to Dublin Airport, a HGV was behind me. He was very patient and seemed happy to stay behind me. But i decided to help out. there was a wide driveway ahead, so i signalled to the driver to overtake me as i moved over to my left and slowed as he passed me. He gave a quick "hoot" with his Truck air horns as he passed! i was able to move back onto the road immediately behind his trailer bumper without missing a beat!

It was no skin off my nose to allow him to pass and sometimes its nice to be nice to other roadusers!

Had a HGV driver reach out his window and pull in his mirror to let me pass on the quays yesterday morning . I said thanks, he said no probs bud. We both went on our way happy.

ThisRegard · 27-04-2017 10:23AM

5uspect wrote: »

I think I'll have to get a camera for my bike with the amount of **** that happens on my short commute.

Yesterday some absolute twat in an Audi undertook a string of traffic on Snugborough road in the bus lane at speed while I was in said bus lane. Missed me by millimetres.

I had caught up to him by the traffic lights by the time they turned green.

That road is lethal for that. Be a dick by skipping down the bus lane, but don't be an absolute dangerous asshole and do it at the speed that many of the dicks do it at.

That's the road where I had my attempted education from a Dublin Bus driver one morning, came right up behind me and started beeping. I knew what he was at so took my time to look around. He pointed to the cycle lane, the one littered in all sorts of crap, I gave him a wave feigning ignorance as to his intentions. It's so dumb, because it's downhill and with the bus stops along it you'll beat a bus every time to the N3.

check_six · 27-04-2017 10:33AM

07Lapierre wrote: »

Cycling on the R108 from Knocksedan to Dublin Airport, a HGV was behind me.

Too right you got him to go to the front. These wheelsuckers need to realise that they have to do a turn every now and again!

shootermacg · 27-04-2017 11:14AM

I'm noticing a trend of close passes by other cyclists at speed. I make a point of stopping at every light, so of those lights are on hills, so these gob****es are hitting some serious speeds.

Also yesterday on the grounds of the garage opposite The Goat pub, I was walking with my bike through the forecourt near the parking spots, well out of the way and some guy comes in behind me tries to swing his car in front of me at speed into a parking spot. Clipped the front wheel of my bike.

Lets just say, I informed him of error in no uncertain words and I don't think he'll be doing it again, ah the good old fear of violence.

V-man · 27-04-2017 11:17AM

shootermacg wrote: »

I make a point of stopping at every light.

You should not stop for a green light

magicbastarder · 27-04-2017 11:30AM

my wife was on the bus on o'connell street yesterday and a cyclist decided to squeeze up between the bus and the fencing separating the lane from the luas works. the gap was clearly narrower than his handlebars as he got his bars snarled up in the fence and was having difficulty extracting them, and ended up having to pound the side of the bus to warn the driver of his predicament. anyway, he extricated himself, the bus driver pulled out a bit to give him room to pass, and he cycled off up the road to do the exact same thing with the bus in front.

GBX · 27-04-2017 11:33AM

magicbastarder wrote: »

my wife was on the bus on o'connell street yesterday and a cyclist decided to squeeze up between the bus and the fencing separating the lane from the luas works. the gap was clearly narrower than his handlebars as he got his bars snarled up in the fence and was having difficulty extracting them, and ended up having to pound the side of the bus to warn the driver of his predicament. anyway, he extricated himself, the bus driver pulled out a bit to give him room to pass, and he cycled off up the road to do the exact same thing with the bus in front.

Saw a similar one recently. A coach indicating right to swing back up Dame St at the taxi rank. I was sat behind on my motorbike and 2 cyclists had positioned on the left of the coach unable to get in front. When the coach started his swing to turn, one of the cyclists had to abandon the bike or get crushed against the fencing. The 2nd managed to push himself back in time.

Chuchote · 27-04-2017 11:39AM

GBX wrote: »

Saw a similar one recently. A coach indicating right to swing back up Dame St at the taxi rank. I was sat behind on my motorbike and 2 cyclists had positioned on the left of the coach unable to get in front. When the coach started his swing to turn, one of the cyclists had to abandon the bike or get crushed against the fencing. The 2nd managed to push himself back in time.

It's incredible that the builders didn't make a separate lane for cyclists when they were placing the wire netting.

It's bad enough when foolish people cycle up beside buses; I've also had buses pull up beside me and force me in between them and the wire. At this stage, when I'm in a place like that, if I hear a bus coming behind me I make a "Keep Back" sign with arm extended, palm back towards bus. I wish there were a generally understood sign language sign for "DANGER!"

magicbastarder · 27-04-2017 11:47AM

best practice there would be to take the middle of the lane and not afford the bus the opportunity to pull alongside you. if he does anyway, it gives you much more escape room.

Chuchote · 27-04-2017 11:47AM

magicbastarder wrote: »

best practice there would be to take the middle of the lane and not afford the bus the opportunity to pull alongside you. if he does anyway, it gives you much more escape room.

I'm just a big cowardy custard when a bus comes up fast right behind me.

cython · 27-04-2017 11:54AM

College Green in its current state is really not afforded the caution it deserves by some cyclists, unfortunately. I cycle through daily, and depending on my humour head for Dame and George's Streets, or go up to Nassau Street (2 routes to same destination), and only this morning when I paused behind and to the right of a bus on the way into the works (in particular as I could see the traffic beyond it starting to move), I saw not one but two cyclists try to zoom up the left of same bus, only to have to stop either when it moved off, or when they realised there was no space, and a high kerb on their left. The first of these then proceeded to try to squeeze me out when I left a few feet of space to the bus (AKA stopping distance

), and then even turned right for Dame Street (again, bear in mind they were looking to pass the bus on the left and presumably cut across).

As I muttered to myself at the time, some people are imbued with a special kind of stupid.

mr spuckler · 27-04-2017 11:59AM

cython wrote: »

College Green in its current state is really not afforded the caution it deserves by some cyclists, unfortunately. I cycle through daily, and depending on my humour head for Dame and George's Streets, or go up to Nassau Street (2 routes to same destination), and only this morning when I paused behind and to the right of a bus on the way into the works (in particular as I could see the traffic beyond it starting to move), I saw not one but two cyclists try to zoom up the left of same bus, only to have to stop either when it moved off, or when they realised there was no space, and a high kerb on their left. The first of these then proceeded to try to squeeze me out when I left a few feet of space to the bus (AKA stopping distance ), and then even turned right for Dame Street (again, bear in mind they were looking to pass the bus on the left and presumably cut across).

As I muttered to myself at the time, some people are imbued with a special kind of stupid.

indeed, but also as someone said above the design of many of the temporary diversions is terrible and funnels all road traffic into a stupidly tight space. i note now at the point where you've to cross the tracks outside the gate of trinity when heading towards dame st, that the groove in the tracks is not filled in as it was when the road was aligned a few metres to the right.

CramCycle · 27-04-2017 12:02PM

Big kudos to the 145 bus driver coming out of Shankhill the other night, young lad and his dad out for a spin. Young lad was clearly new enough, Dad was behind but out a bit. Bus driver slowed to a crawl and waited not only until it was clear, but until it was a really long sight line, more so than any other driver and held out on the other side of the road for well after. I can't imagine it slowed the journey down by more than a minute but it was well done.

Danbo! · 27-04-2017 12:14PM

cython wrote: »

...I saw not one but two cyclists try to zoom up the left of same bus, only to have to stop either when it moved off, or when they realised there was no space, and a high kerb on their left.

I see this a lot and it's mind boggling. Really shows you some people are just in their own little world. Had one a couple of months back that really made me wonder how there arent more accidents in these scenarios.

On the canal at the barge junction, heading east, the new set up has a left-turn lane to the left of the cycle track. It's a nice little upgrade. Anyway, there's a truck indicating left to cross the canal into town, but given his size, he's in the right lane to be able to make the swing.

Not only is he indicating, but there's a speaker at the back left playing a recorded voice "WARNING: THIS TRUCK IS TURNING LEFT". Amazing. Yet cyclist after cyclist ignores the indicator and audio warning and goes for the pass on the left. They've no idea if the lights are about to change or not. The first few head into the advance stop box in front of the truck, but one cyclist stops alongside the cab and eventually there are 4 or 5 queuing all alongside the truck

07Lapierre · 27-04-2017 12:33PM

CramCycle wrote: »

Big kudos to the 145 bus driver coming out of Shankhill the other night, young lad and his dad out for a spin. Young lad was clearly new enough, Dad was behind but out a bit. Bus driver slowed to a crawl and waited not only until it was clear, but until it was a really long sight line, more so than any other driver and held out on the other side of the road for well after. I can't imagine it slowed the journey down by more than a minute but it was well done.

Definitely report that to Bus Eireann!

CramCycle · 27-04-2017 12:34PM

07Lapierre wrote: »

Definitely report that to Bus Eireann!

BE were very quick when I rereported an incident on twitter, but went quiet when I gave them the date, I must investigate further.

buffalo · 27-04-2017 12:35PM

07Lapierre wrote: »

Definitely report that to Bus Eireann!

I have sent complimentary emails in the past when I see a driver being excellent or passing up an obvious opportunity to be a dick.

stevek93 · 27-04-2017 12:53PM

Bl0ody lorry nearly took me and a lady cyclist out this morning on the Tonlegee Road turning into the recycling centre. He turned from the opposite side of the road into the recycling centre as I was passing the entrance. I had to dismount my bike and leg it up onto the path before he side swiped me.

Mercian Pro · 27-04-2017 02:44PM

Weepsie wrote: »

I know there's a specific one for Ireland that's very similar (would like the URL if someone has it)

http://www.dublininquirer.com/2015/10/20/bicycle-collision-tracker/

This may be what you are thinking of. Dublin City only I think.

PowerToWait · 27-04-2017 07:54PM

I don't know if this Swiss ad has been posted already but I saw it on a French mate's FB.

The comments on the FB are typically polarised with a large anti-cycling cohort spouting the same bile as their Irish counterparts.

https://gfycat.com/WhimsicalIgnorantIberianlynx

Danbo! · 27-04-2017 08:15PM

PowerToWait wrote: »

I don't know if this Swiss ad has been posted already but I saw it on a French mate's FB.

The comments on the FB are typically polarised with a large anti-cycling cohort spouting the same bile as their Irish counterparts.

https://gfycat.com/WhimsicalIgnorantIberianlynx

Interesting idea for an ad.

I do think an ad campaign by the rsa showing cyclists what it's like from a drivers perspective, and showing drivers what it's like from a cyclists perspective, would help. Most of the ads they have are just explaining the rules of the road to motorists, such as leaving room and two abreast, which doesn't do much to change any attitudes of the people who already have a "thing" for cyclists.

Especially with the amount of dash cams and helmet cams out there, real life footage could be more effective.

Kaisr Sose · 27-04-2017 08:28PM

Danbo! wrote: »

Interesting idea for an ad.

I do think an ad campaign by the rsa showing cyclists what it's like from a drivers perspective, and showing drivers what it's like from a cyclists perspective, would help. Most of the ads they have are just showing the explaining the rule of the road to motorists such as leaving room and two abreast, which doesn't do much to change any attitudes of the people who already have a "thing" for cyclists.

Especially with the amount of dash cams and helmet cams out there, real life footage could be more effective.

They (the RSA) did a see it from their perspective / put yourself in their shoes ad which was quite effective. It featured the same person as a cyclist / driver and similarly as a pedestrian / driver. Dealt with close pass/ turning without indicating and driving through pedestrian lights when pedestrians were crossing.

Not as hard hitting as drink driving ads or the not paying attention/distracted with phone ones.

The impatience / desperate to pass and close passes are a real bug bear of mine!

Chuchote · 27-04-2017 09:13PM

PowerToWait wrote: »

I don't know if this Swiss ad has been posted already but I saw it on a French mate's FB.

The comments on the FB are typically polarised with a large anti-cycling cohort spouting the same bile as their Irish counterparts.

https://gfycat.com/WhimsicalIgnorantIberianlynx

"In half of accidents involving bikes, the cyclist's at fault"? Very, very dodgy statistic.

magicbastarder · 27-04-2017 10:04PM

it says 'in nearly half'; which is another way of saying 'more than half of all accidents are the motorist's fault'.

Near misses - mod warning 22/04 - see OP/post 822

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