Near misses - mod warning 22/04 - see OP/post 822

Tenzor07 · 26-04-2017 10:08AM

07Lapierre wrote: »

That is a good point...but all we're saying is this road is just as good/bad as any other road. I cycle along it in daylight and at night and I don't find driver behaviour on it any better/worse than any other road.

That's my point, that the posters who've said the road is "grand" may be Male, good standard of fitness, lycra/helmets/road-racer bikes..

But that represents only a specific group of cyclists, leaves out school/kids, casual non-lycra'd cyclists etc...

07Lapierre · 26-04-2017 10:19AM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

That's my point, that the posters who've said the road is "grand" may be Male, good standard of fitness, lycra/helmets/road-racer bikes..

But that represents only a specific group of cyclists, leaves out school/kids, casual non-lycra'd cyclists etc...

I still maintain that its not the road that's the problem..its the "attitude" of Motorists that makes the road dangerous for inexperienced cyclists.

V-man · 26-04-2017 10:24AM

Cycling on Adelaide road this morning towards Harcourt and stop for a red light at the pedestrian crossing where a blind elderly lady is starting to cross.
Young girl on a Dublin bike approaching from the other side, eyes glued to her phone (not mentioning the over-sized headphone) and going straight for the blind lady on the crossing.
All I could do was shout..... somehow this (XXXX censured) looked up from her phone her and barely managed to avoid the lady.

Location:
https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.3324456,-6.2560681,3a,75y,292.29h,84.42t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s9IRrk5r0c4IdKDkvFXqIAg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

No words for the stupidity....... phones and walking/Cycling/Driving are not a good combination :mad:

ThisRegard · 26-04-2017 10:34AM

Outside the Shelbourne one evening I was sure I was about to watch a guide dog be killed. An asshole in front of me drove through the red light, amber gambling was well shut up shop by this stage. The dog lept and swung its head back to avoid being hit right in the head.

BoardsMember · 26-04-2017 10:35AM

07Lapierre wrote: »

I still maintain that its not the road that's the problem..its the "attitude" of Motorists that makes the road dangerous for inexperienced cyclists.

I'm not sure you're right. I think it is the ability/awareness of the motorists a lot of the time that causes these issues. There are just a huge amount of sh1te drivers out there.

Put it this way, I have have two "near misses" while driving my car in the last 2 weeks.

One was on Bird Avenue, car coming towards me comes onto my side of the road to avoid obstruction on their side rather than break, I had to stop to avoid head on collision.

Same sort of thing Terenure Road North, bus coming towards me pulls in to take on passengers, I am indicating right to turn just after the bus so am in rightmost position on my side of the road, taxi coming against sees bus in his way, presumably decides I will "move out of his way" and overtakes, I have to pull over to the left having quickly checked there's nobody undertaking me (there is plenty of space to do so). He remonstrates with me as if I have nearly caused the head on collision on my side of the road.

I think a lot of the time the theme/tone of posts here is that there is a willful endangering of cyclists by drivers, with cyclists feeling persecuted/endangered intentionally, i.e. the "attitude" of drivers, as you say. I accept that is the case some of the time, and acknowledge there is evidence to support this, but I am fairly sure a lot of the time it is just really bad driving as is witnessed & suffered by other road users all the time.

JazzyJ · 26-04-2017 10:46AM

Not a near miss on the bike, but had one yesterday afternoon when driving.

Was going around the M50 roundabout up from the Beacon at Sandyford, when I met a car coming around the wrong way at full speed :eek::eek::eek:. I laid on the horn and stopped and he just drove around me and kept going on his merry way looking at me like I'd two heads.

cdaly_ · 26-04-2017 10:46AM

BoardsMember wrote: »

I'm not sure you're right. I think it is the ability/awareness of the motorists a lot of the time that causes these issues. There are just a huge amount of sh1te drivers out there.

I think a lot of the time the theme/tone of posts here is that there is a willful endangering of cyclists by drivers, with cyclists feeling persecuted/endangered intentionally, i.e. the "attitude" of drivers, as you say. I accept that is the case some of the time, and acknowledge there is evidence to support this, but I am fairly sure a lot of the time it is just really bad driving as is witnessed & suffered by other road users all the time.

The 'attitude' is not a matter of willful endangerment. It's more an attitude of not being arsed to learn how their (****e) driving affects other road users.

That, along with the radio jocks' anti-cyclist agenda gives rise to dangerous behaviour ("they deserve it") without a real understanding of exactly how dangerous it is.

Fighting Tao · 26-04-2017 10:48AM

BoardsMember wrote: »

I'm not sure you're right. I think it is the ability/awareness of the motorists a lot of the time that causes these issues. There are just a huge amount of sh1te drivers out there.

Put it this way, I have have two "near misses" while driving my car in the last 2 weeks.

One was on Bird Avenue, car coming towards me comes onto my side of the road to avoid obstruction on their side rather than break, I had to stop to avoid head on collision.

Same sort of thing Terenure Road North, bus coming towards me pulls in to take on passengers, I am indicating right to turn just after the bus so am in rightmost position on my side of the road, taxi coming against sees bus in his way, presumably decides I will "move out of his way" and overtakes, I have to pull over to the left having quickly checked there's nobody undertaking me (there is plenty of space to do so). He remonstrates with me as if I have nearly caused the head on collision on my side of the road.

I think a lot of the time the theme/tone of posts here is that there is a willful endangering of cyclists by drivers, with cyclists feeling persecuted/endangered intentionally, i.e. the "attitude" of drivers, as you say. I accept that is the case some of the time, and acknowledge there is evidence to support this, but I am fairly sure a lot of the time it is just really bad driving as is witnessed & suffered by other road users all the time.

While I agree that most is bad driving, not all is. I don't think that this thread aims to teach all bad drivers how to drive.

However, all drivers that do a dangerous close pass can be educated and that's why it's important to report them. It may save a life in the future.

Tenzor07 · 26-04-2017 10:50AM

BoardsMember wrote: »

I think a lot of the time the theme/tone of posts here is that there is a willful endangering of cyclists by drivers, with cyclists feeling persecuted/endangered intentionally, i.e. the "attitude" of drivers, as you say. I accept that is the case some of the time, and acknowledge there is evidence to support this, but I am fairly sure a lot of the time it is just really bad driving as is witnessed & suffered by other road users all the time.

You make some good points...

Though in Ireland we just have a system of roads designed for the motor vehicle, not the bicyclist and also pedestrian..

In places like The Netherlands they have designed their roads so as to remove all points of conflict between motor vehicle and bicyclist, and it also helps that each and every Dutch person whether is or has been a cyclist so has a consideration for the bicyclist and a greater awareness that the average Irish motorist may not..

07Lapierre · 26-04-2017 10:52AM

BoardsMember wrote: »

I'm not sure you're right. I think it is the ability/awareness of the motorists a lot of the time that causes these issues. There are just a huge amount of sh1te drivers out there.

Put it this way, I have have two "near misses" while driving my car in the last 2 weeks.

One was on Bird Avenue, car coming towards me comes onto my side of the road to avoid obstruction on their side rather than break, I had to stop to avoid head on collision.

Same sort of thing Terenure Road North, bus coming towards me pulls in to take on passengers, I am indicating right to turn just after the bus so am in rightmost position on my side of the road, taxi coming against sees bus in his way, presumably decides I will "move out of his way" and overtakes, I have to pull over to the left having quickly checked there's nobody undertaking me (there is plenty of space to do so). He remonstrates with me as if I have nearly caused the head on collision on my side of the road.

I think a lot of the time the theme/tone of posts here is that there is a willful endangering of cyclists by drivers, with cyclists feeling persecuted/endangered intentionally, i.e. the "attitude" of drivers, as you say. I accept that is the case some of the time, and acknowledge there is evidence to support this, but I am fairly sure a lot of the time it is just really bad driving as is witnessed & suffered by other road users all the time.

Fair enough, Maybe attitude was the wrong word to use. There are a lot of factors at play. A narrow road, combined with wide cars, inexperienced drivers, inexperienced cyclists etc. While widening the road might help, it wont make drivers/cyclists more experienced.

mr spuckler · 26-04-2017 11:24AM

V-man wrote: »

Cycling on Adelaide road this morning towards Harcourt and stop for a red light at the pedestrian crossing where a blind elderly lady is starting to cross.
Young girl on a Dublin bike approaching from the other side, eyes glued to her phone (not mentioning the over-sized headphone) and going straight for the blind lady on the crossing.
All I could do was shout..... somehow this (XXXX censured) looked up from her phone her and barely managed to avoid the lady.

Location:
https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.3324456,-6.2560681,3a,75y,292.29h,84.42t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s9IRrk5r0c4IdKDkvFXqIAg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

No words for the stupidity....... phones and walking/Cycling/Driving are not a good combination :mad:

an actual near miss being posted about in this thread :eek:

Kaisr Sose · 26-04-2017 01:53PM

BoardsMember wrote: »

I think a lot of the time the theme/tone of posts here is that there is a willful endangering of cyclists by drivers, with cyclists feeling persecuted/endangered intentionally, i.e. the "attitude" of drivers, as you say. I accept that is the case some of the time, and acknowledge there is evidence to support this, but I am fairly sure a lot of the time it is just really bad driving as is witnessed & suffered by other road users all the time.

It's really bad and discourteous driving mainly. It's just more dangerous and frightening when you are cycling. And in my opinion and experience, the bad ones are getting worse because it's not being detected / policed and some of the good ones are jumping ship as they are seeing the lack of respect going undetected. The net result is approaching danger levels and more accidents and deaths are likely until the authorities step up and give the Garda the tools, resources and laws they need to fight back.

fat bloke · 26-04-2017 02:11PM

JazzyJ wrote: »

Was going around the M50 roundabout up from the Beacon at Sandyford, when I met a car coming around the wrong way at full speed :eek::eek::eek:. I laid on the horn and stopped and he just drove around me and kept going on his merry way looking at me like I'd two heads.

WTF? That's mad.

Beasty · 26-04-2017 02:16PM

JazzyJ wrote: »

Not a near miss on the bike, but had one yesterday afternoon when driving.

Was going around the M50 roundabout up from the Beacon at Sandyford, when I met a car coming around the wrong way at full speed :eek::eek::eek:. I laid on the horn and stopped and he just drove around me and kept going on his merry way looking at me like I'd two heads.

Did you not see the news? On the back of Brexit the EU are changing traffic laws in countries that will remain but drive on the left moving towards a standard "drive on the right" law. They are introducing the change gradually, with that roundabout being the first place in Ireland to move over...

Pinch Flat · 26-04-2017 02:20PM

JazzyJ wrote: »

Not a near miss on the bike, but had one yesterday afternoon when driving.

Was going around the M50 roundabout up from the Beacon at Sandyford, when I met a car coming around the wrong way at full speed :eek::eek::eek:. I laid on the horn and stopped and he just drove around me and kept going on his merry way looking at me like I'd two heads.

Happens all the time around where I live. At this roundabout, when the level crossing is closed, you'll have a few tools try it on:

https://goo.gl/maps/bw86CxeovMA2

Was coming back from a spin a few weekends ago, guy coming against me decided to drive inside the mini roundabout coming from Clonee. On the wrong side of the road, driving way too fast, with a cyclist coming against him. Some tools out there.

https://goo.gl/maps/AheAjqdzPZv

07Lapierre · 26-04-2017 02:24PM

On the R125 at Rolestown yesterday morning. I'm cycling towards a crossroads type junction (which is also a slight right hand bend). As I arrive at the junction (solid white line) a "N" driver proceeds to overtake me just as an oncoming car comes around the bend. Brakes, horns and flashing lights! Luckily no impact.

Just another day commuting by bike in Ireland.

AndrewJRenko · 26-04-2017 03:31PM

Kaisr Sose wrote: »

If it goes up on PULSE, there is a record which could go against them at a later point (another incident) In my opinion all blatantly dangerous incidents should be reported as it helps the Garda build a profile of that drivers overall driving.

I'm not sure if Traffic Watch incidents are tracked on Pulse. When I've dealt with individual Gardai, they seem to be dealing with a faxed printout from an MS Access database!

Danbo! · 26-04-2017 03:52PM

Had a close one this morning on Wainsfort Road. For those not familiar, there's a decent on-road cycle track but the road isn't terribly wide, so cars generally need to overtake over the centreline a little. Truck coming in opposite direction and a corsa behind me goes for it. I have no idea how he didn't hit me, maybe 2-3 inches from handlebar to wing mirror. I got some fright and let a roar. The corsa ends up stopping at lights about 50 ft up the road :rolleyes: When I reach the car, his window is down, I'm unsure if he's going to apologise or tell me to f**k off.

Turns out it's my cousin, who says "Sh*t sorry, I didn't know it was you" :eek:

Danjamin1 · 26-04-2017 04:24PM

Danbo! wrote: »

Had a close one this morning on Wainsfort Road. For those not familiar, there's a decent on-road cycle track but the road isn't terribly wide, so cars generally need to overtake over the centreline a little. Truck coming in opposite direction and a corsa behind me goes for it. I have no idea how he didn't hit me, maybe 2-3 inches from handlebar to wing mirror. I got some fright and let a roar. The corsa ends up stopping at lights about 50 ft up the road :rolleyes: When I reach the car, his window is down, I'm unsure if he's going to apologise or tell me to f**k off.

Turns out it's my cousin, who says "Sh*t sorry, I didn't know it was you" :eek:

I know the road well, the cycle lane isn't bad but your right about the width of the road, I generally stick to the edge of the line in the lane for 2 reasons - (i) to discourage close passes & (ii) to make it easier to overtake other cyclists, I find it helps to be in a decent position when your indicating to cars behind that you plan to move out otherwise they tend to cut you off.

Danbo! · 26-04-2017 04:38PM

Danjamin1 wrote: »

I know the road well, the cycle lane isn't bad but your right about the width of the road, I generally stick to the edge of the line in the lane for 2 reasons - (i) to discourage close passes & (ii) to make it easier to overtake other cyclists, I find it helps to be in a decent position when your indicating to cars behind that you plan to move out otherwise they tend to cut you off.

Bingo. The road isn't wide but it's a much better setup than before the roundabout (discussed plenty earlier in the thread). I was 3/4s of the way across the cycle lane, closer to road than kerb I mean. I'll generally keep this line for the same reason you mentioned, and it leaves me some room in case of a close pass, though you've little time to react once the offender is passing. To be honest I've never had much trouble on the road at all, cars are generally quite patient. On the way out of town as the road curves left I'll plant myself right on the edge of the cycle track as the overtakers cannot see incoming traffic for about 50ft.

BoardsMember · 26-04-2017 04:49PM

Danbo! wrote: »

Had a close one this morning on Wainsfort Road. For those not familiar, there's a decent on-road cycle track but the road isn't terribly wide, so cars generally need to overtake over the centreline a little. Truck coming in opposite direction and a corsa behind me goes for it. I have no idea how he didn't hit me, maybe 2-3 inches from handlebar to wing mirror. I got some fright and let a roar. The corsa ends up stopping at lights about 50 ft up the road :rolleyes: When I reach the car, his window is down, I'm unsure if he's going to apologise or tell me to f**k off.

Turns out it's my cousin, who says "Sh*t sorry, I didn't know it was you" :eek:

That's like the time I was crossing the road on a green man, an artic breaks the lights, nearly kills me, garda the other side of the lights sees it, I ask him what he's going to do about it, and he tells me its ok he knows him.

I love Sean nos · 26-04-2017 04:50PM

Chuchote wrote: »

You can believe Google Maps - use Satellite View and Street View to check any city in Japan and you normally won't see parking on the streets. It really is a silly way to use road space, for storage.

I remember reading somewhere that the authorities impound any private vehicles that they find on public streets at 03:00 or something.

Proper order.

5uspect · 26-04-2017 06:10PM

I think I'll have to get a camera for my bike with the amount of **** that happens on my short commute.

Yesterday some absolute twat in an Audi undertook a string of traffic on Snugborough road in the bus lane at speed while I was in said bus lane. Missed me by millimetres.

I had caught up to him by the traffic lights by the time they turned green.

I love Sean nos · 26-04-2017 06:29PM

BoardsMember wrote: »

Instead we have teachers and publicans trying to keep their constituents happy, with no forward thinking or mater plan.

Is the national transport policy being set by teachers and politicians now?

Chuchote · 27-04-2017 06:42AM

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

I'm not sure if Traffic Watch incidents are tracked on Pulse. When I've dealt with individual Gardai, they seem to be dealing with a faxed printout from an MS Access database!

Oddly un-joined-up. Perhaps it would crash Pulse. Same thing with potholes - you can't report them, oddly, using the See it! Say it! app, which can only be used for things like graffiti and illegal dumping; this seems silly, since it feeds into Fixmystreet.

Figerty · 27-04-2017 06:51AM

I love Sean nos wrote: »

I remember reading somewhere that the authorities impound any private vehicles that they find on public streets at 03:00 or something.

Proper order.

The streets in Japan are very narrow and confined. Cars are parked off street and usually are square boxes in the City. There are millions of cars there.It's common to see carousel type parking to get six cars into a garage or a turntable to get the cars into a space.
Greatest waste of space is putting a watertight vehicle into a covered space.

Kaisr Sose · 27-04-2017 07:47AM

Figerty wrote: »

Greatest waste of space is putting a watertight vehicle into a covered space.

You are right, they should be put into water and call it a car pool...

I love Sean nos · 27-04-2017 07:47AM

Figerty wrote: »

The streets in Japan are very narrow and confined. Cars are parked off street and usually are square boxes in the City. There are millions of cars there.It's common to see carousel type parking to get six cars into a garage or a turntable to get the cars into a space.
Greatest waste of space is putting a watertight vehicle into a covered space.

Different issue. Whether or not a private enterprise decided to cover the parked cars is their decision. We're talking about the use of public space to store private property and, by extension, the owners of said private property objective to any change that might impact said storage of their property.

Chuchote · 27-04-2017 08:57AM

I love Sean nos wrote: »

Different issue. Whether or not a private enterprise decided to cover the parked cars is their decision. We're talking about the use of public space to store private property and, by extension, the owners of said private property objective to any change that might impact said storage of their property.

I think Sean-nós was talking about the shades that private individuals have in their driveways to cover their cars in Japan. (Some, who have two or three cars, have a system where one car or two can be lowered into parking spaces in the driveway below the car parked there, or 'multi-storey' car parks in the driveway.)

CramCycle · 27-04-2017 09:06AM

This mornign coming along the N11 at the turn for Fosters Avenue. I take the lane from the junction before as the left turn, even when quiet there is another statistic waiting to happen. The cycle lane pulls you out of the rear view mirror sight line of turning vehicles and then swings you in with 5 metres to go.

As I overtook the turning traffic, I yet again seen a N and L plate (one car) turn straight across a guy (ha barely overtook) going onto the junction. He is obviously used to this and slammed on, didn't even seem to care, the car went on without even noticing.

Just to be clear, unlike many other junctions on the N11, there is no yield sign for the cycle lane. It is a serious accident waiting to happen.

Near misses - mod warning 22/04 - see OP/post 822

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