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X-Men: Dark Phoenix

  • 24-04-2017 9:16pm
    #1
    bnt
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    News:
    After reports circulated over the plot for the X-Men: Apocalypse sequel, 20th Century Fox confirmed that the franchise will be revisiting Jean Grey's iconic story line next year.

    On Saturday, the studio announced new release dates for the next installments of the X-Men cinematic universe: Josh Boone's New Mutants is scheduled for April 13, 2018, Deadpool 2 will now bow June 1, 2018, and Dark Phoenix will hit theaters on November 2, 2018.
    All the reports I've seen assume that Sophie Turner will star as Jean Grey, after her role in X-Men: Apocalypse, which is reasonable - even IMDB. Wikipedia has more on the Dark Phoenix Saga from the comic books, here.

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  • #2
    Sad Professor
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    Is Singer directing this?


  • #3
    Nervous Wreck
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    Dark Phoenix... again... sigh.


  • #4
    Skerries
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    to make that work you would need the Starjammers or maybe substitute in GotG
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  • #5
    El Duda
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    Sophie Turner was an unremarkable Jean Grey.

    I kinda hoped Logan would be the end of this run of X-men films. The timeline needs to be reset. It's too confusing now.


  • #6
    constitutionus
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    my take on it from what i posted in the superheros forum.

    ill be intersted to see how they do it.

    a straight conversion of the story is out the window. no aliens in this universe so there goes the shiar and half the cast either isnt there for the helfire club- or isnt meant to show up unitll "logan" like peirce.

    but ya can still hit the beats.

    the main theme IMO is the seduction and corruption of jean by all her power . leading to her going nuts and a show down with xavier.

    jean cant eat a sun and destroy a planet killing 60 billion people, but she could say - wipe out India. thats a good 1.5billion.

    and that'd be MORE than enough reason for the UN to put together a global mutant strike force that stands in for the imperial guard to go gunning for her leading to the throwdown against the Xmen at the end of the phoenix saga where she tops herself.

    i'd stage that battle at the mansion cause the moon will make no sense in the movieverse and i'd make her use cykes optic blasts to kill herself instead of the lazer cannon found there (also provides her the opportunity to give that speech to him at the end)

    theres potential here to do something more than just a FX bonanza. one of the things i like about the xmen comics is their villains tend to have a point. magneto's world view is valid- albeit based in fear and hopelessness.

    for ages weve been told the x men fight "to protect a world that fears and hates them".

    the dark phoenix saga could be the one to show exactly WHY those humans are "right" to do exactly that.

    wont hold my breath though after apocalypse.


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  • #7
    humanji
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    El Duda wrote: »
    Sophie Turner was an unremarkable Jean Grey.

    I kinda hoped Logan would be the end of this run of X-men films. The timeline needs to be reset. It's too confusing now.
    They've one main X-Men movie (Dark Pheonix), four character movies (Deadpool 2 & 3, Gambit and X-23), and four mutant team movies (New Mutants, X-Force, Alpha Flight and Exiles), all in various stages of development.

    So I can't seem them resetting the universe anytime soon.


  • #8
    Agent Coulson
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    Simon Kinberg now set to direct.

    Jennifer Lawrence, Michael Fassbender, James McAvoy & Nicholas Hoult all set to return.


    Jessica Chastain is in talks to join the cast as well.


  • #9
    Brief_Lives
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    Cool...
    The Fassbender and McAvoy bromance works as well as Stewart and Sir Ian..
    And J Law is easy on the eye.


  • #10
    Nervous Wreck
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    Agent Coulson wrote: »
    Simon Kinberg now set to direct.

    Jennifer Lawrence, Michael Fassbender, James McAvoy & Nicholas Hoult all set to return.


    Jessica Chastain is in talks to join the cast as well.

    Eugh, I'm out.


  • #11
    Skerries
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    I thought J Law was done with the X movies
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  • #12
    McLoughlin
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    Skerries wrote: »
    I thought J Law was done with the X movies

    Big dump truck of cash reversing up the driveway tends to change peoples minds


  • #13
    El Duda
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    I don't want J-Law in this franchise any more.


  • #14
    constitutionus
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    ooooh some interesting news from CNBC.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2017/11/06/21st-century-fox-has-been-holding-talks-to-sell-most-of-company-to-disney-sources.html

    What this basically means boys and girls is the xmen and fantastic four would basically be going back to marvel !

    interesting times ahead.


  • #15
    IncognitoMan
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    constitutionus wrote: »
    ooooh some interesting news from CNBC.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2017/11/06/21st-century-fox-has-been-holding-talks-to-sell-most-of-company-to-disney-sources.html

    What this basically means boys and girls is the xmen and fantastic four would basically be going back to marvel !

    interesting times ahead.

    And Deadpool... :(

    Hopefully if it went through they would let Deadpool stay R-rated but I don't hold out much hope.

    Would be excellent news for X-men and F4 though.


  • #16
    Shred
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    IncognitoMan wrote: »
    And Deadpool... :(

    Hopefully if it went through they would let Deadpool stay R-rated but I don't hold out much hope.

    Ryan Reynolds has commented on this: https://twitter.com/VancityReynolds/status/927646287880744962

    :P


  • #17
    constitutionus
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    i cant see them messing with deadpool now its a proven hit.

    before hand couldve been a totally different story. i could see them pushing him as a kiddie friendly slapstick cartoon type character.

    thank god he's branded now as an adult orientated satire.

    we could be seeing a kinda "imprint" type of set up in the offing should the sale go through where the fox lads get to stick with the alternative edgy stuff (like the upcoming new mutants take), and prehaps even take properties in marvels stable.

    while at the same time marvel could do their versions to include in the MCU without fear of litigation (think quicksilver and the scarlet witch. hell now they can actually call them mutants) so you could get FF Silver surver galactus and the Xmen in the second infinity war flim.

    end of the day the mouse wants to make moola. i dont see em messing with what works. it'd defeat the whole purpose of purchasing the studio.

    and hell as a comic fan if this DOES go through it means marvel comics will start backing the XMEN/FF again as orders came from on high to sideline them.


  • #18
    Turtyturd
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    They might actually stop sh!tting on the X books...yay.


  • #19
    Tefral
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    This merger would essentially allow Disney to print money off the back of the MCU. I for one am delighted.


  • #20
    [Deleted User]
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    You know what - I would be pretty happy with Disney owning some of the Fox cannon. They've been pretty good at not interfering massively in the Marvel, Pixar, and LucasFilms franchises, so I can see them letting and supporting another full-blown R-Rated Daredevil.


  • #21
    pixelburp
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    Said it in the Superheroes forum thread, and will say it here, Marvel fandom put aside this is potentially a bit disappointing at best, and grim at worst; Disney getting hold of another entertainment giant & cash-cow just increases their monopoly.

    Plus, TBH, continuity aside the X-Men don't need to be in the MCU - and shouldn't. I love comics as much as the next person but their bloated roster and eye-wateringly complicated backstories are one of their biggest weaknesses. I'm not immediately keen on seeing Wolverine & co. tussle with the Avengers on-screen.


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  • #22
    Agent Coulson
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    Shred wrote: »
    Ryan Reynolds has commented on this: https://twitter.com/VancityReynolds/status/927646287880744962

    :P

    https://twitter.com/AndyTheBlanch/status/927744009115750400?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailyedge.ie%2Fryan-reynolds-blake-lively-dublin-3683643-Nov2017%2F


  • #23
    Shred
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    Yeah Mr Blanchard was stating the bleeding obvious there.


  • #24
    [Deleted User]
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    Disney would be idiots to try and hamper Deadpool and stop it being a full on R-Rated movie - it made $363m on a $58m budget. Hell, Logan solidified the fact that there is a market for full-on R-Rated movies with it becoming a box office smash too.

    Can you imagine if Dredd got released now? Very likely it would turn into a box office smash too.


  • #25
    Bacchus
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    This is turning into the "Disney's getting all the Marvel properties back" thread...

    I've mixed feelings about it. I do like that Marvel will get the freedom to use characters (baddies in particular) as they please without restrictions. I also really like the thoughts of FF in the MCU. They're a perfect fit and the timing is right for a super-brainy hero to take over from Stark. However, all the X-Men stuff would just overload the MCU. To me, it'd be unwieldy to manage sheer volume of characters it brings into the fold. I also enjoy the different tone and style of the X-Men movies, particularly the more recent entries such as DoFP, Deadpool and Logan. I'd like to see the X-Men universe done right but keep that edge and slightly more grown-up tone. When Fox got it right, the X-Men movies are up there with the best, but there's also so much wrong with them that a straight up reboot of the series is needed. Deadpool is in a tricky spot so because I'd love to see it continue doing its own thing but then does that muddy the waters if there's a hard reboot? Maybe they could make use of the 4th wall breaking to play into that though with Deadpool recognizing that he (and all the other characters) has been rebooted.


  • #26
    Penn
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    Bacchus wrote: »
    This is turning into the "Disney's getting all the Marvel properties back" thread...

    I've mixed feelings about it. I do like that Marvel will get the freedom to use characters (baddies in particular) as they please without restrictions. I also really like the thoughts of FF in the MCU. They're a perfect fit and the timing is right for a super-brainy hero to take over from Stark. However, all the X-Men stuff would just overload the MCU. To me, it'd be unwieldy to manage sheer volume of characters it brings into the fold. I also enjoy the different tone and style of the X-Men movies, particularly the more recent entries such as DoFP, Deadpool and Logan. I'd like to see the X-Men universe done right but keep that edge and slightly more grown-up tone. When Fox got it right, the X-Men movies are up there with the best, but there's also so much wrong with them that a straight up reboot of the series is needed. Deadpool is in a tricky spot so because I'd love to see it continue doing its own thing but then does that muddy the waters if there's a hard reboot? Maybe they could make use of the 4th wall breaking to play into that though with Deadpool recognizing that he (and all the other characters) has been rebooted.

    I'd almost be hoping Disney would let Marvel set up an X-Men universe of movies themselves, which could be 18s rated, and keep it separate from the MCU bar maybe the occasional quick appearance or reference. But Marvel have shown they can have a much better grasp on their characters than Sony did with Spider-man, and I think if they got the X-Men and set up a new universe of films just for them, it could be great.

    Bring Fantastic Four into the main MCU, but keep the X-Men in their own bubble universe.


  • #27
    Brief_Lives
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    We could probably shift this FOX Marvel chat int this thread.....
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057805872

    and use this thread to talk about Dark Phoenix, so the chat isn´t lost in the future...


  • #28
    Plopsu
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    Uh-oh!

    http://www.looper.com/100155/x-men-dark-phoenix-tribute-x-women/


  • #29
    JP Liz V1
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    Will Famke Janssen be in this too?
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  • #30
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    Plopsu wrote: »
    Uh-oh!

    http://www.looper.com/100155/x-men-dark-phoenix-tribute-x-women/

    Why is that Uh-oh?

    My biggest issue is that I really don't Turner is a strong enough actress to pull off the likes of Dark Phoenix. She could barely do Jean Grey.


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  • #31
    Plopsu
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Why is that Uh-oh?

    Because it suggests that they're trying to turn the x-men movie into some sort of relationship exploring chick flick (and that's ignoring the Peppa Pig-esque 'we're always having to save the men' comment). Let's just say I see plenty of red flags in that article.


  • #32
    bnt
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    Due out in the USA on 14 Feb - Valentine's Day - with a new poster image here (huge). The title no longer includes "X-Men", just the circle X.

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  • #33
    HandsomeBob
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    Trailer starts a bit wonky as I'm still not completely convinced by Turner outside of Got, but it does look better as trailer develop.

    Fascinating scenario as I didn't get the impression that this is them trying to brusquely wrap up the franchise.


  • #34
    pixelburp
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    Full trailer is now live; looks pretty modest in comparison to the escalating brainless destruction of Apocalypse.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWbMckU3AOQ


  • #35
    2smiggy
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    Well I'm some what hopeful, I loved First Class and Days of Future Past. Not so much Apocalypse :p


  • #36
    p to the e
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    Well at least the trailer ticked the "play a slowed down trendy version of a classic song" box


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  • #37
    Skerries
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    could have been the ominous Bwaaaaaaam! sound
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  • #38
    banie01
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    The last X-Men movie was really poor IMO.
    One of the iconic X-Men villains reduced to basically being defeated by glorified PMS to fore-shadow Dark Phoenix.

    I'd hope that there is some respect paid to the source material.
    More than in the original trilogy's attempt at least.
    Ideally the Shi'ar and the M'kraan crystal and even Lilandra.
    The trailer does seem to tease a stargate and spaceflight at least.
    Here's hoping, but I'm with many others when I say that Disney taking back the franchise, allows for an R rated expansion of the MCU that I'd love to see happen.


  • #39
    correction
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    banie01 wrote: »
    The last X-Men movie was really poor IMO.
    One of the iconic X-Men villains reduced to basically being defeated by glorified PMS to fore-shadow Dark Phoenix.

    I'd hope that there is some respect paid to the source material.
    More than in the original trilogy's attempt at least.
    Ideally the Shi'ar and the M'kraan crystal and even Lilandra.
    The trailer does seem to tease a stargate and spaceflight at least.
    Here's hoping, but I'm with many others when I say that Disney taking back the franchise, allows for an R rated expansion of the MCU that I'd love to see happen.

    No chance Disney will ever do R rated Marvel movies. I personally don't get the excitement about the X-Men going to Disney. We've gotten a couple of top tier films and a few very good ones out of Fox. If it goes back to Disney we'll either get no movies or get the usual watered down mid level Marvel movies. I'd much rather Fox stayed as it is and we got a reboot a few years down the road.


  • #40
    banie01
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    correction wrote: »
    No chance Disney will ever do R rated Marvel movies. I personally don't get the excitement about the X-Men going to Disney. We've gotten a couple of top tier films and a few very good ones out of Fox. If it goes back to Disney we'll either get no movies or get the usual watered down mid level Marvel movies. I'd much rather Fox stayed as it is and we got a reboot a few years down the road.

    I actually agree with you in that I don't think Disney will go R-Rated for the X-Men franchise.
    I had typod in my post :( as I was tushing
    What I'd meant to post was...
    banie01 wrote: »
    .
    Here's hoping, but I'm with many others when I say that Disney taking back the franchise, allows
    "hope" for an R rated expansion of the MCU that I'd love to see happen, but probably won't as Disney will try retconning the X-Men into the MCU


  • #41
    correction
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    I do find it to be quite the shame. I know they're dead set on keeping their kid friendly image but you don't have to associate any R rated movies with the Disney brand really.


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  • #42
    El Duda
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    The movies biggest failing will be the fact that the unremarkable Sophie Turner will be the focus. She was incredibly bland in Apocalypse and I don't think she is good enough to carry a blockbuster like this.

    As much as I like this series, it really needs a break and a reboot.


  • #43
    Loughc
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    El Duda wrote: »
    As much as I like this series, it really needs a break and a reboot.

    Well now that Disney own Marvel and Fox I imagine there will a reboot coming very soon.


  • #44
    Agent Coulson
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    Sophie Turner's voice wrecks my head.


  • #45
    brianregan09
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    X-Men doesn't need to be R Rated the best X-men stories ever told in comics were done perfectly in the X-Men Animated Series in the 90s and then some , It's a pity that they have looked to have turn Jean Grey into a modern day Carrie , Being honest it all looks pretty pedestrian

    I for one can't wait until Disney takes this franchise over , 3 decades and we'v gotten 2 maybe 3 at a push decent Xmen Films (logan, deadpool, xmen first class)


  • #46
    brevity
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    X-Men 2 is very good.


  • #47
    correction
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    Days of Future Past is an excellent movie.


  • #48
    Skerries
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    Howard the duck wants a word
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  • #49
    pjohnson
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    brianregan09 wrote: »
    I for one can't wait until Disney takes this franchise over , 3 decades and we'v gotten 2 maybe 3 at a push decent Xmen Films (logan, deadpool, xmen first class)

    I highly doubt Disney would have OK'd Deadpool or Logan.


  • #50
    brianregan09
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    But isn't that just the point go back and read X-men or any of those , the fact that Fox had to disconnect two movies from there continuity and make them R Rated , Yes X Men 2 was decent , Days of Future Past was alright but both of them suffer from misuse of characters and leaning heavily on Wolverine

    Cyclops the leader of the X-men and one of the best characters has never been done justice just pushed aside anyway I could go on but it's my opinion looking forward to the MCU version


  • #51
    Johnmb
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    pjohnson wrote: »
    I highly doubt Disney would have OK'd Deadpool or Logan.
    Maybe not at the time, but now that they've been done, and made money, things may change in the future. Disney may keep around one of the Fox production companies in order to make non-family friendly movies, including some from the Marvel camp, or create a new brand one for more adult orientated content like the comics have done (e.g. MAX). I wouldn't expect R rated MCU films, but the likes of Deadpool could be kept out of the MCU, as well as other one-shot stories that don't use the main MCU characters. Even if they want to keep everything part of the MCU, they could do it along the lines of the Netflix series, technically there, but have no impact on the universe as a whole...


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