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selling milk direct from farm

  • 22-04-2017 01:18PM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 351 ✭✭


    Dose anyone know someone pasteurising and selling milk direct from the farm.
    Id say theirs alot of hoops to jump through to get up and running.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,186 ✭✭✭blackdog1


    farisfat wrote:
    Dose anyone know someone pasteurising and selling milk direct from the farm. Id say theirs alot of hoops to jump through to get up and running.


    I heard Ballymaloe are selling Unpasteurised milk straight from a jersey farm in their shop in Ballymaloe.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 725 ✭✭✭6480


    blackdog1 wrote: »
    I heard Ballymaloe are selling Unpasteurised milk straight from a jersey farm in their shop in Ballymaloe.

    No it's straight forward enough , a friend of mine is doing it and it's labeled as raw milk and he can't keep it bottled quick enough , he farms near a large town and sells in the local farmers market at the weekends , have to get talking to him about how he's getting on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 351 ✭✭farisfat


    Im watching lorries race from one end of the country to the other and back again.
    Can pasteurising and selling direct to door or local shop not leave more money in the farmers pocket.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,506 ✭✭✭✭BoatMad


    farisfat wrote: »
    Im watching lorries race from one end of the country to the other and back again.
    Can pasteurising and selling direct to door or local shop not leave more money in the farmers pocket.

    very cost ineffective to have small localised bottling plants, we used to have that situation , most have long gone.

    it would only work if people didnt seek to buy cheap milk


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 351 ✭✭farisfat


    BoatMad wrote: »
    very cost ineffective to have small localised bottling plants, we used to have that situation , most have long gone.

    it would only work if people didnt seek to buy cheap milk

    I don't think it could cost .70c to get milk from farm to door or.....I could be completely wrong..


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,181 ✭✭✭Lady Haywire


    There's a new raw milk company started near enough to me 'For Gut Sake' it's called & €2 for a litre. I don't use much milk so I don't mind paying a bit extra cause it's delicious.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,559 ✭✭✭pedigree 6


    There's a few farmers near me have started to bottle and sell their own milk.

    As Kowtow says it's a growing trend.

    It'll be all terry de loire before long here.:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,748 ✭✭✭ganmo


    farisfat wrote: »
    I don't think it could cost .70c to get milk from farm to door or.....I could be completely wrong..

    Let's crunch the numbers
    What's milk at the minute .32c?
    You need to buy bottles .30c ish
    And labels depends on volume say .15c
    A fridge to store it
    A delivery method van/stall at a market
    And then you have to deal with loosing your customers during the winter months and then trying to get them back in spring.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,559 ✭✭✭pedigree 6


    ganmo wrote: »
    Let's crunch the numbers
    What's milk at the minute .32c?
    You need to buy bottles .30c ish
    And labels depends on volume say .15c
    A fridge to store it
    A delivery method van/stall at a market
    And then you have to deal with loosing your customers during the winter months and then trying to get them back in spring.

    Why would you loose your customers during the winter?
    Cornflakes still need milk.

    How do you know how much a carton and label costs?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,748 ✭✭✭ganmo


    pedigree 6 wrote: »
    Why would you loose your customers during the winter?
    Cornflakes still need milk.

    How do know how much a carton and label costs?

    The carton cost is pulled out of my arse but the label cost is roughly right

    I'm assuming that the dairy farm is a typical one i.e. Not liquid milk


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,260 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Yeah, those figures for bottle and label are daft.
    Is it going to be pastuerised?
    I presume it's not being homogenised.
    Are you going to standardise the fat content?
    Is it a refridgerated van?

    Year round production and supply.

    There are farms selling it diff ways.
    There are also small local bottling plants in places.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,181 ✭✭✭Lady Haywire


    The last supplier (somewhere in Cork) I got raw milk off used to give a discount if you brought back your used bottles too.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,559 ✭✭✭pedigree 6


    ganmo wrote: »
    The carton cost is pulled out of my arse but the label cost is roughly right

    I'm assuming that the dairy farm is a typical one i.e. Not liquid milk

    If you're selling bottled milk it has to be liquid.
    (See what I did there).;)

    The guys who are bottling their own milk here would have been liquid suppliers anyway or just never had a compact calving herd. So are used to calving all year round.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,748 ✭✭✭ganmo


    Water John wrote: »
    Yeah, those figures for bottle and label are daft.
    Is it going to be pastuerised?
    I presume it's not being homogenised.
    Are you going to standardise the fat content?
    Is it a refridgerated van?

    Year round production and supply.

    There are farms selling it diff ways.
    There are also small local bottling plants in places.

    For small order high quality labels it's right, at least for the company I was dealing with.
    You can get refrigerated trailers so you mightn't need a fridge van


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,506 ✭✭✭✭BoatMad


    There is no way local farm orientated bottling would be cost effective , done on a local co-op basis , it might have some traction , but we tried this and it failed

    Also long term the sale of bottled raw milk is not sustainable


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,817 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    BoatMad wrote: »
    There is no way local farm orientated bottling would be cost effective , done on a local co-op basis , it might have some traction , but we tried this and it failed

    Also long term the sale of bottled raw milk is not sustainable
    Local farmer tried this too, the amount of paper work was beyond unbelievable


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 351 ✭✭farisfat


    ganmo wrote: »
    The carton cost is pulled out of my arse but the label cost is roughly right

    I'm assuming that the dairy farm is a typical one i.e. Not liquid milk
    Water John wrote: »
    Yeah, those figures for bottle and label are daft.
    Is it going to be pastuerised?
    I presume it's not being homogenised.
    Are you going to standardise the fat content?
    Is it a refridgerated van?

    Year round production and supply.

    There are farms selling it diff ways.
    There are also small local bottling plants in places.

    The farm is currently a spring calving herd...that woul have to change.

    The plan would be to pasteurise,i dont think id chance selling whole milk.
    Its only at the thinking stage at the moment......but when i get something into my héad i generally see it throigh.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,559 ✭✭✭pedigree 6


    BoatMad wrote: »
    There is no way local farm orientated bottling would be cost effective , done on a local co-op basis , it might have some traction , but we tried this and it failed

    Also long term the sale of bottled raw milk is not sustainable

    They said that about growing beet in this country too and yet people still grow beet here for fodder (which was supposed to be totally unsustainable).
    It appears farmers don't do their sums.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,506 ✭✭✭✭BoatMad


    farisfat wrote: »
    The farm is currently a spring calving herd...that woul have to change.

    The plan would be to pasteurise,i dont think id chance selling whole milk.
    Its only at the thinking stage at the moment......but when i get something into my héad i generally see it throigh.

    key it all into a spreadsheet , assume realistic costs , stress test cash by applying worst case costs against lowest sales


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,506 ✭✭✭✭BoatMad


    pedigree 6 wrote: »
    It appears farmers don't do their sums.

    Thats an understatement , at times


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 351 ✭✭farisfat


    BoatMad wrote: »
    There is no way local farm orientated bottling would be cost effective , done on a local co-op basis , it might have some traction , but we tried this and it failed

    Also long term the sale of bottled raw milk is not sustainable

    What do you think was the cause of failure boatmad


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,260 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Do the home work.
    See a local commercial brand in a few local shops.
    Initially, it would be easy enough to buy in, winter supplies.

    All the effort, may not be worth the margin. At any time in the research be prepared to walk away from it. Be very realistic to yourself.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,559 ✭✭✭pedigree 6


    BoatMad wrote: »
    key it all into a spreadsheet , assume realistic costs , stress test cash by applying worst case costs against lowest sales

    Surely you make your own sales though.
    I mean the producer is the salesman.
    If your not a salesman (with a quality product) forget it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 351 ✭✭farisfat


    pedigree 6 wrote: »
    Surely you make your own sales though.
    I mean the producer is the salesman.
    If your not a salesman (with a quality product) forget it.

    The product would have to stand out.....like pure jersey milk to get a Premium price.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,506 ✭✭✭✭BoatMad


    farisfat wrote: »
    What do you think was the cause of failure boatmad

    the need to stay within quite strict regulations and the issues that can arise if you dont


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,506 ✭✭✭✭BoatMad


    pedigree 6 wrote: »
    Surely you make your own sales though.
    I mean the producer is the salesman.
    If your not a salesman (with a quality product) forget it.

    well someone has to actually pay you money , those people are your sales figures


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,506 ✭✭✭✭BoatMad


    The main problem is that milk is too much of a commodity , which is why artisan producers move up the value chain to things like specialist cheeses and yoghurt etc. ( and high end ice-cream )


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,297 ✭✭✭✭Sam Kade


    There's a lady and her son producing lullaby milk in Kanturk it helps you sleep, they milk the cows at 2am to produce it. http://www.lullabymilk.com/

    I rang her about maiden heifers one time a fine tough lady. I asked her over the phone how much she wanted for them she answered how much will you pay. I said around 700, Hmmm was the reply :rolleyes: I was told after that they only have middling enough cows.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 351 ✭✭farisfat


    BoatMad wrote: »
    the need to stay within quite strict regulations and the issues that can arise if you dont

    Don't take mé up wrong boatmad.
    The reasons wasn't lack of sales or margin which i thought would be the answer.

    But some muppet with a pen.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,559 ✭✭✭pedigree 6


    Sam Kade wrote: »
    There's a lady and her son producing lullaby milk in Kanturk it helps you sleep, they milk the cows at 2am to produce it. http://www.lullabymilk.com/

    I rang her about maiden heifers one time a fine tough lady. I asked her over the phone how much she wanted for them she answered how much will you pay. I said around 700, Hmmm was the reply :rolleyes: I was told after that they only have middling enough cows.
    Milked once a day?
    Or two tanks?

    Middling depends on your viewpoint.
    That cow that Charolais showed making 2700 wouldn't be my cup of tea at all yet someone else was willing to pay that.


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