selling milk direct from farm

farisfat

Dose anyone know someone pasteurising and selling milk direct from the farm.
Id say theirs alot of hoops to jump through to get up and running.

blackdog1

farisfat wrote:

Dose anyone know someone pasteurising and selling milk direct from the farm. Id say theirs alot of hoops to jump through to get up and running.

I heard Ballymaloe are selling Unpasteurised milk straight from a jersey farm in their shop in Ballymaloe.

6480

blackdog1 wrote: »

I heard Ballymaloe are selling Unpasteurised milk straight from a jersey farm in their shop in Ballymaloe.

No it's straight forward enough , a friend of mine is doing it and it's labeled as raw milk and he can't keep it bottled quick enough , he farms near a large town and sells in the local farmers market at the weekends , have to get talking to him about how he's getting on

farisfat

Im watching lorries race from one end of the country to the other and back again.
Can pasteurising and selling direct to door or local shop not leave more money in the farmers pocket.

BoatMad

farisfat wrote: »

Im watching lorries race from one end of the country to the other and back again.
Can pasteurising and selling direct to door or local shop not leave more money in the farmers pocket.

very cost ineffective to have small localised bottling plants, we used to have that situation , most have long gone.

it would only work if people didnt seek to buy cheap milk

farisfat

BoatMad wrote: »

very cost ineffective to have small localised bottling plants, we used to have that situation , most have long gone.

it would only work if people didnt seek to buy cheap milk

I don't think it could cost .70c to get milk from farm to door or.....I could be completely wrong..

Lady Haywire

There's a new raw milk company started near enough to me 'For Gut Sake' it's called & €2 for a litre. I don't use much milk so I don't mind paying a bit extra cause it's delicious.

pedigree 6

There's a few farmers near me have started to bottle and sell their own milk.

As Kowtow says it's a growing trend.

It'll be all terry de loire before long here.:)

ganmo

farisfat wrote: »

I don't think it could cost .70c to get milk from farm to door or.....I could be completely wrong..

Let's crunch the numbers
What's milk at the minute .32c?
You need to buy bottles .30c ish
And labels depends on volume say .15c
A fridge to store it
A delivery method van/stall at a market
And then you have to deal with loosing your customers during the winter months and then trying to get them back in spring.

pedigree 6

ganmo wrote: »

Let's crunch the numbers
What's milk at the minute .32c?
You need to buy bottles .30c ish
And labels depends on volume say .15c
A fridge to store it
A delivery method van/stall at a market
And then you have to deal with loosing your customers during the winter months and then trying to get them back in spring.

Why would you loose your customers during the winter?
Cornflakes still need milk.

How do you know how much a carton and label costs?

ganmo

pedigree 6 wrote: »

Why would you loose your customers during the winter?
Cornflakes still need milk.

How do know how much a carton and label costs?

The carton cost is pulled out of my arse but the label cost is roughly right

I'm assuming that the dairy farm is a typical one i.e. Not liquid milk

Water John

Yeah, those figures for bottle and label are daft.
Is it going to be pastuerised?
I presume it's not being homogenised.
Are you going to standardise the fat content?
Is it a refridgerated van?

Year round production and supply.

There are farms selling it diff ways.
There are also small local bottling plants in places.

Lady Haywire

The last supplier (somewhere in Cork) I got raw milk off used to give a discount if you brought back your used bottles too.

pedigree 6

ganmo wrote: »

The carton cost is pulled out of my arse but the label cost is roughly right

I'm assuming that the dairy farm is a typical one i.e. Not liquid milk

If you're selling bottled milk it has to be liquid.
(See what I did there).;)

The guys who are bottling their own milk here would have been liquid suppliers anyway or just never had a compact calving herd. So are used to calving all year round.

ganmo

Water John wrote: »

Yeah, those figures for bottle and label are daft.
Is it going to be pastuerised?
I presume it's not being homogenised.
Are you going to standardise the fat content?
Is it a refridgerated van?

Year round production and supply.

There are farms selling it diff ways.
There are also small local bottling plants in places.

For small order high quality labels it's right, at least for the company I was dealing with.
You can get refrigerated trailers so you mightn't need a fridge van

BoatMad

There is no way local farm orientated bottling would be cost effective , done on a local co-op basis , it might have some traction , but we tried this and it failed

Also long term the sale of bottled raw milk is not sustainable

whelan2

BoatMad wrote: »

There is no way local farm orientated bottling would be cost effective , done on a local co-op basis , it might have some traction , but we tried this and it failed

Also long term the sale of bottled raw milk is not sustainable

Local farmer tried this too, the amount of paper work was beyond unbelievable

farisfat

ganmo wrote: »

The carton cost is pulled out of my arse but the label cost is roughly right

I'm assuming that the dairy farm is a typical one i.e. Not liquid milk

Water John wrote: »

Yeah, those figures for bottle and label are daft.
Is it going to be pastuerised?
I presume it's not being homogenised.
Are you going to standardise the fat content?
Is it a refridgerated van?

Year round production and supply.

There are farms selling it diff ways.
There are also small local bottling plants in places.

The farm is currently a spring calving herd...that woul have to change.

The plan would be to pasteurise,i dont think id chance selling whole milk.
Its only at the thinking stage at the moment......but when i get something into my héad i generally see it throigh.

pedigree 6

BoatMad wrote: »

There is no way local farm orientated bottling would be cost effective , done on a local co-op basis , it might have some traction , but we tried this and it failed

Also long term the sale of bottled raw milk is not sustainable

They said that about growing beet in this country too and yet people still grow beet here for fodder (which was supposed to be totally unsustainable).
It appears farmers don't do their sums.

BoatMad

farisfat wrote: »

The farm is currently a spring calving herd...that woul have to change.

The plan would be to pasteurise,i dont think id chance selling whole milk.
Its only at the thinking stage at the moment......but when i get something into my héad i generally see it throigh.

key it all into a spreadsheet , assume realistic costs , stress test cash by applying worst case costs against lowest sales

BoatMad

pedigree 6 wrote: »

It appears farmers don't do their sums.

Thats an understatement , at times

farisfat

BoatMad wrote: »

There is no way local farm orientated bottling would be cost effective , done on a local co-op basis , it might have some traction , but we tried this and it failed

Also long term the sale of bottled raw milk is not sustainable

What do you think was the cause of failure boatmad

Water John

Do the home work.
See a local commercial brand in a few local shops.
Initially, it would be easy enough to buy in, winter supplies.

All the effort, may not be worth the margin. At any time in the research be prepared to walk away from it. Be very realistic to yourself.

pedigree 6

BoatMad wrote: »

key it all into a spreadsheet , assume realistic costs , stress test cash by applying worst case costs against lowest sales

Surely you make your own sales though.
I mean the producer is the salesman.
If your not a salesman (with a quality product) forget it.

farisfat

pedigree 6 wrote: »

Surely you make your own sales though.
I mean the producer is the salesman.
If your not a salesman (with a quality product) forget it.

The product would have to stand out.....like pure jersey milk to get a Premium price.

BoatMad

farisfat wrote: »

What do you think was the cause of failure boatmad

the need to stay within quite strict regulations and the issues that can arise if you dont

BoatMad

pedigree 6 wrote: »

Surely you make your own sales though.
I mean the producer is the salesman.
If your not a salesman (with a quality product) forget it.

well someone has to actually pay you money , those people are your sales figures

BoatMad

The main problem is that milk is too much of a commodity , which is why artisan producers move up the value chain to things like specialist cheeses and yoghurt etc. ( and high end ice-cream )

Sam Kade

There's a lady and her son producing lullaby milk in Kanturk it helps you sleep, they milk the cows at 2am to produce it. http://www.lullabymilk.com/

I rang her about maiden heifers one time a fine tough lady. I asked her over the phone how much she wanted for them she answered how much will you pay. I said around 700, Hmmm was the reply :rolleyes: I was told after that they only have middling enough cows.

farisfat

BoatMad wrote: »

the need to stay within quite strict regulations and the issues that can arise if you dont

Don't take mé up wrong boatmad.
The reasons wasn't lack of sales or margin which i thought would be the answer.

But some muppet with a pen.

pedigree 6

Sam Kade wrote: »

There's a lady and her son producing lullaby milk in Kanturk it helps you sleep, they milk the cows at 2am to produce it. http://www.lullabymilk.com/

I rang her about maiden heifers one time a fine tough lady. I asked her over the phone how much she wanted for them she answered how much will you pay. I said around 700, Hmmm was the reply :rolleyes: I was told after that they only have middling enough cows.

Milked once a day?
Or two tanks?

Middling depends on your viewpoint.
That cow that Charolais showed making 2700 wouldn't be my cup of tea at all yet someone else was willing to pay that.

BoatMad

Sam Kade wrote: »

There's a lady and her son producing lullaby milk in Kanturk it helps you sleep, they milk the cows at 2am to produce it. http://www.lullabymilk.com/

I rang her about maiden heifers one time a fine tough lady. I asked her over the phone how much she wanted for them she answered how much will you pay. I said around 700, Hmmm was the reply :rolleyes: I was told after that they only have middling enough cows.

as with all foods, there is a critical analysis

http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/adult-health/expert-answers/melatonin-side-effects/faq-20057874

one could always just buy a few melatonin tablets

( or snake oil )

BoatMad

farisfat wrote: »

Don't take mé up wrong boatmad.
The reasons wasn't lack of sales or margin which i thought would be the answer.

But some muppet with a pen.

thats what I said

but the fact remains that the muppet with a pen , is a fact of life and products that are subject to controls and regulations are just that .

pedigree 6

BoatMad wrote: »

as with all foods, there is a critical analysis

http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/adult-health/expert-answers/melatonin-side-effects/faq-20057874

one could always just buy a few melatonin tablets

( or snake oil )

After reading that i'd rather drink the milk.:)

BoatMad

pedigree 6 wrote: »

After reading that i'd rather drink the milk.:)

or avoid melatonin anyway in any form !!!

Base price

Oh how I would love to be able to buy raw milk locally in the shops here. I can buy it in my local supermarket in NCD in glass bottles that stay super cold in the fridge - like it was when I was a child.
We Irish are suckers for rules and regulations to the point that we are prepared to accept the status quo. Unfortunately we do not have the laissez faire attitude of the French.

Sam Kade

pedigree 6 wrote: »

Milked once a day?
Or two tanks?

Middling depends on your viewpoint.
That cow that Charolais showed making 2700 wouldn't be my cup of tea at all yet someone else was willing to pay that.

Milked twice a day, I presume they use the 2am milk for lullaby. Middling not my view point, my ai man went to look at calves she had for sale and he said they weren't anything spectacular for the price she wanted for them

farisfat

BoatMad wrote: »

thats what I said

but the fact remains that the muppet with a pen , is a fact of life and products that are subject to controls and regulations are just that .

i'm sure the big operaters would use all their powers to keep a lid ón small operaters getting up and running.

BoatMad

Unfortunately we do not have the laissez faire attitude of the French.

who , on inspection and having lived there , complain like we do , but accept those self same rules just like we do to.

BoatMad

farisfat wrote: »

i'm sure the big operaters would use all their powers to keep a lid ón small operaters getting up and running.

I see no specific evidence of that

Lady Haywire

Base price wrote: »

Oh how I would love to be able to buy raw milk locally in the shops here. I can buy it in my local supermarket in NCD in glass bottles that stay super cold in the fridge - like it was when I was a child.
We Irish are suckers for rules and regulations to the point that we are prepared to accept the status quo. Unfortunately we do not have the laissez faire attitude of the French.

Fresh Today at the red cow Longford now stock it

BoatMad

I cant quite see the attraction of raw milk , even if I had plenty of it as a young'un , I have seen the evidence of what happens when raw milk is not up to standard

farisfat

BoatMad wrote: »

I cant quite see the attraction of raw milk , even if I had plenty of it as a young'un , I have seen the evidence of what happens when raw milk is not up to standard

And i think anyone selling it is leaving themselves open to a law suit when that happens.

pedigree 6

BoatMad wrote: »

I cant quite see the attraction of raw milk , even if I had plenty of it as a young'un , I have seen the evidence of what happens when raw milk is not up to standard

Who's going to sell substandard milk?

I know this subject on raw milk could and will go on till the cows come home.

If a farmer is not able to drink his/hers own herds milk then don't buy from them.

I'm bowing out now because this will go on and on.

Just to say that we're drinking our own milk here all our lives and never drank or produced substandard milk.

farisfat

pedigree 6 wrote: »

Who's going to sell substandard milk?

I know this subject on raw milk could and will on go till the cows come home.

If a farmer is not able to drink his/hers own herds milk then don't buy from them.

I'm bowing out now because this will go on and on.

Just to say that we're drinking our own milk here all our lives and never drank or produced substandard milk.

How can you or anyone else tell when your cows have something underlying.

pedigree 6

farisfat wrote: »

How can you or anyone else tell when your cows have something underlying.

The milks tested.
The cows are tested.

BoatMad

pedigree 6 wrote: »

Who's going to sell substandard milk?
.

or substandard beef ?,

Water John

Raw milk is a very niche market. Most small operators sell pastuerised non homogenised.

Look at the shelves in any shop. Look at the diff in price between branded and generic milk.
That gives some insight into customers.
It's not all about price.

farisfat

pedigree 6 wrote: »

The milks tested.
The cows are tested.

So is mine but how can any farmer be sure that their cows aren't going to come into contact with something at any time.

pedigree 6

BoatMad wrote: »

or substandard beef ?,

Now you're just stirring.:mad:

You know well enough that had nothing to do with the primary producer.

Water John

The Boat has veered off the water into the field.