Bouncer punches woman who tried to punch him.

One eyed Jack · 21-04-2017 03:27PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

you admitted to being biased. you were not accused of it.

Not biased in the way Pats trying to insinuate though, jury bias is a known phenomenon and of course assumptions are going to be made. In this case I initially assumed it was actually being made out to be worse than it was given that there were so many posters quick to leap to the assault/self-defence "definition by law" stuff, but unless we were actually in a court of law which is the only place it would actually be relevant, I wouldn't advise anyone to take anything written here regarding this particular case seriously.

ZeitgeistGlee wrote: »

Still waiting on an answer to this one Jack.

Sorry Z, I genuinely hadn't seen it, but I thought it was clear from my posts that I hold women to the same standard - her behaviour was that of a scumbag too, and I said from the very beginning of the thread that two wrongs don't make a right, but because as a man I would have an inherent bias, I'm more concerned about holding men to that standard than women whose behaviour some MRA types would refer to as an example of "toxic femininiteeee". Same standards alright, equally mind-numbingly stupid arguments for their idea of "gender equaliteeee".

ohnonotgmail · 21-04-2017 03:37PM

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Not biased in the way Pats trying to insinuate though, jury bias is a known phenomenon and of course assumptions are going to be made. In this case I initially assumed it was actually being made out to be worse than it was given that there were so many posters quick to leap to the assault/self-defence "definition by law" stuff, but unless we were actually in a court of law which is the only place it would actually be relevant, I wouldn't advise anyone to take anything written here regarding this particular case seriously.

The law didnt just appear out of nowhere. It is pretty well established that people have a right to defend themselves. As did this bouncer. It is only the permanently outraged who think otherwise.

One eyed Jack · 21-04-2017 03:59PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

The law didnt just appear out of nowhere. It is pretty well established that people have a right to defend themselves. As did this bouncer. It is only the permanently outraged who think otherwise.

Of course he'd every right to defend himself, and now he's being investigated to determine whether his act of self-defence was disproportionate. In my opinion it was, even moreso than I initially thought it was when I saw the video. He'd already ducked the attempted assault, and lashing out at her like that was unnecessary IMO, but there's a high degree of probability IMO that he did it because he was under the impression he was able to, not because he had to.

EDIT: I'm far from the permanently outraged type either, I don't see that it should be acceptable to use disproportionate force against anyone and claim they would have wanted it that way, equal rights yo!

Glenster · 21-04-2017 04:05PM

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Of course he'd every right to defend himself, and now he's being investigated to determine whether his act of self-defence was disproportionate. In my opinion it was, even moreso than I initially thought it was when I saw the video. He'd already ducked the attempted assault, and lashing out at her like that was unnecessary IMO, but there's a high degree of probability IMO that he did it because he was under the impression he was able to, not because he had to.

This is really annoying me.

He didn't punch her in vengeance for the first swing.

The confrontation wasn't over when she swung and missed, he ended it by punching her.

He stopped the attack.

ohnonotgmail · 21-04-2017 04:11PM

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Of course he'd every right to defend himself, and now he's being investigated to determine whether his act of self-defence was disproportionate. In my opinion it was, even moreso than I initially thought it was when I saw the video. He'd already ducked the attempted assault, and lashing out at her like that was unnecessary IMO, but there's a high degree of probability IMO that he did it because he was under the impression he was able to, not because he had to.

EDIT: I'm far from the permanently outraged type either, I don't see that it should be acceptable to use disproportionate force against anyone and claim they would have wanted it that way, equal rights yo!

if the bouncer had stepped back after the woman attempted to punch him, stepped forward and THEN punched her i would agree. but that is not what happened. it was a counter-punch. entirely justified.

Glenster · 21-04-2017 04:14PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

if the bouncer had stepped back after the woman attempted to punch him, stepped forward and THEN punched her i would agree. but that is not what happened. it was a counter-punch. entirely justified.

Right shoulder and X in Street Fighter.

ohnonotgmail · 21-04-2017 04:17PM

Glenster wrote: »

Right shoulder and X in Street Fighter.

pilly · 21-04-2017 04:18PM

Glenster wrote: »

Right shoulder and X in Street Fighter.

Jesus H, that's what scares me.

diomed · 21-04-2017 04:19PM

She should get the house, custody of the children, half his wages, and half his pension.
That's the standard for 2nd place in a fight.

Contessa Raven · 21-04-2017 04:41PM

From what I see in the video it was more of a smack and less of a thump. I didn't see his hand balled into a fist. Looked pretty flat. It also didn't knock her off her feet. He just slapped her in the face and she stumbled back presumably from the shock more than anything else.

She swung at him with intent to harm him. He isn't to know if she has a weapon that she can grab with her other hand so in my opinion, he did right to knock her away with force. It doesn't look like he even hurt her.

soups05 · 21-04-2017 05:02PM

I followed this thread over the past 35 pages and it has gone round and round. Let me put a new variation in if I can. Back in Jan I was attacked by two men (children some would call them as they were 20 years old) now am no fighter and it was unexpected so i went down fast lol. My son (25) and daughter(23) came out and saved my ass.
My point is that my daughter was well able to knock one of them down, breaking his nose in the process. The scumbag did not give a damn about equal rights, or the whole "never hit a woman" idea that most men are brought up with. he was swinging for my daughter just like the woman in the video was swinging for the bouncer.
Scumbags don't play by the rules of normal society, be they male or female. I have seen women become vicious in a fight far more often than men. I was attacked by a drunken female friend of my wife years ago and did the whole push her back, keep her at a distance act and it did not work, she kept coming till she tripped over and landed on her ass then cried that i hit her. I could easily have done time for that if it were not for the cctv showing my innocence.
Too many women turned into the lad culture during the boom, drink hard, fight hard, take on anyone cos they can't hit back. now they are paying the price. My daughter took kickboxing for years, not just to protect herself from aggressive men, but also aggressive women. its not male v female it normal people v scumbags. in this fight the scumbag just happened to be female.

For all the brave souls who would never hit a woman, no matter what, try rocking up to your local town center on a sat night and see how long your good manner last in the real world.

21-04-2017 05:05PM

alpha13 wrote: »

yes it still can be instinctive.. martial arts students do it all the time..you train the moves and reactions and the body reacts in the situation and calculates the best option even down to the level of force used..all on auto reaction...
also... yes doorstaff restrain people all the time..but you wont see a single doorman restraining a female very often.... only if there is a number of them and even then very wary nowadys...

There are two doorstaff there, you can see the second one at the end of the video

MadDog76 · 21-04-2017 05:09PM

riffmongous wrote: »

There are two doorstaff there, you can see the second one at the end of the video

You sure? I've just looked at the video again and I can't see a second doorman??

Anyway, for the punch being thrown at the bouncer, he was alone.

21-04-2017 05:11PM

MadDog76 wrote: »

You sure? I've just looked at the video again and I can't see a second doorman??

Anyway, for the punch being thrown at the bouncer, he was alone.

It's hard to see in the one linked in the OP as they blurred the faces, but if you watch another version of it you can see him, he was keeping an eye on the second girl by the looks of it.

See him here, he's bald
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4420800/Bouncer-punches-woman-FACE-takes-swing-him.html

MadDog76 · 21-04-2017 05:12PM

riffmongous wrote: »

It's hard to see in the one linked in the OP as they blurred the faces, but if you watch another version of it you can see him, he was keeping an eye on the second girl by the looks of it.

Crowd control so, standard.

Glenster · 21-04-2017 05:13PM

soups05 wrote: »

For all the brave souls who would never hit a woman, no matter what, try rocking up to your local town center on a sat night and see how long your good manner last in the real world.

Exactly.

Men = women.

Humans > Scumbags

darced · 21-04-2017 05:16PM

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21-04-2017 05:18PM

Oh an update!

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3378293/model-who-was-filmed-being-brutally-punched-by-a-burly-nightclub-bouncer-denies-provoking-attack/

See claims she got up on a table to dance inside and he grabbed her down and dragged her outside and she's got the bruises to prove (she claims and shows some nasty looking ones in some pics), although she struggles to remember 'the exact course of events'. She also claims 'self defense'. That throws some gas on the fire

MadDog76 · 21-04-2017 05:22PM

LexieOnRale wrote: »

Articles online (she spoke to the sun if you want to look for it) she was dancing on tables and bouncer pulled her off the table to put her out. She feels she had the right to throw the punch in defence because he didn't ask her to get off the table first

riffmongous wrote: »

Oh an update!

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3378293/model-who-was-filmed-being-brutally-punched-by-a-burly-nightclub-bouncer-denies-provoking-attack/

See claims she got up on a table to dance inside and he grabbed her down and dragged her outside and she's got the bruises to prove (she claims and shows some nasty looking ones in some pics), although she struggles to remember 'the exact course of events'. She also claims 'self defense'. That throws some gas on the fire

Lexie gave us that update 8/9 pages ago!

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 21-04-2017 05:25PM

That's me maddog - always ahead with the updates

21-04-2017 05:26PM

MadDog76 wrote: »

Lexie gave us that update 8/9 pages ago!

Bollocks.I gave up following the thread, I just reply to people who quote me so I didn't see it

ohnonotgmail · 21-04-2017 05:27PM

riffmongous wrote: »

Oh an update!

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3378293/model-who-was-filmed-being-brutally-punched-by-a-burly-nightclub-bouncer-denies-provoking-attack/

See claims she got up on a table to dance inside and he grabbed her down and dragged her outside and she's got the bruises to prove (she claims and shows some nasty looking ones in some pics), although she struggles to remember 'the exact course of events'. She also claims 'self defense'. That throws some gas on the fire

she throws the first punch and then claims self defence? rumpole of the bailey she is not.

MadDog76 · 21-04-2017 05:30PM

riffmongous wrote: »

Bollocks.I gave up following the thread, I just reply to people who quote me so I didn't see it

You should know from reading this thread that you can't beat the girls!

One eyed Jack · 21-04-2017 05:51PM

soups05 wrote: »

For all the brave souls who would never hit a woman, no matter what, try rocking up to your local town center on a sat night and see how long your good manner last in the real world.

My good manner lasts just fine, and I've walked home sh*t-faced on my own many nights in many scumholes. My local city centre isn't any different than anywhere else and I'll often forego a cab at night in favour of walking home because quite frankly I need the exercise - I'm not the fit fcuk I once was, and more like the fat bastard I shouldn't be! :pac:

Summer wind · 21-04-2017 05:54PM

Well I've watched the video and read the thread. The conclusion I've come to is that both of them are in the wrong. Absolutely disgusting to see a woman in that state and a completely over the top reaction from the man.

Galwayguy35 · 21-04-2017 06:03PM

pilly wrote: »

A punch to the face? Absolutely. Unless the woman is a trained assassin then any man worth his salt could restrain her in many different ways without punching her in the face.

You really don't seem to know what you're talking about.

I've seen a man who was over 6 ft bottled by a woman he was trying to clam down.

Take someone by surprise and even it they're bigger they could get hurt.

beauf · 21-04-2017 06:11PM

soups05 wrote: »

...For all the brave souls who would never hit a woman, no matter what, try rocking up to your local town center on a sat night and see how long your good manner last in the real world.

That it was a woman, I don't think is most peoples concern with it.

Sofiztikated · 21-04-2017 06:22PM

Ah FFS, why exactly did she need to show her bruises, wearing nowt but a thong? Bruises on her arm, thigh and lower leg.

Usual bull**** from the wannabe famous crowd, and The Sun (I can't believe I looked at that poxy site,) propagating it.

A Little Pony · 21-04-2017 06:25PM

She tried to assault him, he smacked her in the face, she deserved it.

Dublin Pintman · 21-04-2017 07:47PM

pilly wrote: »

Defend themselves against what? A drunken woman taking a swing? No defence needed.

Neither of my sons are ashamed of anything thank you very much. Very happy, well adjusted men with the utmost of respect for women.

Both have seen the video and think that he's a scumbag and a joke of a bouncer. They think it's a joke actually that someone who's supposed to be a trained "bouncer" needs to punch anyone.

Someone who instinctively takes a swing at a woman is the type of abusive arsehole who would hit his girlfriend/wife anyway. Also the type who wouldn't punch a man the same size as himself for fear he'd get as good back if not worse.

Both of my lads tell me that all of their friends think the same so Boards is obviously not representative on this issue. Doesn't surprise me though given the amount on here that are purely keyboard warriors.

Thanks be to ****.

So you've trained your boys not to defend themselves just because their attacker is a woman. Lol top notch parenting there.

Why on earth should you accept violence from just because it comes from a woman?

Someone attacks me and the gloves are off. My children will be taught the same.

Bouncer punches woman who tried to punch him.

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