Bouncer punches woman who tried to punch him.

BattleCorp

http://theliberal.ie/video-a-bouncer-is-being-interview-by-police-after-punching-a-woman-in-the-face-after-she-swung-at-him/

The bouncer is currently under police investigation for punching a woman after she threw a punch at him. Would he be under investigation if he had hit back at a man who tried to deck him?

What do you reckon folks, did the bouncer do right?

I'm kind of conflicted on this one. I absolutely believe that it's a scummy thing for a man to hit a woman but equally you can't allow half the population free reign to lash out at men either.

I think I'm going to go with equal rights here and say that he did right. She tried to assault him and the argument could be made that he acted in self defence.

Am I in the minority in thinking this?

Timberrrrrrrr

She deserved it, swing at someone you expect to get hit back.

Kimbot

Hitting a woman is a scummy thing to do.

But if a woman hits a man its also scummy.

bodice ripper

I think it's probably appropriate to investigate whenever a bouncer punches someone square in the face

Winterlong

Yup, she cannot be surprised that violence is met with violence regardless of the sex of the other person.

red ears

Her swing was hilarious, he could have went for a cup of tea and came back and her swing would still be on its way.

Paddy Cow

I'm all for self defense but I watched the video and she was no threat. I would say the same thing if she was a man. She was so drunk he easily ducked her pathetic punch. He could easily restrained her or pushed her over. In this case it was a complete over reaction on his part.

whoopsadoodles

Nice duck.

Paddy Cow

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

She deserved it, so g at someone you expect to get hit back.

If someone has a go at you, you have a right to defend your self appropriately. She was no threat here and didn't even hit him. His reaction was not proportionate.

The man/woman angle is stupid. There are plenty of women who could cause damage in a fight but this woman was not one of them.

BattleCorp

She wouldn't have got a smack in the face if she had manners and didn't try to hit the bouncer in the first place.

theteal

"...if she had a bottle?"

cruizer101

Shouldn't have punched her not because she was a woman but because a punch wasn't required in this case. Bouncers should have restraint, they are generally dealing with drunk people and in this case someone who was obviously a lot weaker so actually punching as opposed to pushing away or restraining should be a last resort (maybe not quite last resort but definitely down the line)

Winterlong

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkVbli3AG9o

Sabre0001

She did well to stay on her feet - leaning into the punch, already off balance, high heels and looks like the ground might be wet. Another few rounds and she'd take him!

Grayditch

Return of the *SMACK*

Dublin Pintman

Equality in action. Prp tip: never start a fight with someone bigger than you.

learn_more

I think the person who throws a punch deserves a punch back, woman or no woman.

HigginsJ

Can't have been that much of a punch considering she was left standing, I was expecting something much worse.

That being said, he is a bouncer, he was in no real danger even if she had connected, so he should be looking to defuse the situation which he easily could have done.

jca

Ha ha he did right with her, scummy bitch.

You're allowed use reasonable force to defend yourself. As far as I'm concerned if someone comes at you it's reasonable to assume they're a threat until it's very clear otherwise. Obviously the Rambos will say he should just bearhug her and use some nifty stuff to neutralise her. **** that. If he gets her in a bear hug she can gouge, stamp, bite still.
I would say fair play to him but a swing like that and she's still standing in heels. :P

minikin

Liverpool is in Ireland now? When did that happen?

davo2001

Woman goes to punch man, man ducks and punches woman in self defence.

Where's the issue?

AudreyHepburn

I'm not a fan of violence in general regardless of the agressor's gender but I can only sympathize with the bouncer here.

I mean what's he supposed to do....stand there quietly while the woman hits him just because she's a she?

greencap

I think he took advantage of the situation.

Western culture is presently on an equality trip thats gone too far.

Men and women are different, that must be accepted, it answers many questions.

Saying the opposite works to the favor of the woman who's been unfairly mistreated or dismissed as not as capable when she was all along.

This punching situation however, is the price paid for the above womans benefit.

By all means he had the right to an open hand ol' west style bitch slap.

But not a full punch, thats too dangerous.


In a more 50's scenario he'd be in trouble.
But then again, in a more 50's scenario women would be told they shouldn't look to progress in a career.

The rough comes with the smooth.
Can't have it both ways - you're equal or you're not.

TerrorFirmer

Looks like a sort of instinctual smack to me. It's not like he had a good long think about it and then punched her. She swung aggressively, he countered with what was, from the looks of it, not a full force hit but more of a smack or clout.

I think she got what she deserved - as to whether or not the bouncer should be investigated, I'd be inclined to say no given the circumstances, he didn't exactly brutalise her and she certainly started it and invited it on herself.

Don't know if it's true or not but apparently she had been ejected before that for rowdy behavior.

The_Kew_Tour

That's Liverpool women for ya :P

Watched it and while I think if a woman attacks a man he has to be able to defend himself, I don't think she was putting much of fist fight here.

Think he was ott, but she was in the wrong too, she did draw the first punch.

One eyed Jack

BattleCorp wrote: »

What do you reckon folks, did the bouncer do right?

I'm kind of conflicted on this one. I absolutely believe that it's a scummy thing for a man to hit a woman but equally you can't allow half the population free reign to lash out at men either.

I think I'm going to go with equal rights here and say that he did right. She tried to assault him and the argument could be made that he acted in self defence.

Am I in the minority in thinking this?

No, the scumbag didn't do right, and that's all he is. There's no "equal rights" argument here when the doorman is in a position where he is obliged to behave in a professional manner. Patrons are only obliged not to behave like scumbags. Two wrongs don't make a right.

The Pheasant2

If you're gonna resort to violence expect violence in return - gender shouldn't come into it

eviltwin

If you are prepared to dish it then you have to be prepared to take it.

silverharp

Winterlong wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkVbli3AG9o

whoever is still taking vertical videos in 2017 should be punched

punisher5112

She was the aggressor so deserved it.

Its one of those things in the fight or flight mode.

His punch was not a proper full force one as if he had she would have went down like a sack of potatoes.

Simple solution don't go starting and these things won't tend to happen.

AudreyHepburn

One eyed Jack wrote: »

No, the scumbag didn't do right, and that's all he is. There's no "equal rights" argument here when the doorman is in a position where he is obliged to behave in a professional manner. Patrons are only obliged not to behave like scumbags. Two wrongs don't make a right.

So he's a scumbag for trying to defend himself?

Cop on, she came at him with intent to harm him....bouncer or not he's entitled to defend himself.

Patrons are obliged not to behave like animals or use threatening or violent behaviour.....she did both.

GLaDOS

Yeah thought it looked instinctual to me. Duck, hit, remove the threat.

We've no idea what was going on previous to the video as well.

No sympathy for her anyway.

Baron Kurtz

He needs firing. Landed her one on the mush and she was still standing.

Daledge

+1 on the "Can't take it, don't dish it" argument. It's pretty simple, gender doesn't come into it, you hit someone expect a wallop back.

valoren

THHHHHHHWAAAACKK!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Caliden

Punch like a man, get hit like a man.


It's a shame it had to come to that but you can't ask someone not to react to a punch being thrown at them.

Outlaw Pete

If you watch the punch on better quality video than the one posted here, you can see that the bouncer doesn't really have his fist clenched and it's more of a reaction than anything, which is why she didn't fall.

I'm in two minds on this as bouncers are well trained (or most are) and he could have grabbed her after avoiding the punch and shoved her away, then called the authorities on her or whatever.

There are a ton of these videos on YT over recent years and it does seem women (not just drunk ones, sober ones also) and squaring up to men more and more with what appears to be genuine belief that they can take a man on and knock seven bells out of him. I blame the movies tbh as the sheer amount of films were a woman will knee a guy in the balls, or knock him out with one punch and then walk off unscathed is staggering.

I used to call it the Chuck Norris effect when it was young lads in the 80's & 90's taking on much bigger blokes, not sure what I'd call it now... but it's a phenomena I tells ya.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=putcPEfNPAA

PARlance

Not sure about the punch but that song is much more palatable when slowed down.

maximoose

When his hand comes into view his palm is open, looks like a slap not a punch

biko

minikin wrote: »

Liverpool is in Ireland now? When did that happen?

Liverpool is England's answer to Drogheda.

Mint Sauce

If she was coming at him with a weapon, and he was at risk, then yeah, you could make a defence for him, but in this case, I think she could have easily been restrained after the duck, without belting her one.

Response totally inappropriate here.

One eyed Jack

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

So he's a scumbag for trying to defend himself?

Cop on, she came at him with intent to harm him....bouncer or not he's entitled to defend himself.

Patrons are obliged not to behave like animals or use threatening or violent behaviour.....she did both.

Nobody's a scumbag for trying to defend themselves. The doorman in this incident is a scumbag for his behaviour. I was a doorman for a number of years and I never punched anyone. I never had to, because when they resorted to violence, they were easily restrained.

It's probably not as satisfying to do that though if you're a scumbag who gets his jollies from thumping people and claiming equal rights or self-defence bollocks afterwards.

Balmed Out

maximoose wrote: »

When his hand comes into view his palm is open, looks like a slap not a punch

I agree watched a few times and looks like he slapped her, an actual punch from him to a drunk girl in heels and she wouldn't be standing afterwards.

Chancer3001

I hope he broke her tooth and it costs her 1000s to fix it.

Might teach her a lesson

AudreyHepburn

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Nobody's a scumbag for trying to defend themselves. The doorman in this incident is a scumbag for his behaviour. I was a doorman for a number of years and I never punched anyone. I never had to, because when they resorted to violence, they were easily restrained.

It's probably not as satisfying to do that though if you're a scumbag who gets his jollies from thumping people and claiming equal rights or self-defence bollocks afterwards.

You know nothing about what type of man this bouncer is or how he 'gets his jollies' as you so eloquently put so I'd suggest you stop jumping to unfair conclusions.

He acted in self defence....nothing wrong with that

s15r330

He slapped her if anything and the tramp deserved it

Balmed Out

May well have been the 20th time she punched him too, had to be something beforehand for the camera to be out.

One eyed Jack

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

You know nothing about what type of man this bouncer is or how he 'gets his jollies' as you so eloquently put so I'd suggest you stop jumping to unfair conclusions.

He acted in self defence....nothing wrong with that

I've seen enough of his type of behaviour to know on the balance of probabilities what kind of a person he is. There aren't too many of them around thankfully. Acting in self-defence means to use appropriate action to defend oneself. Punching a drunk woman? Scumbag.

PREG1967

Men are fighting a losing battle against other men, majority of men are more feminist than women

Glenster

6.50pm though...

That's the outrageous thing in this story.