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    #1412
    schemingbohemia
    Registered Users Posts: 5,606 ✭✭✭schemingbohemia


    Chuchote wrote: »
    What or where is this Gilligan interview?

    Linked in this post

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=103263267&postcount=1401


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    #1413
    Chuchote
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,368 ✭✭✭Chuchote


    schemingbohemia wrote: »
    Linked in this post

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=103263267&postcount=1401

    Ah, thanks very much. I'll read it with interest.


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    #1414
    Corca Baiscinn
    Registered Users Posts: 643 ✭✭✭Corca Baiscinn


    M Spuckler, re paywall, you can sign up to read two articles a week for free. Please do! it's a brilliant article!

    just remembered it's on the Dublin Cycling campaign FB page so no need to sell your soul to Rupett Murdoch!


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    #1415
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 48,484 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    rugby is 500 times more dangerous than cycling, apparently.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11816885


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    #1416
    robyntmorton
    Registered Users Posts: 4,263 ✭✭✭robyntmorton


    magicbastarder wrote: »
    rugby is 500 times more dangerous than cycling, apparently.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11816885

    Rugby players should be the ones wearing high vis and helmets, and paying road tax then.


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    #1417
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 48,484 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    roid tax?


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    #1418
    CramCycle
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,497 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    magicbastarder wrote: »
    roid tax?

    Not at all, I heard a sports scientist comment on some of our internationals how it was incredible what a naturally high level of testosterone and red blood cells they had, leading to incredible recovery times that they could barely believe. Said with a straight face


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    #1419
    Chuchote
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    Two funny letters today in The Irish Times

    http://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/letters/cyclists-and-sharing-the-roads-1.3054202

    From John Legge in Dun Laoghaire:
    Ever heard of the bike-share scheme in Seattle? It was discontinued as a result of low uptake in part due to their mandatory helmet law. Enforcing cyclists here to wear helmets will do little to improve their safety on our roads. However, such a law would be very effective at reducing cyclist numbers. Maybe that’s the whole point?

    and from Brian McArdle in Ashtown:
    Mark Dunne asks what he should wear as a pedestrian to protect himself from errant cyclists (April 19th). I don’t believe the onus should be on the more vulnerable to protect themselves, but if he asks the Garda,­it will probably tell him a helmet and hi-vis jacket will save his life.


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    #1420
    Chuchote
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,368 ✭✭✭Chuchote


    http://www.bbc.com/news/health-39641122

    Five-year study of a quarter of a million UK commuters, published in the highly reputed BMJ.
    Cycling to work can cut cancer and heart disease, says study
    By James Gallagher
    Health and science reporter, BBC News website
    Want to live longer? Reduce your risk of cancer? And heart disease? Then cycle to work, say scientists.
    The biggest study into the issue linked using two wheels with a halving of the risk of cancer and heart disease.
    The five-year study of 250,000 UK commuters [published in the British Medical Journal] also showed walking had some benefits over sitting on public transport or taking the car.
    The five-year study compared people who had an "active" commute with those who were mostly stationary.
    Overall, 2,430 of those studied died, 3,748 were diagnosed with cancer and 1,110 had heart problems.
    But, during the course of the study, regular cycling cut the risk of death from any cause by 41%, the incidence of cancer by 45% and heart disease by 46%.
    The cyclists clocked an average of 30 miles per week, but the further they cycled the greater the health boon.


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    #1421
    Corca Baiscinn
    Registered Users Posts: 643 ✭✭✭Corca Baiscinn


    Chuchote wrote: »
    http://www.bbc.com/news/health-39641122

    Five-year study of a quarter of a million UK commuters, published in the highly reputed BMJ.

    Just about to be covered on the RTE news! Yeay!

    TV: Prob repeated again at 9


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    #1422
    Fighting Tao
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    Not a piece of hi vis and barely a helmet in the very short RTE news segment.


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    #1423
    Pinch Flat
    Registered Users Posts: 7,761 ✭✭✭Pinch Flat


    http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/news/brazen-thief-steals-bicycle-locked-to-pole-in-front-of-busy-garda-station-35639773.html

    "Totally impunity". Apt comment.


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    #1424
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 48,484 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    busarus?


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    #1425
    Chuchote
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,368 ✭✭✭Chuchote


    As long as you have nice middle-class and working-class and upper-class people buying stolen bikes with total impunity, bike theft will continue to be a profitable and popular crime.


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    #1426
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 48,484 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    i had understood that a considerable number of the bikes leave the country.


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    #1427
    Chuchote
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,368 ✭✭✭Chuchote


    magicbastarder wrote: »
    i had understood that a considerable number of the bikes leave the country.

    This is the urban legend; how true it is, who knows. Considering that people have posted here about being offered very nice bikes for €50 and beating the seller down to €20, then bringing the bike to the Guards, there is obviously a considerable instant-bike market.


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    #1428
    AndrewJRenko
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    Fighting Tao wrote: »
    Not a piece of hi vis and barely a helmet in the very short RTE news segment.
    Brilliant, isn't it?


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    #1429
    Pinch Flat
    Registered Users Posts: 7,761 ✭✭✭Pinch Flat


    Chuchote wrote: »
    This is the urban legend; how true it is, who knows. Considering that people have posted here about being offered very nice bikes for €50 and beating the seller down to €20, then bringing the bike to the Guards, there is obviously a considerable instant-bike market.

    A neighbour of mine is a guard and a keen cyclist. He told me they regularly stop vans in Dublin port with bikes in them. Latest one was some Eastern European fellas with some nice bikes, in a time trial worth several grand that was reunited with its owner


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    #1430
    Chuchote
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,368 ✭✭✭Chuchote


    Pinch Flat wrote: »
    A neighbour of mine is a guard and a keen cyclist. He told me they regularly stop vans in Dublin port with bikes in them. Latest one was some Eastern European fellas with some nice bikes, in a time trial worth several grand that was reunited with its owner

    I suppose then the profile is dear bikes stolen for a market fuelling the thief industry of cheap (or any) bikes stolen to sell on the street.


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    #1431
    Chuchote
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,368 ✭✭✭Chuchote


    Today in The Irish Times, the doctors are out (proving, perhaps, the old saw that "doctors differ and patients die"):

    http://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/letters/cycling-helmets-and-safety-1.3055657

    From Dr Dermot Coffey in Melbourne, Australia:
    I have followed with interest your coverage of the call by the AGSI for laws mandating helmet and hi-vis clothing for cyclists. I have lived and worked for the last 15 years in countries with mandatory helmet laws.
    Their main result in both has been to act as a barrier to cycling participation.
    The introduction of such laws in New Zealand in the 1990s coincided with a dramatic collapse in cyclist numbers, particularly of children cycling to and from school.
    More recently, in Australia, cycle-share schemes have been an abject failure, directly as a result of the laws. Interestingly, there has been no clear evidence that mandatory helmet laws have improved head injury rates. Meanwhile both countries, like Ireland, struggle with a worsening epidemic of the effects of physical inactivity.
    If the AGSI was truly interested in improving cycling safety, it would lobby for the single most important way of achieving this. This also happens to be the thing that would most quickly increase cyclist numbers with all the public health benefits that would bring – the development of a dedicated, comprehensive, safe and separated cycling network in urban areas.

    From Dr Jack Short in Chaville, France:
    The motion by the Association of Garda Sergeants and Inspectors to make cycling helmets compulsory is certainly not “silly” (“Cyclists oppose mandatory helmets”, April 14th). International evidence shows that helmets reduce the risk of head injuries by as much as 80 per cent. In Ireland, cyclists account for over 20 per cent of all transport-related hospitalisations, even though they are responsible for only 1 per cent or 2 per cent of traffic. And over a third of hospitalised cyclists have head injuries compared to only 15 per cent for motorcyclists.
    Cycling advocates are right that lower traffic speeds and better infrastructure are central to safer cycling but helmets can also contribute. Perhaps those opposed to helmets could at least agree that they should be made compulsory for children, as France did recently.

    And from Mark Byrne in Bray:
    A thoughtless twit will remain a thoughtless twit, whether on a bike or behind the wheel of a car.


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    #1432
    murf
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    From Dr Jack Short in Chaville, France:
    The motion by the Association of Garda Sergeants and Inspectors to make cycling helmets compulsory is certainly not “silly” (“Cyclists oppose mandatory helmets”, April 14th). International evidence shows that helmets reduce the risk of head injuries by as much as 80 per cent. In Ireland, cyclists account for over 20 per cent of all transport-related hospitalisations, even though they are responsible for only 1 per cent or 2 per cent of traffic. And over a third of hospitalised cyclists have head injuries compared to only 15 per cent for motorcyclists.
    Cycling advocates are right that lower traffic speeds and better infrastructure are central to safer cycling but helmets can also contribute. Perhaps those opposed to helmets could at least agree that they should be made compulsory for children, as France did recently.

    And from Mark Byrne in Bray:
    A thoughtless twit will remain a thoughtless twit, whether on a bike or behind the wheel of a car.
    I'd question the second Doctor's information there. The old one about 80% reduction has been dropped and the original study withdrawn as far as I know, and 20% of all transport hospitalisations are cyclists? That honestly sounds excessive, I'd very much like to see the backing on that one, particularly what they're in for - were they doing sport at the time? Downhill mountain biking is not transport.


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    #1433
    Chuchote
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,368 ✭✭✭Chuchote


    murf wrote: »
    I'd question the second Doctor's information there. The old one about 80% reduction has been dropped and the original study withdrawn as far as I know, and 20% of all transport hospitalisations are cyclists? That honestly sounds excessive, I'd very much like to see the backing on that one, particularly what they're in for - were they doing sport at the time? Downhill mountain biking is not transport.

    Well, it'll be taken as gospel unless another doctor or someone involved in the research contradicts it.


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    #1434
    mr spuckler
    Registered Users Posts: 3,107 ✭✭✭mr spuckler


    not sure if this was reported on here, if it was apologies as i didn't see it.

    Over one-third of Belfast Bikes are stolen or vandalised
    Some 210 of the 576 bikes in the Belfast Bikes fleet have either been stolen or taken out of service due to vandalism.
    :eek::eek:


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    #1435
    ThisRegard
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    Saw that this morning, can't see the scheme lasting too much longer at that rate.


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    #1436
    CramCycle
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,497 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    murf wrote: »
    I'd question the second Doctor's information there. The old one about 80% reduction has been dropped and the original study withdrawn as far as I know, and 20% of all transport hospitalisations are cyclists? That honestly sounds excessive, I'd very much like to see the backing on that one, particularly what they're in for - were they doing sport at the time? Downhill mountain biking is not transport.

    he also misses key things, such as many minor cycling injuries involving a crash would not even go to hospital. Whereas for motorcyclists, I imagine it would be almost 100% attendance.

    Studies in Canada I believe showed no change in head injuries with helmet. I won't lie I thought rates stayed the same while cycling numbers dropped therefore mandatory helmet laws increased the percentage of cyclists hospitalised with a head injury but it may have also stayed the same in that the percentage of head injuries as a whole of number of cyclists remained constant


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    #1437
    mr spuckler
    Registered Users Posts: 3,107 ✭✭✭mr spuckler


    ThisRegard wrote: »
    Saw that this morning, can't see the scheme lasting too much longer at that rate.

    no, and 5000 subscribers since april 2015 doesn't scream roaring success to me either.


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    #1438
    Jimoslimos
    Registered Users Posts: 4,930 ✭✭✭Jimoslimos


    CramCycle wrote: »
    Studies in Canada I believe showed no change in head injuries with helmet. I won't lie I thought rates stayed the same while cycling numbers dropped therefore mandatory helmet laws increased the percentage of cyclists hospitalised with a head injury but it may have also stayed the same in that the percentage of head injuries as a whole of number of cyclists remained constant
    I'd love to see a breakdown in figures by cyclist/journey type, e.g. commuting, leisure or sports/racing. The former two groups are the ones most likely to be adversely affected by helmet laws. The latter group (sports/racing) would see less of a drop-off in participation rates but would be at higher risk of head injury.


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    #1439
    flatface
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    In Ireland, cyclists account for over 20 per cent of all transport-related hospitalisations, even though they are responsible for only 1 per cent or 2 per cent of traffic. And over a third of hospitalised cyclists have head injuries compared to only 15 per cent for motorcyclists.

    Even though helmets are not mandatory they are very commonly worn. How many of these injuries were in fact on helmet wearers anyway?


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    #1440
    Pinch Flat
    Registered Users Posts: 7,761 ✭✭✭Pinch Flat


    flatface wrote: »
    Even though helmets are not mandatory they are very commonly worn. How many of these injuries were in fact on helmet wearers anyway?

    The last few fatalities a helmet would have done little sadly, collisions either because of high speed hit and runs by cars or HGVs.


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    #1441
    tomasrojo
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    murf wrote: »
    I'd question the second Doctor's information there. The old one about 80% reduction has been dropped and the original study withdrawn as far as I know, and 20% of all transport hospitalisations are cyclists? That honestly sounds excessive, I'd very much like to see the backing on that one, particularly what they're in for - were they doing sport at the time? Downhill mountain biking is not transport.


    Yeah, looks like a crock alright. To be honest, once someone says that helmets prevent 80% (or similar proportion) of head injuries, I stop reading, as they clearly haven't looked into the matter in any detail at all.


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