Bouncer punches woman who tried to punch him.

Brian? · 20-04-2017 10:40AM

There's only one person that deserves a punch in this scenario: whoever decided it's ok to play "Return of the Mack".

valoren · 20-04-2017 11:27AM

You dealt it. You felt it!

Deal it. Feel it.

Timberrrrrrrr · 20-04-2017 11:55AM

One eyed Jack wrote: »

He did of course, and his reaction was unprofessional. He's not 12, hell even to think a 12 year old would do that is stretching it, as my own son wouldn't have so easily been provoked like that in the first place, let alone react the way this guy did. If you can't see that this wasn't an ordinary set of circumstances then it's no wonder you wouldn't understand why the doorman is completely at fault here.

Again

You have no idea what has happened previous to this video being shot and keep up your "the doorman is a thug" rhetoric.

For all you know that is the 3rd or 4th punch she has thrown, for all you know she has scratched/hit/spat at him, for all you know she could have already made contact yet you still insist the doorman is wrong.

Come back when you have the full facts of what really happened before spouting more nonsensical posts please.

20-04-2017 12:05PM

valoren wrote: »

You dealt it. You felt it!

Deal it. Feel it.

What does that mean?

It reads like something in pidgin English, not sure I'm getting the point. I know the old "he who smelt it dealt it" kids thing about farting, was that the one you were going for?

valoren · 20-04-2017 12:08PM

Deleted User wrote: »

What does that mean?

It reads like something in pidgin English, not sure I'm getting the point. I know the old "he who smelt it dealt it" kids thing about farting, was that the one you were going for?

If you are violent with people, expect the violence to be reciprocated in kind.

One eyed Jack · 20-04-2017 12:39PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Again

You have no idea what has happened previous to this video being shot and keep up your "the doorman is a thug" rhetoric.

For all you know that is the 3rd or 4th punch she has thrown, for all you know she has scratched/hit/spat at him, for all you know she could have already made contact yet you still insist the doorman is wrong.

Come back when you have the full facts of what really happened before spouting more nonsensical posts please.

You're suggesting that my posts are nonsensical and yet you think yours are any better with the "for all you know" stuff? For all any of us know, anything could have happened previous to this, but the one thing I absolutely know for certain, is that the doorman behaved like an unprofessional thug, and none of the "for all you know" stuff you're suggesting above, would change that fact.

That stuff you mention above, I don't think you could meet anyone who's ever worked in security who could tell you it hasn't happened to them, but the vast, vast majority of them will never have retaliated. That's because they behave like professionals who aren't so quick to fly off the handle and lash out at anyone, regardless of their gender. Then there are the minority, like this thug, who only want a job doing security because they have issues.

Timberrrrrrrr · 20-04-2017 02:57PM

One eyed Jack wrote: »

You're suggesting that my posts are nonsensical and yet you think yours are any better with the "for all you know" stuff? For all any of us know, anything could have happened previous to this, but the one thing I absolutely know for certain, is that the doorman behaved like an unprofessional thug, and none of the "for all you know" stuff you're suggesting above, would change that fact.

That stuff you mention above, I don't think you could meet anyone who's ever worked in security who could tell you it hasn't happened to them, but the vast, vast majority of them will never have retaliated. That's because they behave like professionals who aren't so quick to fly off the handle and lash out at anyone, regardless of their gender. Then there are the minority, like this thug, who only want a job doing security because they have issues.

I worked as a doorman for 25 years I Dublin and can tell you that the majority would strike back if the above I mentioned happened to them. You obviously are an armchair expert though so I will bow to your superior knowledge :rolleyes:

20-04-2017 03:02PM

The doormans slap looked like a reflexive thing, and I can't blame him. I'd probably reflexively lash back if someone tried to punch me. He's not employed to be an unmoving target who doesn't defend himself.

Hoping she got her teeth broken is a bit ott though.

One eyed Jack · 20-04-2017 03:04PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

I worked as a doorman for 25 years I Dublin and can tell you that the majority would strike back if the above I mentioned happened to them. You obviously are an armchair expert though so I will bow to your superior knowledge :rolleyes:

I'm not an armchair expert at all, but don't paint all doormen with the same brush as your scumbag friends based on your own anecdotes. They're squarely in a minority.

20-04-2017 03:40PM

valoren wrote: »

If you are violent with people, expect the violence to be reciprocated in kind.

So you think a slap from a woman and the punch of a male who is presumably trained in violence are the same? I disagree.

Would you do that, if a woman tried to slap you, would you punch her into her face and use the "dealt felt it " line.

What about that very old adage about 2 wrongs not making a right and all that.

Wildcard7 · 20-04-2017 03:51PM

Deleted User wrote: »

So you think a slap from a woman and the punch of a male who is presumably trained in violence are the same? I disagree.

Would you people shut up about their gender please?

No, the punch from a random drunk loser is not the same as a punch from a trained person.

If I (owner of a penis) would hit you when fully inebriated, you would suffer a lot less (if at all) than if Katie Taylor did the same thing. They key is not in the plumbing system between ones legs, but in ones capability and training.

The bouncer might (depending on the circumstances) have reacted with less violence, however by your own logic you would have to acknowledge that he didn't exactly punch her with the full force of his steeled and trained body, as otherwise she would have ended up on the floor. He merely bitch-slapped her. He already throttled his reaction down.

Deleted User wrote: »

Would you do that, if a woman tried to slap you, would you punch her into her face and use the "dealt felt it " line.

Yes, if a woman I don't know would punch/slap me, I'd return the favour.

20-04-2017 03:54PM

Wildcard7 wrote: »

Would you people shut up about their gender please?

Relax. It's the www. People will have different opinions.

Given your reaction to mine, I fully accept your point that you (self styled "owner of a penis") would punch a woman. Good man yourself, "penis owner".

Baron Kurtz · 20-04-2017 04:00PM

One eyed Jack wrote: »

He did of course, and his reaction was unprofessional. He's not 12, hell even to think a 12 year old would do that is stretching it, as my own son wouldn't have so easily been provoked like that in the first place, let alone react the way this guy did. If you can't see that this wasn't an ordinary set of circumstances then it's no wonder you wouldn't understand why the doorman is completely at fault here.

Your poor son, having to listen to your endless whining and arguing with yourself:pac:

20-04-2017 04:43PM

Deleted User wrote: »

So you think a slap from a woman and the punch of a male who is presumably trained in violence are the same? I disagree.

Trained in violence?! Is self defense violence? It's all well and good looking at a video on a laptop and saying all these things but the fact is it's a lot different when you're there in the thick of it and some loon is swinging at you, who may or may not have a weapon. Fcuk that. End the threat as swiftly as you can.

Also funny that you hypothesise a slap from a woman and a punch from a man, whereas in the video it seems to be exactly the opposite. She threw the punch, he retaliated with a slap.

Deleted User wrote: »

What about that very old adage about 2 wrongs not making a right and all that.

Or what about the other adage, ''if someone hits you, hit them back''. She's man enough to hit someone, so fcuk her if she gets a slap back. No sympathy. He didn't knock her out, he backed her off with a slap. People screaming for equal rights... but only when it suits. Can't play the ''I'm a girl'' card after trying to clock someone. Doesn't work that way.

valoren · 20-04-2017 04:44PM

Deleted User wrote: »

So you think a slap from a woman and the punch of a male who is presumably trained in violence are the same? I disagree.

Would you do that, if a woman tried to slap you, would you punch her into her face and use the "dealt felt it " line.

What about that very old adage about 2 wrongs not making a right and all that.

A woman 'punched' me once. Or at the very least made an attempt at it.
See, her druggie boyfriend had just knocked out a passer by, who was flat on the ground, the boyfriend scarpered down a side alley, and while she was busy pretending to tend to victim, she was actually searching for his wallet.

She was confronted about that and decided to throw a punch at me. She was too hepped up on goofballs to actually hurt me though, it was like a light jab, but the intent was there and I saw it coming. I felt that restraining her while an ambulance and police were called was sufficient. A group of people were at the scene. She wasn't going anywhere. If she made a solid punch, if she caused any damage, , if she blindsided me with a punch, she would have gotten a slap back in kind with some interest on it. And I wouldn't be the slightest bit put out by it being a 'lady'. Scumbags are scumbags and no doubt the lady in the video is of similar ilk.

Epilogue: This happened in Brimingham, UK. After the lovely lady was arrested, and subsequently released, I had to go and give a statement in the cop shop that same evening. In the end, it turns out that the police knew of the attackers and it turns out that the passerby who was knocked unconcious was a relative of the attacker, we just happened upon an argument between them. He wasn't planning on pressing any charges and so that was that.

20-04-2017 04:44PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I fully accept your point that you (self styled "owner of a penis") would punch a woman that hit you first. Good man yourself

Left out a bit there Mr White Knight. Her girl pass is revoked the minute she decided to be a thug.

darced · 20-04-2017 05:05PM

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Elemonator · 20-04-2017 05:07PM

He didn't respond with reasonable force, I think that's the main issue here.

pilly · 20-04-2017 05:09PM

I can not believe the amount of people on here saying gender should not come into it. Is this actually where we're at now?

I don't know how others are brought up but my 2 sons would never lay a hand a woman whether or not she was beating the crap out of them, for the simple reason that they KNOW RIGHT FROM WRONG.

They know that there's a dangerous power imbalance there.

It's very easy to defend yourself against someone half your size, even more so if you're a so-called bouncer.

FTA69 · 20-04-2017 05:09PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

I worked as a doorman for 25 years I Dublin and can tell you that the majority would strike back if the above I mentioned happened to them. You obviously are an armchair expert though so I will bow to your superior knowledge :rolleyes:

Maybe in the 1990s or whenever but no way would you get away with throwing strikes at a lone woman doing front of house nowadays. You'd be let go.

20-04-2017 05:27PM

Omackeral wrote: »

Or what about the other adage, ''if someone hits you, hit them back''. She's man enough to hit someone, so fcuk her if she gets a slap back. No sympathy. He didn't knock her out, he backed her off with a slap. People screaming for equal rights... but only when it suits. Can't play the ''I'm a girl'' card after trying to clock someone. Doesn't work that way.

Hands up, hadn't heard that "adage". Have you just made it up?

She's not "man enough". She's a woman.

I'm not saying she deserved sympathy at all. She deserved censure, maybe the police should be talking to her if it was left at that. I just don't agree that she deserved a punch to the face.

I don't like the idea of men hitting women. It's not a "but it's fine if they don't knock them out". It's just perhaps my age, upbringing etc. Maybe it's archaic and women, children and the elderly should not get preferential treatment ion the face punching department.

20-04-2017 05:30PM

Omackeral wrote: »

Left out a bit there Mr White Knight. Her girl pass is revoked the minute she decided to be a thug.

What is a "girl pass"?

She still looked like a woman to me after she was punched.

Maybe, like your "if you get hit, you can hit back" line, it's another phrase I haven't heard...

Wildcard7 · 20-04-2017 05:37PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Relax. It's the www. People will have different opinions.

Of course. It's just that facts and opinions are two different things. "Someone is automatically less capable of fighting because they have a vagina" isn't an opinion, it's bullsh1t. "2 is smaller than 1" isn't an opinion either.

Deleted User wrote: »

Given your reaction to mine, I fully accept your point that you (self styled "owner of a penis") would punch a woman. Good man yourself, "penis owner".

I don't know what a "self styled owner of a penis" is. I'm a man, the penis came with that (or the other way around?). Again, me being the owner of a penis is a simple fact. I actually had no say in that matter. I suppose I could blame it on my parents, but they assure me it was a bit of a lottery. I just don't subscribe to your "opinion" that this makes me any more of a fighter, or a scientist, or a person, than if I was born with different parts.

I also didn't say I'd punch a woman. I said I'd punch a woman who tried or succeeded to punch me. We're a bit selective with our facts when we form our opinions on others, aren't we?

While you're at it, my white knight in shining armor, I'd actually also punch a black person if they attacked me. Or a jew. Or an amputee. Or someone who's one week short of turning 18. Or someone who's a head shorter than me. Or who's drunk. Did I forget anyone?

None of this gives anyone the right to be violent towards me.

Widdershins · 20-04-2017 05:45PM

Assuming she doesn't do kickboxing, there is a physical power imbalance between her and the bouncer. In a sense that is evened up by the unwritten rule that say she can't be hit back because of it. She's taking advantage of that, which tilts the balance in her favour.
I wouldn't like to be male. I think if I was trying to advise one on what to do, I'd advise keeping distance from her which he couldn't do as he has to remain in the same place. I wouldn't advise holding her because it makes him vulnerable and leaves him open to other kinds of allegations of improper contact. I'd generally agree that men shouldn't hit women but there's an exception to most rules.
It will be interesting to find out the missing details, like whether that was the first attempted attack she made on him that day.

Widdershins · 20-04-2017 05:46PM

Deleted User wrote: »

What is a "girl pass"?

She still looked like a woman to me after she was punched.

Maybe, like your "if you get hit, you can hit back" line, it's another phrase I haven't heard...

Straightforward concept of self defense.

B.A._Baracus · 20-04-2017 05:47PM

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Of course we would, because the circumstances would be different. Are you trying to say that female security staff don't experience these kinds of situations too? They do of course.

Jaysus man, you're one twister you are.
Bet you're a great person to have a conversation with :pac:

MadDog76 · 20-04-2017 06:01PM

I'm no fan of Bouncers (have found most of them to be of below average intelligence with an undeserved high opinion of themselves and their "career" choice) and the very thought of being physically violent, or even physically threatening, to a female is disgusting in my opinion .......... having said that, I couldn't help but think the young "lady" in the video fully deserved that smack ........ of course the Bouncer could have restrained her and called the Police etc. but a quick slap saved him all that bother and sent out a much needed message to the girl (and any other woman watching the video) that being female in of itself does not mean you can do whatever you like (regarding physical violence) without consequence.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 20-04-2017 06:05PM

Omackeral wrote: »

Left out a bit there Mr White Knight. Her girl pass is revoked the minute she decided to be a thug.

Can't agree with this enough. As a woman I go out expecting nobody is going to hit me. However, if I start taking swings at somebody, man or woman, I would fully expect to be hit back. The fact of me not owning balls has nothing to do with it when the first slap is thrown by me.

FTA69 · 20-04-2017 06:05PM

MadDog76 wrote: »

I'm no fan of Bouncers (have found most of them to be of below average intelligence with an undeserved high opinion of themselves and their "career" choice) .

Yawn. A succinct display of both ignorance and snobbery.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 20-04-2017 06:08PM

pilly wrote: »

I can not believe the amount of people on here saying gender should not come into it. Is this actually where we're at now?

I don't know how others are brought up but my 2 sons would never lay a hand a woman whether or not she was beating the crap out of them, for the simple reason that they KNOW RIGHT FROM WRONG.

They know that there's a dangerous power imbalance there.

It's very easy to defend yourself against someone half your size, even more so if you're a so-called bouncer.

Well then I feel sorry for your sons when they encounter some women out there. What makes your sons less important? Why should they be punching bags? Some women can fight like men. What are your sons to do if a woman punches him in the face, breaks his nose, hits him with a pint glass? Is their safety less of a priority?

Bouncer punches woman who tried to punch him.

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