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Off The Ball Official Thread <Mod Note - Post #1, #533, #6651>

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  • #4022
    dr.kenneth noisewater
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,878 ✭✭✭dr.kenneth noisewater


    applehunter wrote: »
    Get Eamonn Sweeney on.

    They praise him on the show every week.

    Would love to hear that but he lives in Cork so hopefully they are just waiting for some weekend he's in Dublin.


  • #4023
    Jayesdiem
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 908 ✭✭✭Jayesdiem


    Look if you haven't the depth of knowledge to argue a stance, you shouldn't take the stance.


  • #4024
    Jayesdiem
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 908 ✭✭✭Jayesdiem


    ^^^

    That's in relation to whoever made the blood doping comparison. Crazy.


  • #4025
    Jayesdiem
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 908 ✭✭✭Jayesdiem


    dr.kenneth noisewater wrote: »
    Jayesdiem wrote: »
    Tell me how wrote: »
    Jayesdiem wrote:
    But most people just don't care. I'm one of them.

    Kimmage often dresses it up as his concern for athlete safety but that's laughable. There are many reasons but that isn't one of them.

    How could you question Kimmages motivation regarding his fight against drugs. On what basis?

    Genuinely saddened that some just don't care about drugs in sport.

    It's a gut feeling. He has this "won't someone please think of the children attitude" that comes across as false as it sounds. Kimmage needs to stay relevant as a journalist to make a crust. The drugs have facilitated that over a long period of time so human nature being what it is, he goes back to that well repeatedly. His attempts to diversify into the "sport du jour" -rugby- aren't credible because we all know he hasn't a clue about it. But it didn't stop him taking the drugs angle in that sport too (French rugby etc) - it's just that it didn't last because he was met with an audience who just wants to watch their sport in piece, rather than agonise over the off-field decisions that players make.
    He could easily have moved into easier areas of sports journalism over the past decade or even just wrote glowing articles on cyclists and how great they are if he just wanted to "make a crust", it would have been the easy way out. It's the fact that the genuinely cares about cycling that made him go down that path. 
    He might not have a clue about rugby but he knows about painkillers and PED's and the effects they have on the human body more than most(remember he was a top athlete himself) and its fairly worrying that most people dont want to know about it.


    Maybe people do care. My impression is that they don't and because I don't care either, I'm a bit biased.


  • #4026
    Tell me how
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,524 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Jayesdiem wrote: »
    Look if you haven't the depth of knowledge to argue a stance, you shouldn't take the stance.

    Are you talking about yourself, Paul Kimmage, USADA or the OTB team?


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  • #4027
    Jayesdiem
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 908 ✭✭✭Jayesdiem


    Tell me how wrote: »
    Jayesdiem wrote: »
    Look if you haven't the depth of knowledge to argue a stance, you shouldn't take the stance.

    Are you talking about yourself, Paul Kimmage, USADA or the OTB team?


    None of them actually. Look around the table and if you can't figure out who the sucker is, it's probably you. I'll leave you to work that one out all by yourself.


  • #4028
    elefant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,697 ✭✭✭elefant


    Jayesdiem wrote: »
    None of them actually. Look around the table and if you can't figure out who the sucker is, it's probably you. I'll leave you to work that one out all by yourself.

    Breaking: Man on internet more knowledgable on doping than USADA.

    Plot twist: He doesn't care about doping.


  • #4029
    Jayesdiem
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 908 ✭✭✭Jayesdiem


    elefant wrote: »
    Jayesdiem wrote: »
    None of them actually. Look around the table and if you can't figure out who the sucker is, it's probably you. I'll leave you to work that one out all by yourself.

    Breaking: Man on internet more knowledgable on doping than USADA.

    Plot twist: He doesn't care about doping.

    Hilarious. Where did I even mention USADA?


  • #4030
    dastardly00
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,688 ✭✭✭✭dastardly00


    Jayesdiem wrote: »
    Crikey it isn't LIKE taking vitamins. It IS a vitamin (or sometimes classified as an amino acid) for crying out loud. It's not doping and is not even banned. This is what I am generally talking about - people commenting on things that they ought not to.

    What's your opinion of the method and volume of L-carnitine that Salazar was supposedly giving his athletes? Because that is what is constituting doping in this case. That is what The Sunday Times, Kimmage, OTB et al. are 'disgusted' about.

    From the WADA Prohibited List (Methods, M2 Chemical and Physical Manipulation)
    The following are prohibited: 2. Intravenous infusions and/or injections of more than 50 mL per 6 hour period except for those legitimately received in the course of hospital admissions, surgical procedures or clinical investigations


  • #4031
    Jayesdiem
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 908 ✭✭✭Jayesdiem


    dastardly00 wrote: »
    Jayesdiem wrote: »
    Crikey it isn't LIKE taking vitamins. It IS a vitamin (or sometimes classified as an amino acid) for crying out loud. It's not doping and is not even banned. This is what I am generally talking about - people commenting on things that they ought not to.


    What's your opinion of the method and volume of L-carnitine that Salazar was supposedly giving his athletes? Because that is what is constituting doping in this case. That is what The Sunday Times, Kimmage, OTB et al. are 'disgusted' about.

    From the WADA Prohibited List (Methods, M2 Chemical and Physical Manipulation)
    The following are prohibited: 2. Intravenous infusions and/or injections of more than 50 mL per 6 hour period except for those legitimately received in the course of hospital admissions, surgical procedures or clinical investigations

    Both the volume and method are within the boundaries of the law to my knowledge.


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  • #4032
    Muff Richardson
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,078 ✭✭✭Muff Richardson


    Jayesdiem wrote: »
    ^^^

    That's in relation to whoever made the blood doping comparison. Crazy.

    I thought it was quite a relevant comparison to make in relation to the daft argument you've been making so far that unless something is classed as a drug then it's all fine.


  • #4033
    Jayesdiem
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 908 ✭✭✭Jayesdiem


    It isn't. And that's not the argument I made. Try and keep up.


  • #4034
    dastardly00
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,688 ✭✭✭✭dastardly00


    Jayesdiem wrote: »
    Both the volume and method are within the boundaries of the law to my knowledge.

    But the whole story from The Sunday Times was that the method and volume that Salazar was giving his athletes was outside the boundaries of the law.

    So are you just saying that you don't believe the story, or that taking excessive amounts of L-carnitine in short periods of time doesn't constitute doping? :confused:


  • #4035
    Jayesdiem
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 908 ✭✭✭Jayesdiem


    dastardly00 wrote: »
    Jayesdiem wrote: »
    Both the volume and method are within the boundaries of the law to my knowledge.

    But the whole story from The Sunday Times was that the method and volume that Salazar was giving his athletes was outside the boundaries of the law.

    So are you just saying that you don't believe the story, or that taking excessive amounts of L-carnitine in short periods of time doesn't constitute doping? :confused:

    From anything I've read, they claim to be within normal range and there is no proof to suggest otherwise. They could be lying but who is anyone to suggest they without proof. If they were outside the limits of course I classify that as doping. That is irrefutable. I understand the rules, I just don't agree with them and I'm generally unconcerned with PED use in sport, particularly given that through alcohol and tobacco, society has greater concerns. Lets please not go there with that though and before anyone asks, yes I drink alcohol.


  • #4036
    Tell me how
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,524 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Jayesdiem wrote: »
    It isn't. And that's not the argument I made. Try and keep up.

    I've been following the discussion and have difficulty keeping up.

    My understanding is that you think that L-carnitine is not a drug because there are acceptable uses for it such as your mother who takes it.

    That's like saying salbutomal should not be on the banned list because some people use ventolin for asathma.


  • #4037
    Jayesdiem
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 908 ✭✭✭Jayesdiem


    L-carnitine isn't a drug. The term "drug" doesn't even come into it. Substances are either legal or illlegal for use.


  • #4038
    Tell me how
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,524 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Jayesdiem wrote: »
    L-carnitine isn't a drug. The term "drug" doesn't even come into it. Substances are either legal or illlegal for use.

    I think you understand the context in which I used the term "drug".


  • #4039
    dastardly00
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,688 ✭✭✭✭dastardly00


    Jayesdiem wrote: »
    From anything I've read, they claim to be within normal range and there is no proof to suggest otherwise. They could be lying but who is anyone to suggest they without proof. If they were outside the limits of course I classify that as doping. That is irrefutable. I understand the rules, I just don't agree with them and I'm generally unconcerned with PED use in sport, particularly given that through alcohol and tobacco, society has greater concerns. Lets please not go there with that though and before anyone asks, yes I drink alcohol.

    Cool, I understand your position now and I'll leave it there.


  • #4040
    Jayesdiem
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 908 ✭✭✭Jayesdiem


    Tell me how wrote: »
    Jayesdiem wrote: »
    L-carnitine isn't a drug. The term "drug" doesn't even come into it. Substances are either legal or illlegal for use.

    I think you understand the context in which I used the term "drug".

    I understand that you use the term incorrectly because you have erroneous preconceptions about what a drug is and how it is used. For you "food supplement" seems an interchangeable term. You can't use incorrect terms and expect people to know what you are talking about. That just means you want them to agree with you.


  • #4041
    dr.kenneth noisewater
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,878 ✭✭✭dr.kenneth noisewater


    Just listened back to last nights football show and while I cant stand Niall Quinn on Sky I really enjoyed last nights show. Few great stories from Quinn and Merson and from his Irish days. Sounded like he was some athlete back in the day, could have turned his hand to any sport he wanted really


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  • #4042
    dominatinMC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,225 ✭✭✭dominatinMC


    Ya, I don't listen to OTB nearly as much as I used to, but was driving last night and thought that segment was excellent


  • #4043
    Dirty Dingus McGee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,631 ✭✭✭Dirty Dingus McGee


    applehunter wrote: »
    Get Eamonn Sweeney on.

    They praise him on the show every week.

    I used to like Sweeney but he's become really insufferable in the last while. Regular digs at Donald Trump in his pieces and being excessively right-on in everything he writes, that it's becoming a real chore to read his pieces these days.


  • #4044
    PeterTheNinth
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,869 ✭✭✭PeterTheNinth


    dr.kenneth noisewater wrote: »
    Just listened back to last nights football show and while I cant stand Niall Quinn on Sky I really enjoyed last nights show.

    Yeah really enjoyed that interview with Niall Quinn. He's good at telling his story.


  • #4045
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,753 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    djemba djemba wrote: »
    Sunday papers review is moving to podcast from next week on until the end of the premier league season.

    They said today that it will be back on the radio Sunday 23 April.


  • #4046
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Great paper review here with Gary O'Toole and Gavin Reilly.


  • #4047
    PeterTheNinth
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,869 ✭✭✭PeterTheNinth


    Faugheen wrote: »
    Great paper review here with Gary O'Toole and Gavin Reilly.

    Ah balls, what's the story.. Are they having a paper review on the show or not??? I thought they were releasing it only as podcast?


  • #4048
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    PeterTheNinth wrote: »
    Ah balls, what's the story.. Are they having a paper review on the show or not??? I thought they were releasing it only as podcast?

    They've been promoting it on Twitter that it was live today.


  • #4049
    PeterTheNinth
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,869 ✭✭✭PeterTheNinth


    Surely if women were buying the newspapers that covered women's sports, then those papers would be printing more stories about women's sports. If you take the emotion out of it, is the issue not simply that neither men nor women have any interest in reading about women's sports?


  • #4050
    delaney001
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 431 ✭✭delaney001


    Faugheen wrote: »
    Great paper review here with Gary O'Toole and Gavin Reilly.

    First time hearing Gary O T. He's very knowledagable but not that likeable tbh. Gavin Reilly is good but labours too hard on points that aren't that interesting e.g. The point of the rugby being a build up to the lions in all media coverage.
    Still very enjoyable though.


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  • #4051
    elefant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,697 ✭✭✭elefant


    delaney001 wrote: »
    First time hearing Gary O T. He's very knowledagable but not that likeable tbh. Gavin Reilly is good but labours too hard on points that aren't that interesting e.g. The point of the rugby being a build up to the lions in all media coverage.
    Still very enjoyable though.

    If you get a chance you should try and find the review he was on where he talked about his whistleblowing on child abuse in swimming. It was brilliant radio; I was absolutely captivated. Gary O Toole is a hero imo.


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