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Bouncer punches woman who tried to punch him.

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  • #242
    [Deleted User]
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    Are Am Eye wrote: »
    No it's not.
    He's not allowed to move her anywhere.

    And what are you on about move her? Move her where? To a new house?
    She's in a public place. She has no less and no more a right to be there than he does. He can't move her anywhere.

    How is it not?


  • #243
    Are Am Eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,166 ✭✭✭Are Am Eye


    riffmongous wrote: »
    How is it not?

    Not what?


  • #244
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    Are Am Eye wrote: »
    Not what?

    Not the use of force, covered by self defense


  • #245
    Donal55
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭Donal55


    minikin wrote: »
    Liverpool is in Ireland now? When did that happen?

    Walk into some pubs on a Saturday or Sunday and you might think so.


  • #246
    s15r330
    Closed Accounts Posts: 942 ✭✭✭s15r330


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I hate all this hard man stuff now. Hit and be hit blah blah blah. Lots of wannabe MMA heads thinking every interaction means ground and pound. Whatever happened to acting like a civilised person and simply moving away, only using force when it's absolutely necessary, never hitting a woman whatever the provocation etc. etc.

    So if a young one went to give you a slap of a bottle or a glass you'd let her off?
    If someone wants to act the tramp they can deal with the consequences.


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  • #247
    Are Am Eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,166 ✭✭✭Are Am Eye


    riffmongous wrote: »
    Not the use of force, covered by self defense

    When he struck her/lashed out at her he was defending himself. Or could claim to be. If he took a hold of her and deprived her of her liberty then he is no longer defending himself and is in fact assaulting her. And holding her illegally in custody.


  • #248
    thegreengoblin
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    MysticMonk wrote: »
    I see a bit of support for President Trump but no racism...can you find me some examples of his racism please?

    Come on over here http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057691159&page=6 and I'll show you


  • #249
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    Are Am Eye wrote: »
    When he struck her/lashed out at her he was defending himself. Or could claim to be. If he took a hold of her and deprived her of her liberty then he is no longer defending himself and is in fact assaulting her. And holding her illegally in custody.
    20.—(1) For the purposes of sections 18 and 19—

    (a) a person uses force in relation to another person or property not only when he or she applies force to, but also where he or she causes an impact on, the body of that person or that property;
    Section 20, the use of force. Moving someone is literally the application of force.


  • #250
    Are Am Eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,166 ✭✭✭Are Am Eye


    riffmongous wrote: »
    Section 20, the use of force. Moving someone is literally the application of force.

    This "moving" thing has gone on long enough.
    Explain what you mean by moving.

    1. Where is he to move this woman to.

    2. In relation to point 1, for what purpose is he moving her.


  • #251
    Collie D
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,585 ✭✭✭✭Collie D


    Where the **** is Makikomi?!


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  • #252
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    Are Am Eye wrote: »
    This "moving" thing has gone on long enough.
    Explain what you mean by moving.

    1. Where is he to move this woman to.

    2. In relation to point 1, for what purpose is he moving her.
    Have you ever clinched someone? Do you know how to move someone? A trained bouncer will know the proper way to do it.

    1. Away from the entrance

    2. So he can go inside and call the police, closing the door if necessary.


  • #253
    Are Am Eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,166 ✭✭✭Are Am Eye


    Collie D wrote: »
    Where the **** is Makikomi?!

    He's moving someone. :D


  • #254
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    Collie D wrote: »
    Where the **** is Makikomi?!

    I pm'ed him already :D I am actually really curious to hear his experience and opinion, I'd have no problem admitting I'm wrong if an actual bouncer says so. I think FTA69 was also a bouncer


  • #255
    Are Am Eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,166 ✭✭✭Are Am Eye


    riffmongous wrote: »
    Have you ever clinched someone? Do you know how to move someone? A trained bouncer will know the proper way to do it.

    1. Away from the entrance

    2. So he can go inside and call the police, closing the door if necessary.

    Outside the entrance is a public place. She is entitled to be there.
    He can't illegally move someone because he has to make a phone call.
    And for your info he has a radio and when he wants the police, which is not often, causes more problems for him, that call is made from where he is.


  • #256
    Cupcake_Crisis
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    I always said that if I throw a dig I fully deserve a dig back. Be it from a man or woman.

    Not that I ever would mind. I'm as soft as a wet fart.


  • #257
    armaghlad
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    Omackeral wrote: »
    You challenged none of the points I made and zeroed in one thing with prejudice. Couldn't give a f*ck what your ignorant self expects. Judge all you want, you know nothing about me and how I carry out my duties. That chip on your shoulder is becoming more apparent. If a prisoner hits out, we're covered by law to fight back. Nobody is paid to be battered.

    I've been assaulted outside of work by a woman before. She punched me right into the face. I said to her ''don't you dare do that again''. She went to do it again and I grabbed her by the wrists. When I let her go she went to do it yet again. I restrained her by the arms and shoved her away from me. She went on her arse in almost slow motion and start screaming that I assaulted her and she was now playing victim. What do you do in that situation? Keep getting belted? Nah, f*ck that noise.

    I personally wouldn't feel right punching a woman full on in the face because I'd probably cave her face in but at the same time I'm not letting some scumbag have free reign on me. If you're provoked and pushed enough, you fight back. So while I'd not burst someone as hard as can, I still have no sympathy for aggressors getting hit back.
    And can you differentiate between battering one of your prisoners as you please where no one can see and a bouncer striking some wee skinny drunk girls in public cos she tried to hit him? Because it seems to me you can't


  • #258
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    Are Am Eye wrote: »
    Outside the entrance is a public place. She is entitled to be there.
    He can't illegally move someone because he has to make a phone call.
    And for your info he has a radio and when he wants the police, which is not often, causes more problems for him, that call is made from where he is.
    It's for self defence, after she tries to throw a punch at him that he moves her away

    Safer and less confrontational to go inside and call. Helps defuse the situation


  • #259
    Are Am Eye
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    riffmongous wrote: »
    It's for self defence, after she tries to throw a punch at him that he moves her away

    Safer and less confrontational to go inside and call. Helps defuse the situation

    It's not for self defense. You said he wanted to move her away from the door.
    Well good for him. But he can't.


  • #260
    Allah snackbar
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 161 ✭✭Allah snackbar


    Why does this conversation come up every time , pretend it's 2 men or 2 women and no one gives a flying monkeys , but when it's some doll in high heels that thinks she can square up to a man who is superior to her in physical strength and fighting ability the white knights lose their marbles , he took it handy on her and she was lucky , it might teach her a lesson to not act like a degenerate scum bag in future


  • #261
    Dravokivich
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    riffmongous wrote: »
    Have you ever clinched someone? Do you know how to move someone? A trained bouncer will know the proper way to do it.

    1. Away from the entrance

    2. So he can go inside and call the police, closing the door if necessary.

    You need to give some thought to what you are presenting.

    there is only 1 bouncer visible in the video. So the only means to potentially restrain her would be a grapple, or pull an arm behind her back and stretch a leg forward so she'll have minimal control of her balance. Once he lets go to walk back in, she's just going to swing at him.

    To safely restrain someone, it takes at least 2 people to lock the individuals arms into theirs if doing so while standing. And then it's a stalemate for however long it takes for the restrained individual to eventually settle. If they do at all.

    So to lead to your second point, how do you expect someone to restrain an individual, then just walk off? As you'd be unrestraining them.


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  • #262
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    armaghlad wrote: »
    And can you differentiate between battering one of your prisoners as you please where no one can see and a bouncer striking some wee skinny drunk girls in public cos she tried to hit him? Because it seems to me you can't

    I've never battered one of my prisoners as I please. There's CCTV and an Ombudsman these days anyway so you'd be taking your chances with your job if you tried an unjustified assault on an inmate. The entire culture is different these days than it was compared to years ago when a gang of big brutes descended on an unruly inmate.

    Anyway, you don't address questions put to you directly and tbh you're full of inaccurate preconceived notions. No point in us speaking to each other really. Good luck.


  • #263
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    Are Am Eye wrote: »
    It's not for self defense. You said he wanted to move her away from the door.
    Well good for him. But he can't.

    Someone tries to punch you and you restrain them and move them away from the door so you can then go inside and call the police, close the door if you need to. I cant make it any clearer, unless you have some new point I'm not going to bother replying again


  • #264
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    riffmongous wrote: »
    Someone tries to punch you and you restrain them and move them away from the door so you can then go inside and call the police, close the door if you need to. I cant make it any clearer, unless you have some new point I'm not going to bother replying again

    What if there's two of them? Well within your rights to have a strike back. This guy struck and was bang on the money.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dR1WmcUPSUY


  • #265
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    Dravokivich wrote: »
    You need to give some thought to what you are presenting.

    there is only 1 bouncer visible in the video. So the only means to potentially restrain her would be a grapple, or pull an arm behind her back and stretch a leg forward so she'll have minimal control of her balance. Once he lets go to walk back in, she's just going to swing at him.

    To safely restrain someone, it takes at least 2 people to lock the individuals arms into theirs if doing so while standing. And then it's a stalemate for however long it takes for the restrained individual to eventually settle. If they do at all.

    So to lead to your second point, how do you expect someone to restrain an individual, then just walk off? As you'd be unrestraining them.
    There are two bouncers there


  • #266
    Alcoheda
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    I bet she'll think twice the next time.


  • #267
    end of the road
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    Allah snackbar wrote: »
    Why does this conversation come up every time , pretend it's 2 men or 2 women and no one gives a flying monkeys , but when it's some doll in high heels that thinks she can square up to a man who is superior to her in physical strength and fighting ability the white knights lose their marbles , he took it handy on her and she was lucky , it might teach her a lesson to not act like a degenerate scum bag in future


    it won't no . it's not supposed to either.
    Alcoheda wrote: »
    I bet she'll think twice the next time.


    she won't.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #268
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    Omackeral wrote: »
    What if there's two of them? Well within your rights to have a strike back. This guy struck and was bang on the money.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dR1WmcUPSUY

    Totally different situation, I shouldn't even have to point that out


  • #269
    armaghlad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,660 ✭✭✭armaghlad


    Omackeral wrote: »
    I've never battered one of my prisoners as I please. There's CCTV and an Ombudsman these days anyway so you'd be taking your chances with your job if you tried an unjustified assault on an inmate. The entire culture is different these days than it was compared to years ago when a gang of big brutes descended on an unruly inmate.

    Anyway, you don't address questions put to you directly and tbh you're full of inaccurate preconceived notions. No point in us speaking to each other really. Good luck.
    Well your first reply to me set the tone. Some jobs you can expect a bit of rough and tumble and you of all people should know that. It comes down to discretion and it is a poor misjudgment by the doorman. If that happened in our place he wouldn't work there again.


  • #270
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    riffmongous wrote: »
    Totally different situation, I shouldn't even have to point that out

    But you're saying simply restrain someone and walk away. What if you try to do that and someone else comes at ya? Then can you strike back? What if it's two women?


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  • #271
    Are Am Eye
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    riffmongous wrote: »
    Someone tries to punch you and you restrain them and move them away from the door so you can then go inside and call the police, close the door if you need to. I cant make it any clearer, unless you have some new point I'm not going to bother replying again

    You're talking complete ****e at this stage.

    One minute you're restraining her.
    Then you're off making phone calls.
    What are you on about?
    Do you know what restrain means?


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