Bouncer punches woman who tried to punch him.

MysticMonk · 19-04-2017 06:32PM

Lucky for her he didn't follow it up with a good kick to the gee.

bucketybuck · 19-04-2017 06:32PM

Inaccurate thread title should be changed.

eurasian · 19-04-2017 06:34PM

This is 2017 and all this "guy never hit a girl" BS is competely irrelevant.
What I saw in the video is an act of self defense. She received what she deserved. Anyone who decided to attack a person have to expect that person to defense himself.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 19-04-2017 06:37PM

If you're going to act like a bloke then you take what's coming like a bloke
The bouncers doing his job, if she's going to smack him then she should expect it back

erica74 · 19-04-2017 06:38PM

If they were two regular people on the street I would say she deserved it but unfortunately for the bouncer, he was at work where he is bound to certain policies and rules about how to deal with this sort of situation and I doubt "punch him/her in the face" is in the employee handbook.

seamus · 19-04-2017 06:46PM

It's also worth noting for the avoidance of doubt, that it's far from legal to restrain someone in a public place without good reason.

Sure, you can grab them to stop the immediate threat. Then they say, "I'm grand, I'll leave". You have to release them. You have no authority on which to hold them except to protect yourself or someone else from immediate danger. Once you've released them, they can smack you again.
Citizens arrests aren't valid for simple assaults.

MysticMonk · 19-04-2017 06:47PM

erica74 wrote: »

he was at work where he is bound to certain policies and rules about how to deal with this sort of situation and I doubt "punch him/her in the face" is in the employee handbook.

Protect the premises.

protect the customers.

protect yourself.

That's about it really.

nacho libre · 19-04-2017 06:49PM

Academic wrote: »

I agree.

That said, and independent of what the investigation finds in this particular case, assault is assault and self-defense is self-defense. I don't see gender as relevant.

A boss of a reputable security company would deem what he did as excessive force, regardless of the sex involved, that could have led to fatal consequences. You are advised to use physical intervention techniques to thwart an attacker. Punching is not one of the method advised. When discussing it on boards it might be deemed the right course of action, but not if you are working in the industry and want to retain your job. I'll be surprised if the bouncer does not face repercussions.

gctest50 · 19-04-2017 06:49PM

You'll want to hit her a slap in the chopper
or she'll say you made a grab for her knockers
She'll call the coppers and you'll end up in jail
Where you'll eat bread and water
And sh!t in a pail
so when you've had enough of her womanly guff
don't be too rough - just put your foot straight into her muff

19-04-2017 06:50PM

Are Am Eye wrote: »

The only "protocol" you have to worry about riff is the law.
You have no entitlement to restrain her.
You do have an entitlement to defend yourself with reasonable and proportionate force. It is debatable whether the light punch he gave her
was necessary. However he certainly cannot hold on to her or "move her"( what ever that means). That's unlawful imprisonment or unlawful arrest/ custody(unless they are in the same judo club)

if this was the case bouncers could never eject someone from a club, which we all know is not the case.

MonkieSocks · 19-04-2017 06:56PM

armaghlad wrote: »

People's Front of Judea

Splitters :mad:

ArchXStanton · 19-04-2017 06:58PM

People...We really are some apes at the back of it all

gctest50 · 19-04-2017 07:01PM

riffmongous wrote: »

Ninja techniques? You've never watched or practiced any fighting in your life have you? Judo, mma, wrestling, boxing all have ways to get you into a clinch........

You have 2 problems restraining

1. Claim you felt her up

2. You're leaving yourself open to getting a knife or a needle stuck in you

You won't know the second until 2 weeks later

Within 2-4 weeks after HIV infection, many, but not all, people develop flu-like symptoms, often described as “the worst flu ever.” Symptoms can include fever, swollen glands, sore throat, rash, muscle and joint aches and pains, and headache.

Timberrrrrrrr · 19-04-2017 07:01PM

Paddy Cow wrote: »

If someone has a go at you, you have a right to defend your self appropriately. She was no threat here and didn't even hit him. His reaction was not proportionate.

The man/woman angle is stupid. There are plenty of women who could cause damage in a fight but this woman was not one of them.

What happened in the minutes preceding the punch?

19-04-2017 07:08PM

seamus wrote: »

Judo, MMA, wrestling and boxing teach professional techniques to get into a clinch in the middle of a match where participants are sober, generally rational and consenting.

Self defence techniques, i.e. where you are being attacked, focus on repelling or deflecting the attack and then putting as much distance between you and the attacker as possible. The only thing dumber than trying to grab a hold of your attacker is running headfirst toward them.

Sure, I would expect a bouncer to be less fazed by an attacker, slower to anger and quicker to de-escalate a situation. But expecting them to launch flawlessly into some perfect gentle hold when being attacked by some random crazy person is beyond naive.

He's a bouncer, unfortunately it's part of his job to have to deal with such situations, it's not straight up self defense anymore.

What would be dumb is punching a drunk girl tottering around on high heels outside your place of employment.

You don't seem to know much when it comes to holds so I won't comment on what's 'naive'.

19-04-2017 07:10PM

gctest50 wrote: »

You have 2 problems restraining

1. Claim you felt her up

2. You're leaving yourself open to getting a knife or a needle stuck in you

You won't know the second until 2 weeks later

Within 2-4 weeks after HIV infection, many, but not all, people develop flu-like symptoms, often described as â€œthe worst flu ever.â€ Symptoms can include fever, swollen glands, sore throat, rash, muscle and joint aches and pains, and headache.

And yet bouncers do it all the time in clubs when they need to get rid of someone?? Jesus christ, has anyone here ever been to a nightclub?

end of the road · 19-04-2017 07:14PM

Patww79 wrote: »

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nor will punching her, so it doesn't matter.

Katgurl · 19-04-2017 07:14PM

Personally I think he was dead right. Crazy violent stupid b****es like her shouldn't be allowed carry on any way they want.

MonkieSocks · 19-04-2017 07:15PM

end of the road · 19-04-2017 07:20PM

LexieOnRale wrote: »

If you're going to act like a bloke then you take what's coming like a bloke
The bouncers doing his job, if she's going to smack him then she should expect it back

slight correction, he wasn't doing his job. his job is to stand on the door.

Akrasia · 19-04-2017 07:20PM

Guys, the whole reason the bouncer punched her wasn't because she was a woman trying to punch him.

She wasn't actually trying to hit him, she stumbled while she was trying to do a nazi salute, and we all agreed last month that it's always ok to punch a nazi.

scamalert · 19-04-2017 07:32PM

what if it wasnt a bouncer just random by passer would that also mean any drunk could swing a punch and sue person ?
Since b*tch seems mad crazy and if not bouncer could been someone else.since its not wrestmania and he did his job in minutes rather then dealing with nut.

way i see it,intentional or not most likely instincts kick in,and to be fair she walked off so hardly knock out.Anyway moral of story equal rights equal punches i guess.

But you'll always have people on high horse saying well that and that person doesn't have authority,what i see if one is being attacked,they should be able to equally defend.

gw80 · 19-04-2017 07:34PM

end of the road wrote: »

slight correction, he wasn't doing his job. his job is to stand on the door.

Sorry but he was doing his job, i would be very confident that that women was asked numerous times to walk away, he cannot walk away, bouncers are not punch bags for the general public, they are not fair game.
Some people seem to think that bouncers cannot hit back, bouncers have no special powers or privileges in the eyes of the law and have just as much right to defend themselves as any other member of the public

erica74 · 19-04-2017 07:39PM

MysticMonk wrote: »

Protect the premises.

protect the customers.

protect yourself.

That's about it really.

I find it difficult to believe that, in today's litigious society and in an industry where claims about bouncers going overboard with physical restraint etc is rife, that is the extent of the rules imposed by employers on their door staff.

andekwarhola · 19-04-2017 07:39PM

end of the road wrote: »

slight correction, he wasn't doing his job. his job is to stand on the door.

Your posts often make me think of that old guy in the Irvine Welsh novel that keeps shouting CORRECKSHIN!

pjohnson · 19-04-2017 07:52PM

end of the road wrote: »

slight correction, he wasn't doing his job. his job is to stand on the door.

Should he not check ID's? If hes meant to just stand still.

soups05 · 19-04-2017 07:52PM

on the whole holding/restraining aspect posted above, am i the only one who can see the second woman come out at the end? if the bouncer had held the first one,the second would be jumping in beating the head of him. As for those saying he should be held to a higher standard, he's a bouncer ffs, they are not peace keepers, guardians of moral authority etc. They are hired muscle whose job is to maintain order by being an intimidating presence.
no one goes to a club and thinks I better behave or the guys at the door may give me a stern talking to. They think I better behave or the big guy will kick the... anger outta me.

if this woman was allowed to hit him and get away with it then scrotes would be lining up to have a go and prove their worth.

on another point, some where saying how the bouncer should have ju jitsu or who flung dung or some other martial arts skills. what if the drunk skank holds a black belt? you have no way of knowing, that first wild swing could have been a feint to access the bouncers skill level before going all bruce lee on him. the resulting love tap she received made her change her mind :P

yes i do know how stupid that sounds, but no less stupid than some posters saying hold her lol.

19-04-2017 07:58PM

soups05 wrote: »

on the whole holding/restraining aspect posted above, am i the only one who can see the second woman come out at the end? if the bouncer had held the first one,the second would be jumping in beating the head of him. As for those saying he should be held to a higher standard, he's a bouncer ffs, they are not peace keepers, guardians of moral authority etc. They are hired muscle whose job is to maintain order by being an intimidating presence.
no one goes to a club and thinks I better behave or the guys at the door may give me a stern talking to. They think I better behave or the big guy will kick the... anger outta me.

if this woman was allowed to hit him and get away with it then scrotes would be lining up to have a go and prove their worth.

on another point, some where saying how the bouncer should have ju jitsu or who flung dung or some other martial arts skills. what if the drunk skank holds a black belt? you have no way of knowing, that first wild swing could have been a feint to access the bouncers skill level before going all bruce lee on him. the resulting love tap she received made her change her mind :P

yes i do know how stupid that sounds, but no less stupid than some posters saying hold her lol.

No, no I'm afraid it's really much worse, I did get a lol out of it though :pac:

Are Am Eye · 19-04-2017 08:42PM

riffmongous wrote: »

if this was the case bouncers could never eject someone from a club, which we all know is not the case.

They can eject someone from the private property. They can't detain them
in the premises. They can't lock them in a room. They can't hold them in a judo hold on the ground for half an hour.

If you are contradicting that fact you must quote the relevant law?

soups05 · 19-04-2017 08:42PM

glad to oblige riff, this place has been far too serious of late, AH used to be fun lol

Bouncer punches woman who tried to punch him.

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