Bouncer punches woman who tried to punch him.

seamus · 19-04-2017 03:57PM

Don't see an issue with there being "an investigation". That doesn't mean anyone is being suspected of anything, simply doing some interviews to find out what happened and if anyone should be charged. I'd be more concerned if incidents like this were happening and the police were just saying, "Yeah whatever, get out of my face".

Impossible to say if what he did was appropriate based on a grainy vertical video. She's incredibly drunk, so it would appear that he didn't strike her hard otherwise she would have gone down like a sack of spuds. It could very easily have been an automatic move on his part after the duck to try and push her back and he accidentally connected with her face.

Whatever he did, he didn't hit her with very much force and certainly had no intention to seriously harm her. I doubt, "evade and attempt to restrain" is on the self-defence 101 course, it seems like evading an attack and pushing your attacker back makes more sense than pulling them in close to you and trying to hold them down.

ZeitgeistGlee · 19-04-2017 03:57PM

His punch looks like it was instinct more than anything, but that he managed to pull most of it given she doesn't even fall after taking it. Pretty sure if he'd clocked her like some are implying she wouldn't have been still standing.

Hope the poor guy doesn't lose his job, if she was a he I doubt the popular reaction would've been much different to the bouncer vs the two guys on Parnell St from a few months back where everyone cheered the bouncer flattening the two lads.

IMO the gender of the attacker is irrelevant, everyone has the right to defend themselves if they're attacked regardless of who they're attacked by.

andekwarhola · 19-04-2017 03:58PM

It does look he did it instinctively, and if he'd hit her full force, she would been decked.

She could have had something on her hand for all he knew.

I'd say there was a long prelude to this, possibly with more slaps from her, if somebody was filming it.

Help!!!! · 19-04-2017 03:59PM

BattleCorp wrote: »

http://theliberal.ie/video-a-bouncer-is-being-interview-by-police-after-punching-a-woman-in-the-face-after-she-swung-at-him/

The bouncer is currently under police investigation for punching a woman after she threw a punch at him. Would he be under investigation if he had hit back at a man who tried to deck him?

What do you reckon folks, did the bouncer do right?

I'm kind of conflicted on this one. I absolutely believe that it's a scummy thing for a man to hit a woman but equally you can't allow half the population free reign to lash out at men either.

I think I'm going to go with equal rights here and say that he did right. She tried to assault him and the argument could be made that he acted in self defence.

Am I in the minority in thinking this?

Is it OK to punch a bully?? She being the bully because she thinks she can hit him but he cant hit her. I think YES!! anyway equal rights & self defence all come into play as well

silverharp · 19-04-2017 04:01PM

pjohnson wrote: »

I dont think its Hollywood more Social Media. She has her viral video now so she can try to become some kind of Facebook Feminist/Celebrity creature for a few weeks.

social media is making them more available so I'd accept its always been thus. In this case I doubt she knew she was being filmed, and given the state of her I doubt she will want the attention.
I wonder though has it become more socially acceptable for women to get involved in fights or to hit men on the assumption that men don't hit back? On the flip side everyone has equality bouncing around in their heads so men are constantly being told to treat women as equals. if they can be combat soldiers and on the beat police then they can be treated as equals if they start being violent

19-04-2017 04:01PM

andekwarhola wrote: »

It does look he did it instinctively, and if he'd hit her full force, she would been decked.

She could have had something on her hand for all he knew.

I'd say there was a long prelude to this, possibly with more slaps from her, if somebody was filming it.

Can it be instinctive and puled though? If he had the thought to pull the punch and not go full force, then the punch was hardly instinctive anymore

seamus · 19-04-2017 04:01PM

Arghus wrote: »

The bouncer should have shown some restraint. That's what they are supposed to do.

What would you suggest?

You're the bouncer. She takes a swing, you duck. Now what? She's standing six inches away from you, possibly falling towards you.

What do you do next that you would consider to be "showing restraint"?

Widdershins · 19-04-2017 04:02PM

Why should he have to think on the spot how to get and keep her away from him? Is he supposed to stand there politely keeping her at arms length until she got bored of trying to hit him? What if she picked up a bottle and smashed it and ran at him with that? Being the target of someone's vicious aggression and attempt to physically hit you would understandably anger someone.

The fact that he has the better punch is her tough luck. Maybe she'll think twice before attacking someone the next time.
And she's on heels and probably drunk, yet his punch only made her stagger, I doubt it was that hard.

She probably has horrible long false nails on as well. Imagine getting a face full of them from some harpy?

19-04-2017 04:04PM

seamus wrote: »

What would you suggest?

You're the bouncer. She takes a swing, you duck. Now what? She's standing six inches away from you, possibly falling towards you.

What do you do next that you would consider to be "showing restraint"?

How about trying to restraining her? Bouncers do it to people all the time

19-04-2017 04:05PM

Where is Makikkomi? He's the bouncing expert around here

andekwarhola · 19-04-2017 04:06PM

riffmongous wrote: »

How about trying to restraining her? Bouncers do it to people all the time

Male restraining a drunk, aggressive woman in these litigious times. What could possibly go wrong.

Guy would probably be on a kangaroo court hiding no matter what he did.

BattleCorp · 19-04-2017 04:06PM

riffmongous wrote: »

How about trying to restraining her? Bouncers do it to people all the time

As I've said earlier in this thread, try restraining a drunk woman/anybody. It ain't easy. And besides, even if he successfully restrains her, he is then leaving himself open to the accusation that he touched her t1ts/ar5e/puddy etc.

Plus, while the bouncer is busy restraining somebody, then it leaves him pretty vulnerable to an attack from somebody else.

seamus · 19-04-2017 04:07PM

riffmongous wrote: »

How about trying to restraining her? Bouncers do it to people all the time

Would it have been appropriate, legal and even possible in this case though?

Dravokivich · 19-04-2017 04:07PM

Paddy Cow wrote: »

I'm all for self defense but I watched the video and she was no threat. I would say the same thing if she was a man. She was so drunk he easily ducked her pathetic punch. He could easily restrained her or pushed her over. In this case it was a complete over reaction on his part.

Come off it, all it took was one punch from the bouncer and there didn't seem much in it, then she sulked off. Better to do that than just stand there taking a number of measly punches from someone.

Ideally he should have caught her arm as she threw her punch and restrained her. But maybe he figured at the time (because we don't see what lead up to it) that it'd be more effective to just strike back. He didn't go chasing after her.

The liberal are being very liberal with how they are presenting it. Without any form of criticism or exposition on the event. Just regurgitating crap as usual.

yerwanthere123 · 19-04-2017 04:09PM

Self-defense I'm afraid. Don't dish it out if you can't take it.

19-04-2017 04:09PM

BattleCorp wrote: »

As I've said earlier in this thread, try restraining a drunk woman/anybody. It ain't easy. And besides, even if he successfully restrains her, he is then leaving himself open to the accusation that he touched her t1ts/ar5e/puddy etc.

Plus, while the bouncer is busy restraining somebody, then it leaves him pretty vulnerable to an attack from somebody else.

How do bouncers manage at all to do their job every single night if they are unable to restrain people? How do they manage to get unruly people to leave a club?

19-04-2017 04:10PM

Restrain her, she has a panic attack, he's a scumbag. :pac:

One eyed Jack · 19-04-2017 04:10PM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

A drunk woman who tried to punch him first....you seem determined to ignore her actions for some reason.

I'll leave it to you to figure out why the doorman's actions are being investigated, and the woman's actions aren't. I'll give you a clue though - when you think you can get away with doing something to someone because the chances are high they won't remember it the next day... thank fcuk for it being recorded.

Arghus · 19-04-2017 04:17PM

seamus wrote: »

What would you suggest?

You're the bouncer. She takes a swing, you duck. Now what? She's standing six inches away from you, possibly falling towards you.

What do you do next that you would consider to be "showing restraint"?

I'm not sure, but if his instinctive response to every punch thrown by a tottering female drunk in heels is to throw one right back into their faces without thinking - then bouncing is probably not the ideal career for him.

And I've seen more doormen over the years not respond in kind with fists straightaway when someone tries to deck them, so obviously another approach is possible.

armaghlad · 19-04-2017 04:17PM

Hitting a girl is repulsive.

Our family business is in hospitality and if any of our doorstaff behaved like this we'd be looking for new security.

Self defence argument is bs as is the equality argument. For a start, If a doorman feels threatened by a girl who is built like an empty wetsuit then he shouldnt be be on the doors.

Secondly, she didn't even pose a threat, a girl throwing a punch at someone with double (or more) the strength does not constitute a threat. Complete lack of professionalism on his part. If it was a male, I could understand as a man poses a significant threat and reasonable force can be justified in diffusing the situation.

The fact he automatically lashed out at a girl is worrying and I hope he is charged for assault and loses his job off the back of it.

Dravokivich · 19-04-2017 04:18PM

riffmongous wrote: »

How do bouncers manage at all to do their job every single night if they are unable to restrain people? How do they manage to get unruly people to leave a club?

The one time a bouncer in The Woolshed had to react physically it became viral across the internet. All the times I've been to that pub, all the staff have been reasonable and courteous. What we are seeing in the video provided is an extreme event in similar circumstances that is being distributed to capture a similar wave of attention. Nothing more. I doubt the Liberal will even do a follow up to report on any outcome from the investigation, because there'll be fÃºck all hits in it for them.

Game Face MCGee · 19-04-2017 04:18PM

bouncers shouldn't be hitting anyone!

SEPT 23 1989 · 19-04-2017 04:19PM

not very professional by the bouncer swinging digs at a punter provoked or not

19-04-2017 04:20PM

Dravokivich wrote: »

The one time a bouncer in The Woolshed had to react physically it became viral across the internet. All the times I've been to that pub, all the staff have been reasonable and courteous. What we are seeing in the video provided is an extreme event in similar circumstances that is being distributed to capture a similar wave of attention. Nothing more. I doubt the Liberal will even do a follow up to report on any outcome from the investigation, because there'll be fÃºck all hits in it for them.

Those were very different circumstances in the Woolshed case

AudreyHepburn · 19-04-2017 04:20PM

One eyed Jack wrote: »

I'll leave it to you to figure out why the doorman's actions are being investigated, and the woman's actions aren't. I'll give you a clue though - when you think you can get away with doing something to someone because the chances are high they won't remember it the next day... thank fcuk for it being recorded.

Less of the hysterics please, that's not even close to what happened and I think you know that really tbh.

You seem to laboring under the impression that the woman did nothing wrong, that she was a innocent victim which could not be further than the truth.

Outlaw Pete · 19-04-2017 04:22PM

As Dave Chappelle said: "Chivalry's dead... and women killed it."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdIgCXa4WKY

19-04-2017 04:22PM

seamus wrote: »

Would it have been appropriate, legal and even possible in this case though?

Versus punching someone? Yes yes* and yes

*once it's not done excessively violently

AudreyHepburn · 19-04-2017 04:22PM

armaghlad wrote: »

Hitting a girl is repulsive.

Our family business is in hospitality and if any of our doorstaff behaved like this we'd be looking for new security.

Self defence argument is bs as is the equality argument. For a start, If a doorman feels threatened by a girl who is built like an empty wetsuit then he shouldnt be be on the doors.

Secondly, she didn't even pose a threat, a girl throwing a punch at someone with double (or more) the strength does not constitute a threat. Complete lack of professionalism on his part. If it was a male, I could understand as a man poses a significant threat and reasonable force can be justified in diffusing the situation.

The fact he automatically lashed out at a girl is worrying and I hope he is charged for assault and loses his job off the back of it.

Where on earth are people getting the idea that this was out of the blue or unprovoked? She went to punch him! What's he supposed to do? Just stand there and take it because she's woman?

Gender shouldn't come into this.

Roger Hassenforder · 19-04-2017 04:24PM

Nothwithstanding all the references to the bouncer as "him", I think the Bouncer looks more female, which might explain why it was being filmed...
Am I alone?

HenryHill · 19-04-2017 04:26PM

Someone assaults you, you do what's necessary to make sure they can't do it again. As for it being a woman, sure we are all equals, eh feminists? ðŸ˜‚

Bouncer punches woman who tried to punch him.

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