Official Conor McGregor thread (part 3) *Updated Warning in 1st Post Re:Boxing match

.ak · 15-04-2017 01:34AM

wonderfullife wrote: »

This is a brilliant and complete breakdown of the Alvarez fight and one of the best I've ever seen.

Conor was playing 4D chess against Eddie's checkers. This video is superb, informative and will give people a new appreciation of how masterful a performance it really was. I must have watched the fight 30+ times and this breakdown points out things I completely missed (such as the right hook Conor threw in between the double left that dropped Eddie the first time).

That's great, thanks for sharing.

The little steps forward under the masked right jabs are class, I didn't pick them up at all but you can see how deliberate the movement is and how effective it is.

So many people bang on about how Eddie was making mistakes and lost the fight himself, but when you see videos like that you understand from once the bell rang Conor was stealing from Eddie; stealing ring space, stealing movements, stealing his slip options, stealing the space between them without Eddie even really realising what was going on. Very impressive.

wonderfullife · 15-04-2017 02:22AM

.ak wrote: »

That's great, thanks for sharing.

The little steps forward under the masked right jabs are class, I didn't pick them up at all but you can see how deliberate the movement is and how effective it is.

So many people bang on about how Eddie was making mistakes and lost the fight himself, but when you see videos like that you understand from once the bell rang Conor was stealing from Eddie; stealing ring space, stealing movements, stealing his slip options, stealing the space between them without Eddie even really realising what was going on. Very impressive.

It's very clear how intimidated Eddie was by Conor. I don't for one second mean he was scared because it's crazy to call any UFC fighter scared - they get into a cage for a living. But it's beyond obvious that all these fighters respect the hell out of Conor's ability and his left hand. Think about his last 4 opponents - Chad Mendes is a pressure fighting wrestler with a good overhand. Aldo is a pressure fighter with awesome muay thai and kicks. Diaz is a pressure fighter with great boxing and jits. Alvarez a pressure fighter with wrestling and boxing.

Yet in all of those fights, for the opening 2 rounds they were all intimidated from the opening bell from pressuring forward because they all knew Conor's counters are the real deal. Worse again, when they did pressure forward they were anxious in their strikes because of the fear of being dropped with a counter. That's such a potent weapon to be able to deter a pressure fighter from coming at you right from the opening bell simply because they're worried from the get-go about being caught.

There's many factors that go in to making Conor a next-level talent and amazing fighter but in my opinion he has the best vision in all of MMA, certainly the very best in the UFC. People talk about his timing and movement but what makes all of that so special is his vision. He's always got his eyes on the target.

This video edit against Nate illustrates it well. Watch Conor's eyes on every single strike thrown, even the leg kicks. Never fails to give a few goosebumps this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afTkUgdNTEI

D.Q · 15-04-2017 04:23PM

wonderfullife wrote: »

It's very clear how intimidated Eddie was by Conor. I don't for one second mean he was scared because it's crazy to call any UFC fighter scared - they get into a cage for a living. But it's beyond obvious that all these fighters respect the hell out of Conor's ability and his left hand. Think about his last 4 opponents - Chad Mendes is a pressure fighting wrestler with a good overhand. Aldo is a pressure fighter with awesome muay thai and kicks. Diaz is a pressure fighter with great boxing and jits. Alvarez a pressure fighter with wrestling and boxing.

Yet in all of those fights, for the opening 2 rounds they were all intimidated from the opening bell from pressuring forward because they all knew Conor's counters are the real deal. Worse again, when they did pressure forward they were anxious in their strikes because of the fear of being dropped with a counter. That's such a potent weapon to be able to deter a pressure fighter from coming at you right from the opening bell simply because they're worried from the get-go about being caught.

There's many factors that go in to making Conor a next-level talent and amazing fighter but in my opinion he has the best vision in all of MMA, certainly the very best in the UFC. People talk about his timing and movement but what makes all of that so special is his vision. He's always got his eyes on the target.

This video edit against Nate illustrates it well. Watch Conor's eyes on every single strike thrown, even the leg kicks. Never fails to give a few goosebumps this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afTkUgdNTEI

Great post

Mellor · 17-04-2017 12:26PM

CatFromHue wrote: »

I think that might be a parody from Mofasa there

He's just a twitter random making a joke. He's not actually pretend that conversation happened.

Dillion Danis parodies are the last thing we need now. His ego would love that

PREG1967 · 17-04-2017 12:29PM

is nitrous oxide tested by USADA?

empacher · 17-04-2017 03:25PM

PREG1967 wrote: »

is nitrous oxide tested by USADA?

Is he on the laughing gas now aswell? Or becoming an illegal street racer?

JohnMc1 · 17-04-2017 03:39PM

empacher wrote: »

Is he on the laughing gas now aswell? Or becoming an illegal street racer?

He's definitely on something.

http://www.scrapdigest.com/conor-mcgregor-trashes-hotel-room-ends-smashed-treehouse/16153/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=cung%20le

LollipopJimmy · 17-04-2017 03:40PM

empacher wrote: »

Is he on the laughing gas now aswell? Or becoming an illegal street racer?

Only pussy street racers use nos... The fast and the furious has a lot to answer for

empacher · 17-04-2017 03:50PM

LollipopJimmy wrote: »

Only pussy street racers use nos... The fast and the furious has a lot to answer for

Only pussies use nitrometh. Get ya **** together man.

LollipopJimmy · 17-04-2017 03:53PM

empacher wrote: »

Only pussies use nitrometh. Get ya **** together man.

Exactly my point... the fast and the furious miseducating (is that even a word?) people. 18 speed gearboxes and nos making a floorpan fall off

markc91 · 17-04-2017 05:25PM

http://smackhisface.com/2017/04/17/breaking-news-conor-mcgregor-returns-at-ufc-213-you-wont-believe-the-matchup/ I presume it's bs but I wouldn't be suprised on the other hand

John_D80 · 17-04-2017 05:37PM

PREG1967 wrote: »

is nitrous oxide tested by USADA?

empacher wrote: »

Is he on the laughing gas now aswell? Or becoming an illegal street racer?

Before steroids became so big in bodybuilding, nitrous oxide was the performance enhancer of choice for many bodybuilders I believe.

Dont know what it does though.

PREG1967 · 17-04-2017 05:40PM

markc91 wrote: »

http://smackhisface.com/2017/04/17/breaking-news-conor-mcgregor-returns-at-ufc-213-you-wont-believe-the-matchup/ I presume it's bs but I wouldn't be suprised on the other hand

if so woodley is gonna be a bridge to far, how many fights he left on his contract? will maynotweather still be interested if he loses them all

JohnMc1 · 17-04-2017 09:23PM

John_D80 wrote: »

Before steroids became so big in bodybuilding, nitrous oxide was the performance enhancer of choice for many bodybuilders I believe.

Dont know what it does though.

Its known as "Laughing Gas"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitrous_oxide

I'm guessing Bodybuilders use/d it to help relax after workout to aid in recovery. And increase oxygen to the muscles.

Its still used in some Supplements.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Nitric-Oxide-1000mg-Capsules-Neulife/dp/B01HGQXGD8/ref=sr_1_3_s_it?s=drugstore&ie=UTF8&qid=1492460547&sr=1-3&keywords=Nitrous+oxide

JohnMc1 · 17-04-2017 09:30PM

markc91 wrote: »

http://smackhisface.com/2017/04/17/breaking-news-conor-mcgregor-returns-at-ufc-213-you-wont-believe-the-matchup/ I presume it's bs but I wouldn't be suprised on the other hand

Conor will fight out the remainder of his UFC contract as fast as he can

Yeah, you'll be free to go soon with that LW belt you're holding hostage. :rolleyes: Kavanagh or someone from from SBG might want to remind Conor about a little something called the "Champion's clause". They'll keep extending his contract as long as he's Champion.

See Conor. It pays to defend your belt.

raze_them_all_ · 17-04-2017 09:59PM

He will just relinquish it like the other 3 titles he has had and never defended

JohnMc1 · 17-04-2017 10:25PM

raze_them_all_ wrote: »

He will just relinquish it like the other 3 titles he has had and never defended

I doubt they'll just let him relinquish the belt just so leave the promotion. He'll have a nice court case. If he's not pissing his money away in booze fests the legal fees will take what's left.

Lukker- · 17-04-2017 10:45PM

He's not fighting Tyron Woodley, well he might but it's definitely not his next fight.

JohnMc1 · 17-04-2017 10:58PM

Lukker- wrote: »

He's not fighting Tyron Woodley, well he might but it's definitely not his next fight.

Thank God. He shouldn't get another title shot until he proves he's willing to defend the one he already has.

wonderfullife · 18-04-2017 12:29AM

markc91 wrote: »

I presume it's bs but I wouldn't be suprised on the other hand

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/3345024/ufc-star-conor-mcgregors-aintree-hotel-suite-is-trashed-and-left-strewn-with-nitrous-oxide-canisters-but-he-hired-specialists-to-clean-up-afterwards/

Noted respected publication "The Sun" has pictures of the hotel room. Fag burns all over the couch, 20 cannisters of Nitrous Oxide and a private company hired by Conor to clean room/repair damage.

They added the usual disclaimer at the end - "there is no suggestion McGregor took laughing gas" - after a whole article suggesting precisely that.

Mellor · 18-04-2017 06:42AM

JohnMc1 wrote: »

John_D80 wrote: »

Before steroids became so big in bodybuilding, nitrous oxide was the performance enhancer of choice for many bodybuilders I believe.

Dont know what it does though.

Its known as "Laughing Gas"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitrous_oxide

I'm guessing Bodybuilders use/d it to help relax after workout to aid in recovery. And increase oxygen to the muscles.

Its still used in some Supplements.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Nitric-Oxide-1000mg-Capsules-Neulife/dp/B01HGQXGD8/ref=sr_1_3_s_it?s=drugstore&ie=UTF8&qid=1492460547&sr=1-3&keywords=Nitrous+oxide

That's nitric oxide. Completely different to nitrous oxide.

JohnMc1 · 18-04-2017 01:00PM

Mellor wrote: »

That's nitric oxide. Completely different to nitrous oxide.

Thanks for the correction. I googled nitrous oxide and that's what came up.

Jamiekelly · 18-04-2017 08:45PM

raze_them_all_ wrote: »

He will just relinquish it like the other 3 titles he has had and never defended

I've seen this being mentioned a lot lately, Conor's Cage Warriors belts and how he never defended them either. Well, what would you do? Fight for 400 quid for some "Champions honour" or make $90,000+ in a debut fight for the biggest MMA organisation in the world?

Say what you want about his UFC titles, to bring up the CW titles is just being spiteful for spiteful sake.

TherapyBoy · 18-04-2017 10:14PM

Doesn't change the fact he's won 4 titles & defended them collectively 0 times. If the Mayweather thing works out for him before the end of the year I could see him never fighting again, MMA or boxing.

wonderfullife · 19-04-2017 02:10AM

TherapyBoy wrote: »

Doesn't change the fact he's won 4 titles & defended them collectively 0 times. If the Mayweather thing works out for him before the end of the year I could see him never fighting again, MMA or boxing.

I know people point to Mighty Mouse but the reality is Conor is never going to be allowed by the UFC to follow the Anderson, GSP, Jon Jones and Mighty Mouse paths of consecutive title defences - even if he wanted to (which he clearly doesn't). Mighty Mouse is allowed to rack up title defences because nobody gives a monkeys who he fights. He holds 3 of the top 5 lowest PPV sales of the last decade and holds the current lowest ratings for a UFC Event on Fox. His pay reflects that too, he earned $135,000 to show for UFC 197 while Conor got $3,000,000 to show for UFC 202.

DJ is allowed to defend his title against nobodies because it makes very little financial difference to the UFC who he defends against. The casual MMA fan doesn't know (or care) who Tim Elliott was or the fact that he was an unranked TUF winner. Mighty Mouse baselines around 140,000 PPV buys when he headlines. He can fight anyone in the entire Flyweight roster, even someone unranked and it'll make almost zero difference to the numbers he'd pull in against the number 1 contender.

Conor, on the other hand, is a bankable baseline 1m PPV buys these days but crucially there is a huge difference financially for the UFC in who he fights against. The demand for a Conor fight is going to be big after this extended break. So if the UFC pitched him in against Khabib, you could make a strong case for the fight breaking 1.5 million PPV buys. A Nate trilogy showdown would be pushing 1.8 million. An attempt at history (Woodley's title) would do likewise. If GSP beats Bisping, it'd be within the realms of reality Conor v GSP super-fight breaks the magic 2 million barrier for MMA.

Whereas if you pitched Conor in against similar unranked "bums" like Mighty Mouse fights such as Rustam Khabilov, Rashid Magomedov or even mid-ranked guys like Chiesa, Barbosa, Kevin Lee, you would be looking at closer to 1 million buys. More to the point, there are no "bums" relatively speaking at 155lbs, they're stone-cold-killers who could easily turn Conor's lights off if he's not on his A-game. Who Conor fights matters hugely to the financial interests of the UFC. Who Mighty Mouse fights matters zero to their financial interest. Thus, Dana will let Mighty Mouse win 20-straight if he wants.

TL;DR: Conor can't fight bums to rack up a streak of title defences because the financial drop-off in doing so (fighting lower ranked fighters) is MASSIVE for the UFC and the risk of defeat at the hands of them is far higher. The difference between Conor v Nate 3 and Conor v Barbosa is tens of millions financially. The difference between MM v Cejudo and MM v Elliott is tens of dollars.

Incidentally, Conor has 4 fights left on his existing contract (per Dana White Feb 2017) and the one mis-step he made in his career to date was signing that 8-fight-deal before UFC 194. I feel he will honour that contract and fight it out (he talks about loyalty a lot and he'll probably want to honour it for Lorenzo/Dana who gave it to him).

I will say this - if you're right and Conor does get rich and get out with 0 title defences and his health in tact, we should all be delighted for any young fighter to do that and I'd hope many more follow his path.

Mr. Manager · 19-04-2017 08:35AM

Not sure what that long post has to do with the post you quoted.

He has 0 defences (not that I give a flying f*ck - the whole "you're aren't a champ till you defend doesn't bother me).

Just because they have to strategise who he fights doesn't mean he doesn't have to fight for the belt.
There are money making fights for the belt at 155.

Ugh, I can't believe I'm talking about money making fights and not legitimate contender fights. The UFC is slowly becoming a total joke show with this sh*t

The Ayatolla · 19-04-2017 08:57AM

TherapyBoy wrote: »

Doesn't change the fact he's won 4 titles & defended them collectively 0 times.

What a silly statement.

You could argue in his and everyone's minds he was "defending" his CWFC belt against Brimage. I'm sure there's plenty of fighters who won belts in minnow organisations and stepped up to UFC to never defend them. Strikeforce probably a more obvious example.

He also cleaned out the UFC FW division. There's no one left there to fight. Please don't say Frankie Edgar, he couldn't land a punch against Aldo and always fails when the spotlight shines. Conor's most recent fight was a victorious LW title victory. When should he have defended these belts realistically?

akelly02 · 19-04-2017 09:45AM

The Ayatolla wrote: »

What a silly statement.

You could argue in his and everyone's minds he was "defending" his CWFC belt against Brimage. I'm sure there's plenty of fighters who won belts in minnow organisations and stepped up to UFC to never defend them. Strikeforce probably a more obvious example.

He also cleaned out the UFC FW division. There's no one left there to fight. Please don't say Frankie Edgar, he couldn't land a punch against Aldo and always fails when the spotlight shines. Conor's most recent fight was a victorious LW title victory. When should he have defended these belts realistically?

Now wouldnt be a bad time to defend it, and before the nate rematch he should have defended his FW belt

thewheel2.0 · 19-04-2017 10:26AM

I'd love an aul Mayweather fight rumor so the belts debate isn't done to death again.

The Ayatolla · 19-04-2017 10:27AM

akelly02 wrote: »

Now wouldnt be a bad time to defend it, and before the nate rematch he should have defended his FW belt

Right now he's taking some well deserved time off, blowing off some steam and about to be a father.

Who should he have fought instead of Nate? He wanted to avenge a loss. The LW belt at that time was tied up and he had cleaned out the FW division.

Official Conor McGregor thread (part 3) *Updated Warning in 1st Post Re:Boxing match

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