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The Easter Rising

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  • #62
    indioblack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,961 ✭✭✭indioblack


    Listowel Man wrote: »
    shocking just how poor Michael Collins is

    the aww jaysus acting makes me cringe
    I remember the phrase from an ITV Playhouse production decades ago.
    There was another with Patrick Troughton called "He Rises on Sunday and We on Monday".
    I doubt if works like these would stand up to modern scrutiny - probably too stage-Irish - yet the essential message would have been the same.
    There was a marvelous black comedy about the hotel that was continually being bombed - the Europa, I think it was called.
    One scene had a gigantic explosion heard outside - inside there was dust and smoke. "Don't worry sir," says the waiter to one of the guests, "it's just the British army making the place safe".


  • #63
    FTA69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,252 ✭✭✭FTA69


    maryishere wrote: »
    The Irish people who went to fight in WW1 went for a variety of reasons. One reason some of them went for, for example, was to defend Europe against the invading Germans, who invaded and raped little Catholic Belgium, for example.
    Of course, your hatred of the British, which was bred in to you, stops you from seeing that.

    What was little Catholic Belgium doing in the Congo around that time? World War 1 was about various empires clashing over power and trade; not some glorious struggle for democracy. Belgium was probably the most vicious colonist ever to take part in the rape of Africa.

    I don't think anyone here hates Britain or its people; I'd think it far more likely that you and some other posters here have inherited some bizarre case of post-colonial inferiority complex if anything.


  • #64
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,462 ✭✭✭blinding


    The british in Ireland were 'A lovely Bunch of Lads "

    Just unfortunate how many Irish starved /died , discriminated against etc......

    We were lucky that they were ' A lovely bunch of lads " ............


  • #65
    maryishere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    indioblack wrote: »
    One scene had a gigantic explosion heard outside - inside there was dust and smoke.

    I think you wil find that practically all the damage and death caused by explosions during the troubles was committed by Republicans....98 or 99% of the explosions anyway.


  • #66
    Listowel Man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 82 ✭✭Listowel Man


    blinding wrote: »
    The british in Ireland were 'A lovely Bunch of Lads "
    there will never be a united ireland because what was done in our name by the IRA makes most people sick


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  • #67
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,462 ✭✭✭blinding


    Listowel Man wrote: »
    there will never be a united ireland because what was done in our name by the IRA makes most people sick
    Haven't most people in Ireland forgotten what the British have done in Ireland over the centuries .

    Every thing/body is forgotten eventually . It will be about what the people of a certain time in the future believe is best for them . Admittedly the actions of the IRA may have pushed this time further ahead .

    If we are not to forget the actions of the IRA should we also not forget the actions of the British and their proxy terrorists . Perhaps the British were controlling two sets of proxy terrorists....

    We have been so lucky that the British were " A lovely bunch of Lads in Ireland "

    Just as well they never turned nasty......


  • #68
    Listowel Man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 82 ✭✭Listowel Man


    maryishere wrote: »
    I think you wil find that practically all the damage and death caused by explosions during the troubles was committed by Republicans....98 or 99% of the explosions anyway.
    like the vatican all SF/IRA were afraid of was being exposed and that day has come


  • #69
    indioblack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,961 ✭✭✭indioblack


    maryishere wrote: »
    I think you wil find that practically all the damage and death caused by explosions during the troubles was committed by Republicans....98 or 99% of the explosions anyway.
    Understood. I was wandering down memory lane, [a sometimes unreliable avenue], and recalling tv depictions of 1916 - and one contemporary production from 1970. Interesting that one tv drama concerning 1916 was aired in 1969 - just as events were unfolding in the north.


  • #70
    Listowel Man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 82 ✭✭Listowel Man


    blinding wrote: »
    Haven't most people in Ireland forgotten what the British have done in Ireland over the centuries .

    Every thing/body is forgotten eventually . It will be about what the people of a certain time in the future believe is best for them . Admittedly the actions of the IRA may have pushed this time further ahead .

    If we are not to forget the actions of the IRA should we also not forget the actions of the British and their proxy terrorists . Perhaps the British were controlling two sets of proxy terrorists....

    We have been so lucky that the British were " A lovely bunch of Lads in Ireland "

    Just as well they never turned nasty......
    the british soldiers were vicious *beep* but they're not in dail eireann atm acting like butter wouldnt melt


  • #71
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,462 ✭✭✭blinding


    Listowel Man wrote: »
    the british soldiers were vicious *beep* but they're not in dail eireann atm acting like butter wouldnt melt
    Could the Irish Independent newspaper and Fine Gael not get a few of them elected...........:eek:


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  • #72
    PhuckHugh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 683 ✭✭✭PhuckHugh


    SHE said, They gave me of their best,
    They lived, they gave their lives for me;
    I tossed them to the howling waste,
    And flung them to the foaming sea.

    She said, I never gave them aught, 5
    Not mine the power, if mine the will;
    I let them starve, I let them bleed,”
    They bled and starved, and loved me still.

    She said, Ten times they fought for me,
    Ten times they strove with might and main, 10
    Ten times I saw them beaten down,
    Ten times they rose, and fought again.

    She said, I stayed alone at home,
    A dreary woman, grey and cold;
    I never asked them how they fared, 15
    Yet still they loved me as of old.

    She said, I never called them sons,
    I almost ceased to breathe their name,
    Then caught it echoing down the wind,
    Blown backwards from the lips of Fame.20

    She said, Not mine, not mine that fame;
    Far over sea, far over land,
    Cast forth like rubbish from my shores,
    They won it yonder, sword in hand.

    She said, God knows they owe me nought, 25
    I tossed them to the foaming sea,
    I tossed them to the howling waste,
    Yet still their love comes home to me.


  • #73
    MRnotlob606
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,642 ✭✭✭MRnotlob606


    Listowel Man wrote: »
    the british soldiers were vicious *beep* but they're not in dail eireann atm acting like butter wouldnt melt

    But Gerry Adams (I'm sure your referring to) as put down the gun and has entered into parliamentary democracy. I think your attitude is very scornful of the progress we have made since.


    You argue that the case that a United Ireland looks unlikely because of the atrocities carried about by the IRA. I would counter that argument by saying a United Ireland looks more likely now that little Britain decided to leave European Union.

    Northern Ireland didn't even vote for Brexit, just shows how farcical the whole situation is.


  • #74
    maryishere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    MRnotlob606 wrote: »
    I would counter that argument by saying a United Ireland looks more likely now that little Britain decided to leave European Union.

    As several economists have said, it is likely the EU will not survive and IRExit is only a matter of time. Besides, there would be no border in these islands if it were not for Republicans.


  • #75
    Listowel Man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 82 ✭✭Listowel Man


    maryishere wrote: »
    As several economists have said, it is likely the EU will not survive and IRExit is only a matter of time. Besides, there would be no border in these islands if it were not for Republicans.
    the border made/continues to make a lot of money for people like slab murphy

    as if SF/IRA are just going to give up that ..


  • #76
    A Little Pony
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,875 ✭✭✭A Little Pony


    Junkyard Tom wrote: »
    A Little Pony wrote: »
    Absolutely and utterly irrelevant to the topic and has no bearing at all to what you are talking about.

    It was perfectly in keeping with the flow of the discussion. Just because it makes uncomfortable reading for you doesn't mean you should be afraid of the discussion.

    It would be poetic justice if a +50% vote for a UI in the north bounced it straight back into the EU via a united Ireland, wouldn't it?
    You can wish for something as much as you want. I wish to be a billionaire too. But I have heard it all before, the same thing will be said on this forum next year and the year after that and the year after that and so on. It is beyond boring.


  • #77
    Widdershins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,633 ✭✭✭✭Widdershins


    indioblack wrote: »
    I remember the phrase from an ITV Playhouse production decades ago.
    There was another with Patrick Troughton called "He Rises on Sunday and We on Monday".
    I doubt if works like these would stand up to modern scrutiny - probably too stage-Irish - yet the essential message would have been the same.
    There was a marvelous black comedy about the hotel that was continually being bombed - the Europa, I think it was called.
    One scene had a gigantic explosion heard outside - inside there was dust and smoke. "Don't worry sir," says the waiter to one of the guests, "it's just the British army making the place safe".

    I'd love to see that comedy, trying to find it on Google


  • #78
    PhuckHugh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 683 ✭✭✭PhuckHugh


    maryishere wrote: »
    As several economists have said, it is likely the EU will not survive and IRExit is only a matter of time. Besides, there would be no border in these islands if it were not for Republicans.

    No borders only for republicans ? Can you flesh that out?


  • #79
    MRnotlob606
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,642 ✭✭✭MRnotlob606


    maryishere wrote: »
    As several economists have said, it is likely the EU will not survive and IRExit is only a matter of time. Besides, there would be no border in these islands if it were not for Republicans.

    Can you reference these economists?


  • #80
    DEFTLEFTHAND
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,499 ✭✭✭✭DEFTLEFTHAND


    FTA69 wrote: »
    Sounds like your family is a shower of cringing forelock tuggers. Were they police informers as well?

    Typical response I suppose. It's ironic that your lads call rat every time someone offers of an alternative view to our history, your paramiltary organisation was riddled with touts.

    We had class and believed in parliamentary democracy, not violence and mindless killing.


  • #81
    FTA69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,252 ✭✭✭FTA69


    DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »
    Typical response I suppose. It's ironic that your lads call rat every time someone offers of an alternative view to our history, your paramiltary organisation was riddled with touts.

    We had class and believed in parliamentary democracy, not violence and mindless killing.

    Right so you oppose mindless killing but at the same time are cheerleading men who encouraged tens of thousands of Irishmen to get slaughtered in muddy fields by mustard gas and machine guns so the British Empire could stick it to the Germans over colonies and trade rivalry.

    That makes sense alright.

    The reality is that for all your moral posturing on the use of violence, you're fully and totally prepared to back state violence to the hilt; even the state violence of a foreign imperialist country directed against your own people. Someone else highlighted posts you made on this topic before - the slavish devotion to the idea that Ireland was in need of or deserving of colonisation from Britain.

    Unfortunately we've always had people of that perspective in Ireland; those who would automatically side with power and privilege against the common good for some mad reason. Thankfully we've always had a few who would oppose that too.


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  • #82
    indioblack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,961 ✭✭✭indioblack


    Widdershins wrote: »
    I'd love to see that comedy, trying to find it on Google
    If you do, let me know - helluva long time ago, though.
    Just had a quick look - no joy.
    Not surprising - it was broadcast in 1970!
    One of the cast was a very young Victor Meldrew - Richard Wilson.
    If you search for "Would you look at them etc.." you'll find the IMDb site which gives the cast and a little info.
    .............just been searching again, no luck. Almost all the searches take me to BBC programs - and this was ITV Comedy Playhouse.


  • #83
    maryishere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    MRnotlob606 wrote: »
    Can you reference these economists?
    Wolfgang Münchau for one has made comments along those lines. ;)


  • #84
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,094 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    maryishere wrote: »
    Wolfgang Münchau for one has made comments along those lines. ;)

    Nah, he hasn't. Well, imagine that: maryishere telling porkies once again...


  • #85
    RobFowl
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,684 Mod ✭✭✭✭RobFowl


    My great aunt Katie was in the GPO when they took it over. Wrote a letter home to the family describing it which we still have. Its fascinating though not exactly pro the rising, seems more concerned about the dead horses on the streets and disruption after (was written only few days later).


  • #86
    maryishere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Nah, he hasn't. ..

    Yes he has. "Ireland may have to consider leaving EU
    ‘Unsustainable business model’ in an EU where taxes are harmonised could see ‘Irexit’"

    http://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/wolfgang-m%C3%BCnchau-ireland-may-have-to-consider-leaving-eu-1.2823535


  • #87
    mr67stag
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 67 ✭✭mr67stag


    Touts were always the downfall of the the irish ,and the British knew how to pull the strings all to well.
    Eamonn Devalera was probaly Britians finest tout.
    Before the tirad of abuse for such a revalation ,consider the known fact.

    Not excuted for his bit part in Easter rising on the grounds that he was a us citizen,begging for clemency with his US birth cert to the Embassy ,so we are told ,remember Tom Clarke was a US citizen also but so how with out the same luck.
    He turned his back very quickly on the the republician movement fairly rapid interning them during the war.
    Prefentel treatment for RAF during WW2.
    Lets not even mention his dodgy Irish Press share scam in the US which netted millions in todays terms.


  • #88
    maryishere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    mr67stag wrote: »
    Not excuted for his bit part in Easter rising on the grounds that he was a us citizen,begging for clemency with his US birth cert to the Embassy ,so we are told ,remember Tom Clarke was a US citizen also but so how with out the same luck.
    He turned his back very quickly on the the republician movement fairly rapid interning them during the war.
    Prefentel treatment for RAF during WW2.
    Lets not even mention his dodgy Irish Press share scam in the US which netted millions in todays terms.
    You forgot to mention that DeValera executed some IRA during WW2 too. He got great popular support for that, there was no outcry. Plus some died on hunger strike, but few cared.


  • #89
    rafatoni
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 469 ✭✭rafatoni


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Nah, he hasn't. Well, imagine that: maryishere telling porkies once again...
    constantly telling mince pies on every thread. Irish water being the biggie.

    Super sad really. So bitter.


  • #90
    maryishere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    rafatoni wrote: »
    constantly telling mince pies on every thread.
    Thats you. I gave the source to back up my statement. ;)


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  • #91
    Jayop
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,377 ✭✭✭✭Jayop


    maryishere wrote: »
    Thats you. I gave the source to back up my statement. ;)

    Didn't back up what you actually said though did it?

    Cut and paste back a few days and spreading disinformation like Churchill spread mustard gas in India.

    Great bunch of lads though.


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