The 109a Bus Thread

Peppa Pig · 12-04-2017 10:14PM

paulboland wrote: »

It don't have a train service provided to the largest population of Co Meath which is Navan

I suppose that's the closest we'll get to you accepting that you were wrong.

markpb · 12-04-2017 10:15PM

paulboland wrote:

It don't have a train service provided to the largest population of Co Meath which is Navan

Why didn't you say that Navan doesn't have a rail service then?

n97 mini · 12-04-2017 10:26PM

Peppa Pig wrote: »

I suppose that's the closest we'll get to you accepting that you were wrong.

Amen!

paulboland · 12-04-2017 10:37PM

Peppa Pig wrote: »

I suppose that's the closest we'll get to you accepting that you were wrong.

Dunboyne although yes is in Co Meath is only 17.9 Km to Dublin that's only 11 miles it's basically just 4 miles to blanchardstown

Navan to Dublin is 53.3 km as in 32.93 miles
It's really of no use to Navan population the Dunboyne M3 train station
By the time you get there in a car or bus your only a short distance to Dublin anyway not much need to use it

What is needed is train service to M3 Parkway from a Navan train station

I would love you to see the response you get from navan public in person to your views on navan transport and what they want

A train service that's 36.8 km from Navan

n97 mini · 12-04-2017 10:49PM

Peppa Pig wrote: »

I suppose that's the closest we'll get to you accepting that you were wrong.

Looks like that's a no then.

paulboland · 12-04-2017 11:14PM

markpb wrote: »

Why didn't you say that Navan doesn't have a rail service then?

I have done in many posts in this thread and other threads

I'm not alone a lot of posts in various threads over the past few years by others about the broken promise of a Navan train service

Yes Co Meath has some train stations but are just outside Dublin at the start of Co Meath

The largest population of Co Meath navan has no train service in Navan

You have to go to towards Dublin by bus or car
It takes over an hour on a bus to get to M3 train station why bother your in Dublin in a few later min by staying on the bus lol

gazzer · 13-04-2017 10:42AM

I wonder will there be any chance of a private bus service from Cavan to Dublin starting anytime soon. Its been such a hassle the last few weeks trying to arrange lifts to and from Dublin. I dont work in Dublin every day so I can only imagine what it has been like for people who have to work in Dublin full time.

devnull · 13-04-2017 10:45AM

They cannot as the 109 is protected from competition as it's a PSO route.

n97 mini · 13-04-2017 11:20AM

The only way to compete with a PSO route is another PSO route!

I would think if the railway section from Navan to M3 Parkway ever opened that there would be a serious curtailment of the 109/109A routes. As the buses between 1am and 5am are probably the biggest loss makers they would be first to get the axe.

Would people be happy to axe the 24hr running and more of the 109A in exchange for a railway? The stations are likely to be at Navan, Dunshaughlin and Kilmessan.

gazzer · 13-04-2017 11:55AM

devnull wrote: »

They cannot as the 109 is protected from competition as it's a PSO route.

But surely if a private bus did a route from Cavan, Virginia and then direct to Dublin (via the M3) it would be allowed??? I seem to recall a private bus a while back that came from (I think) Donegal and then did Cavan, Viriginia and Dublin City Centre

devnull · 13-04-2017 12:04PM

gazzer wrote: »

But surely if a private bus did a route from Cavan, Virginia and then direct to Dublin (via the M3) it would be allowed??? I seem to recall a private bus a while back that came from (I think) Donegal and then did Cavan, Viriginia and Dublin City Centre

There's very little allowed that wouldn't be without stops that would be restricted to pick up or set down only so they don't interfere with the PSO service, it would have to be radically different from the PSO route

It would also be financially impossible to make it work when you would have a competitor who had unlimited free buses available to it, not need to pay commercial insurance and not have any service running costs as they would be paid for by the state.

paulboland · 13-04-2017 02:49PM

n97 mini wrote: »

The only way to compete with a PSO route is another PSO route!

I would think if the railway section from Navan to M3 Parkway ever opened that there would be a serious curtailment of the 109/109A routes. As the buses between 1am and 5am are probably the biggest loss makers they would be first to get the axe.

Would people be happy to axe the 24hr running and more of the 109A in exchange for a railway? The stations are likely to be at Navan, Dunshaughlin and Kilmessan.

Ashbourne was also mentioned to be as part of of the transport 21 plan to add a train station

Part 2 of the plan though got put on hold by the government due to the economic crash

The original plan was part 2 to be done by 2015
Co meath TD's in Navan have been lobbing the government and transport dept to get the part 2 plan back on track

Navan has the train tracks in use but it's only by freight trains all that is needed it's upgraded to use for public transport and extended to other train stations

n97 mini · 13-04-2017 04:37PM

It's about reopening the old line and Asbourne was not on it.
http://www.irishrail.ie/about-us/navan-railway-line

Re Meath Co Co, they have not helped by running a major sewer pipe along the old alignment, against regulations.

But tell me, you'd be happy for Navan to get a reduction in 109/109a services in exchange for a train service?

paulboland · 13-04-2017 04:38PM

n97 mini wrote: »

It's about reopening the old line and Asbourne was not on it.
http://www.irishrail.ie/about-us/navan-railway-line

Re Meath Co Co, they have not helped by running a major sewer pipe along the old alignment, against regulations.

But tell me, you'd be happy for Navan to get a reduction in 109/109a services in exchange for a train service?

Both services are needed it will take more cars of the road and be more public transport use

109A would continue unless they provided a train service from Kells to Navan to Rataoth/Ashbourne to DCU and Dublin Airport

Ashbourne was a town mentioned to be considered as part of a link station to the transport plan 2 but is not officially listed in the original part 2 plan

n97 mini · 13-04-2017 05:45PM

paulboland wrote: »

Both services are needed it will take more cars of the road and be more public transport use

109A would continue unless they provided a train service from Kells to Navan to Rataoth/Ashbourne to DCU and Dublin Airport

Ashbourne was a town mentioned to be considered as part of a link station to the transport plan 2 but is not officially listed in the original part 2 plan

So would you be happy for a reduction in 109/109a services in exchange for the rail line to be reopened to Navan? A lot of people would switch to rail so the existing level of bus service would not be required.

Ashbourne would get a feeder bus to Dunshaughlin at best.

paulboland · 13-04-2017 06:37PM

n97 mini wrote: »

So would you be happy for a reduction in 109/109a services in exchange for the rail line to be reopened to Navan? A lot of people would switch to rail so the existing level of bus service would not be required.

Ashbourne would get a feeder bus to Dunshaughlin at best.

Ashbourne would get a bus service from navan if 109a was replaced by train service it used to be serviced by the 107 bus but was not regular enough and is why 109A had Ashbourne added

There still woukd be a bus service provided from navan to Ashbourne if 109A services was cut
Its part of the PSO route

n97 mini · 13-04-2017 06:40PM

paulboland wrote: »

Ashbourne would get a bus service from navan if 109a was replaced by train service it used to be serviced by the 107 bus but was not regular enough and is why 109A had Ashbourne added

There still woukd be a bus service provided from navan to Ashbourne if 109A services was cut
Its part of the PSO route

I'm saying as part of any railway plan Ashbourne would not get a station but a feeder bus at best.

Third time: you'd be happy for a reduction in bus services if the rail link from M3 Parkway to Navan was completed?

paulboland · 13-04-2017 07:09PM

n97 mini wrote: »

I'm saying as part of any railway plan Ashbourne would not get a station but a feeder bus at best.

Third time: you'd be happy for a reduction in bus services if the rail link from M3 Parkway to Navan was completed?

There still woukd be a bus service from navan to Ashbourne to Dublin Airport unless train service ran 24 hours and included Navan to Ashbourne to Dublin Airport

Train service would not be 24 hours I doubt so a bus service would continue
It would still be from Navan to Ashbourne bus service not a feeder bus from outside navan

ThisRegard · 13-04-2017 07:18PM

paulboland wrote: »

Dunboyne although yes is in Co Meath is only 17.9 Km to Dublin that's only 11 miles it's basically just 4 miles to blanchardstown

Blanchardstown, spitting distance to the airport, to which there's no direct public transport options to. People in Meath can get to and from it easier.

paulboland · 13-04-2017 07:43PM

ThisRegard wrote: »

Blanchardstown, spitting distance to the airport, to which there's no direct public transport options to. People in Meath can get to and from it easier.

Blanchardstown population can use the 109 or other Dublin buses to get to Dublin and then to Dublin Airport

109A covers Kells/Navan/Dunshaughlin/Rathoth and Ashbourne population to get to Dublin Airport and Dcu

109 don't cover Rathoth/Ashbourne population

Blanchardstown is covered by lot of Dublin buses including 109

109 and 109A is not the same bus or bus route

ThisRegard · 13-04-2017 07:47PM

If I wanted to get to Dublin Airport now from Blanchardstown village how could I do so by public transport?

paulboland · 13-04-2017 07:57PM

ThisRegard wrote: »

If I wanted to get to Dublin Airport now from Blanchardstown village how could I do so by public transport?

A short bus ride to Dublin by Dublin Bus and Bus from Dublin to Dublin Airport

Population of navan alone is more than blanchardstown and that's not including the population of Kells Ashbourne Rathoth Dunshaughlin

Population of navan is over 31,000 and really is a lot more as lot not recorded on the census records

Getting a bus from blanchardstown to Dublin city centre is a short journey compared to population of Kells and Navan and Cavan

MJohnston · 13-04-2017 08:52PM

Blanchardstown actually has a population of about 73150 according to last years census. Navan was 31689.

markpb · 13-04-2017 09:01PM

paulboland wrote: »

A *short* bus ride to Dublin by Dublin Bus and Bus from Dublin to Dublin Airport

Short, hah! The NTA journey planner says that right now your short trip would take 1h10. Coincidentally that's the same amount of time a person from navan would take to make the same trip. It's great that navan has such a great service to and from Dublin but I presume you can see why people are confused that the government has decided to pay to provide an all-day service from a different county but only provide a limited service via an indirect route for people in the same county?

paulboland · 13-04-2017 09:20PM

markpb wrote: »

Short, hah! The NTA journey planner says that right now your short trip would take 1h10. Coincidentally that's the same amount of time a person from navan would take to make the same trip. It's great that navan has such a great service to and from Dublin but I presume you can see why people are confused that the government has decided to pay to provide an all-day service from a different county but only provide a limited service via an indirect route for people in the same county?

Blanchardstown to Dublin Airport takes by bus 54 direct mayaooth service or 57 min using 39 and 41 buses

Kells to Dublin Airport takes 1.41 min using 109a
It takes longer if using 109 as you need to get to Dublin first and then get 700 or 33 bus making it over 2 hours

Are you saying population of Cavan/Kells/Navan should not have a Bus service to Dublin Airport
Add up the population of Cavan/Kells/Navan/Dunshaughlin/Rathoth/Ashbourne
Cavan population have to use 109 to Navan and then get 109A or continue on 109 to Dublin to get 700 or 33

It's a lot easier time wise for population in blanchardstown to get to Dublin Airport than population in Cavan/Kells/Navan

Don't forget population in Ashbourne/Rathoth work in Navan and lot from Cavan/Kells/Navan students goto DCU

Before the 109A bus was provided I had to get 109 to Dublin then A Bus from Dublin to Airport it was around 2.5 hours or longer as you could miss the Dublin Bus to Airport
It once took me 3 hours

MJohnston · 13-04-2017 09:31PM

paulboland wrote: »

Blanchardstown to Dublin Airport takes by bus 54 direct mayaooth service or 57 min using 39 and 41 buses

It's unclear what Maynooth service you're referring to here, but using the 39 and the 41 will take 90 minutes minimum.

Kells to Dublin Airport takes 1.41 min using 109a
It takes longer if using 109 as you need to get to Dublin first and then get 700 or 33 bus making it over 2 hours

Correction: Kells to Dublin Airport is timetabled as 95 minutes at peak times, 80 minutes off peak.

Add up the population of Cavan/Kells/Navan/Dunshaughlin/Rathoth/Ashbourne

Okay, it's 73479. A reminder that the population of Blanchardstown alone is 73150.

devnull · 13-04-2017 09:31PM

paulboland wrote: »

Blanchardstown to Dublin Airport takes by bus 54 direct mayaooth service or 57 min using 39 and 41 buses

The very best you will do it in is 1hr 10 mins and that is outside peak in the middle of the week using a train and an Aircoach bus.

http://journeyplanner.transportforireland.ie/nta/XSLT_TRIP_REQUEST2?language=en&sessionID=0&imageFormat=PNG%7CPDF&imageOnly=1&imageWidth=330&imageWidth2=330&imageHeight=200&imageHeight2=200&imageHeightO=550&imageWidthO=630&ntaPublicMacro=true&name_origin=suburbID:57102040:10824024:Blanchardstown:707951:261368:ITMR&type_origin=any&name_destination=suburbID:57102040:10824041:Dublin%20Airport:716901:256619:ITMR&type_destination=any&itdTimeHour=10&itdTimeMinute=5&itdDateDayMonthYear=19.04.2017&itdTripDateTimeDepArr=dep&inclMOT_0=on&inclMOT_4=on&inclMOT_5=on&inclMOT_6=on&inclMOT_9=on&useProxFootSearch=on&trITMOTvalue100=20&changeSpeed=normal&routeType=LEASTTIME&includedMeans=checkbox

Kells to Dublin Airport takes 1.41 min using 109a

Blanchardstown to Dublin Airport = 16km
Kells to Dublin Airport = 70km

Therefore on timings, it takes over an hour to go 16km from Blanchardstown to Dublin Airport, but takes 1hr 40 minutes to go 70km from Kells and you are saying Kells service is too slow??????

Add up the population of Cavan/Kells/Navan/Dunshaughlin/Rathoth/Ashbourne
Cavan population have to use 109 to Navan and then get 109A or continue on 109 to Dublin to get 700 or 33

Add up the whole of Dublin 15 and see what you have.

33 Doesn't even serve Dublin Airport.

hots · 13-04-2017 09:44PM

Why on earth did they extend the 109A out to 24hr?? Madness and I relied on it for 5 years... As is so often the case there is an obvious problem and a mad solution is put in place.

Extending the rail to Navan would be ideal, you could have some sort of local service going off the end of that then to serve the towns I would have thought?

109A has been a great service but for most of my time on it I never saw a bus more than 25% full... to add more services onto it makes no sense at all.

paulboland · 13-04-2017 09:44PM

devnull wrote: »

The very best you will do it in is 1hr 10 mins and that is outside peak in the middle of the week using a train and an Aircoach bus.

http://journeyplanner.transportforireland.ie/nta/XSLT_TRIP_REQUEST2?language=en&sessionID=0&imageFormat=PNG%7CPDF&imageOnly=1&imageWidth=330&imageWidth2=330&imageHeight=200&imageHeight2=200&imageHeightO=550&imageWidthO=630&ntaPublicMacro=true&name_origin=suburbID:57102040:10824024:Blanchardstown:707951:261368:ITMR&type_origin=any&name_destination=suburbID:57102040:10824041:Dublin%20Airport:716901:256619:ITMR&type_destination=any&itdTimeHour=10&itdTimeMinute=5&itdDateDayMonthYear=19.04.2017&itdTripDateTimeDepArr=dep&inclMOT_0=on&inclMOT_4=on&inclMOT_5=on&inclMOT_6=on&inclMOT_9=on&useProxFootSearch=on&trITMOTvalue100=20&changeSpeed=normal&routeType=LEASTTIME&includedMeans=checkbox

Blanchardstown to Dublin Airport = 16km
Kells to Dublin Airport = 70km

Therefore on timings, it takes over an hour to go 16km from Blanchardstown to Dublin Airport, but takes 1hr 40 minutes to go 70km from Kells and you are saying Kells service is too slow??????

Add up the whole of Dublin 15 and see what you have.

33 Doesn't even serve Dublin Airport.

It does sometimes as I used to work in swords
Not every time I admit but some buses in the morning went into Dublin Airport it used to anoy me as it made my journey longer to work but was only a few times not every time

Cavan/Kells/Navan population what do you think they woukd say if they was deprived of a direct bus service to Airport

I use it for Ashbourne as there is no other bus service from navan to Ashbourne beside the 109A
Lot of workers from navan start work from 7.00 in the morning or from 19.00 at night
If 109A was not operating you could not get to work for 7.00 or before without the 109A
You be late for work if you had to get to Dublin first and then to Ashbourne

MJohnston · 13-04-2017 09:46PM

paulboland wrote: »

Cavan/Kells/Navan population what do you think they woukd say if they was deprived of a direct bus service to Airport

Literally nobody has suggested this should happen.

The 109a Bus Thread

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