The 109a Bus Thread

mugsymugsy

paulboland wrote: »

Where in West Dublin to you live

I don't but hypothetically say Lucan or blanchardstown.

The point is it's crazy in my opinion to have 24/7 bus from Dublin airport linking towns across county Meath when people in large west Dublin towns have nothing like the same service at 3 o'clock in the morning.

Totally understand an hourly service during the day and between say 6 and midnight. Beyond that though i think is too much.

ThisRegard

paulboland wrote: »

A short bus ride to Dublin by Dublin Bus and Bus from Dublin to Dublin Airport

Population of navan alone is more than blanchardstown and that's not including the population of Kells Ashbourne Rathoth Dunshaughlin

Population of navan is over 31,000 and really is a lot more as lot not recorded on the census records

Getting a bus from blanchardstown to Dublin city centre is a short journey compared to population of Kells and Navan and Cavan

But that's the point, there's a large population in the Dublin 15 area that's within spitting distance of the airport with no direct public transport options, you have to literally take a bus or train away from the airport before doubling back.

But people further afield outside of Dublin have direct links, but you still think everyone living in Dublin has everything handed to them public transport wise.

thomasj

paulboland wrote:

Population of navan alone is more than blanchardstown and that's not including the population of Kells Ashbourne Rathoth Dunshaughlin

Population of navan is over 31,000 and really is a lot more as lot not recorded on the census records

Not by a longshot!

http://www.independent.ie/regionals/fingalindependent/news/population-statistics-27811360.html

Blanchardstown grew by 10% to 100,894 people. It's the biggest single suburb in the greater Dublin area and is larger than most other cities and towns in the State. -

paulboland

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Correction: Kells to Dublin Airport is timetabled as 95 minutes at peak times, 80 minutes off peak.
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Don't go by a timetable listed on Bus Eireann or any Transport planner
They are not very accurate at times real time is a lot different to actual times
They worked out these journey times on a run with no traffic delays as in very quite periods


Navan to Ashbourne is supposed to take 35 min by the timetable that at most times way inaccurate to the real time it takes

I get this bus Mon to Fri in the evening and back in the morning
I work night shifts in ashbourne

18.05 bus for example most times don't arrive in ashbourne until 18.50 and can be 18.55 or 19.00 at times
That's a journey time of 44 min to 55 min not 35 min
The morning journey back to navan from ashbourne can be a lot more

The real-time bus eireann tracking is never correct it's useless as it can tell you your bus has arrived but no bus has arrived it's still to arrive

Commuters not aware of this if they was to rely on the real-time info posted they would be told incorrect information

In the morning I'm supposed to get the 07.05 bus it often it will at best arrive at 07.15 but often don't arrive until 07.30 to 07.45

It's supposed to take 35 min to get from ashbourne to navan by the timetable

The 07.05 bus that I get in the morning as per timetable to navan from ashbourne arrives most times not until 8.00 or later I can often not arrive until 08.15
That's over 1 hour

That's just Navan to Ashbourne
The Journey from Kells to Dublin Airport or return Journey can be 2 hours at times compared to the timetable of 1 hour 15 min

Timetables are not accurate to actual times the difference can be a lot

paulboland

thomasj wrote: »

Not by a longshot!

http://www.independent.ie/regionals/fingalindependent/news/population-statistics-27811360.html

The 109A is for population of Kells/Navan/Dunshaughlin/Ratoath/Ashbourne
You also have Cavan population getting to either Kells or Navan to use the 109A and also the other towns in that region who goto to Kells or Navan to get the 109A


It's up to Dublin Bus and NTA to provide bus travel after midnight
There is plans of extending luas and train service to the Dublin Airport you will eventually have extended travel direct to dublin airport

Kells and Navan have no train service at all
109 last bus is 2300
If you in dublin you need the 109A to get back to Navan or Kells after 23.30
Public from Kells and Navan goto Dublin for Work reasons and Social reasons and Airport Reasons

If you needed to get a Taxi from Dublin City Centre to Navan after midnight
It would cost you 93.00 to 116.80
If you needed to get a taxi from Dublin Airport to Navan after midnight it would cost you 102.60 to 122.00

A Taxi from Dublin City to Lucan after midnight would cost you 23.60 to 35.60
From Dublin Airport to Lucan after midnight 37.00 to 47.00

The Cost of a passenger to get from Dublin City Center to Kells after midnight would be 112.80 to 139.20 and from the Airport it would cost 122.40 to 144.40


Without the 109A bus the cost to get from Dublin or Dublin Airport to Navan or Kells by taxi is huge amount compared to what it costs to get to Dublin be it east or west dublin

47 Euro for Dublin West by Taxi compared to 122 to 140 Euro for Navan and Kells population to get from Dublin Airport

This alone is a reason for the 109A operating after midnight as without it the cost to the public is crazy amount

Yes West/East/South Dublin needs more night services after midnight by Bus that I agree with this but they don't have the huge cost of transport that Population in Kells and Navan have to pay in comparison if they did not have the 109A service


To give you another example it cost me 80 euro a day using a taxi during the bus strike due to no 109A bus and is my only bus transport option from Navan to Ashbourne it's not covered by private transport operator

thomasj

paulboland wrote:

The 109A is for population of Kells/Navan/Dunshaughlin/Ratoath/Ashbourne You also have Cavan population getting to either Kells or Navan to use the 109A and also the other towns in that region who goto to Kells or Navan to get the 109A

Combined (except Cavan) is still not even close to Blanchardstown population and Cavan itself is smaller than blanch.

All that is beside the point!

I'm not saying ye shouldnt have a 24 hour service to the airport and Dublin city. Far from it. We are living in a 24-hour city with a 24 airport and this route accounts for it.

The point that I'm making is, if the NTA doesn't think there's demand from one of the largest populated areas in the country to the airport/city after hours , how can it justify a service to a 30,000 population town and other smaller areas?

I don't think navan shouldn't have a service to the airport after hours ? I'm just saying Blanchardstown and Lucan for example should !

paulboland

thomasj wrote: »

Combined (except Cavan) is still not even close to Blanchardstown population and Cavan itself is smaller than blanch.

All that is beside the point!

I'm not saying ye shouldnt have a 24 hour service to the airport and Dublin city. Far from it. We are living in a 24-hour city with a 24 airport and this route accounts for it.

The point that I'm making is, if the NTA doesn't think there's demand from one of the largest populated areas in the country to the airport/city after hours , how can it justify a service to a 30,000 population town and other smaller areas?

I don't think navan shouldn't have a service to the airport after hours ? I'm just saying Blanchardstown and Lucan for example should !

Yes I agree you should have improved bus service after midnight

There is plans for improved service from Dublin West and East to Dublin Airport and will be to cover after midnight when that will be completed is unknown

It's up to the government and NTA to get this plan completed for dublin suburbs

109A is essential as without the bus service the cost to the population affected is huge amount

Private Bus operators most in Dublin would not provide a commercial service to all of dublin suburbs some areas they do provide a service as in aircoach but they wont do all areas of dublin as they would not make a profit so it would need to be public transport funded by the government


Hopefully you do get a service at some stage

bk

paulboland wrote: »

Private Bus operators most in Dublin would not provide a commercial service to all of dublin suburbs some areas they do provide a service as in aircoach but they wont do all areas of dublin as they would not make a profit so it would need to be public transport funded by the government

Part of the reason why Private operators don't provide an overnight service to all parts of Dublin, is because in the day time, Dublin Bus has a monopoly on those routes. A monopoly that includes a direct subsidy and having their buses bought for them. It wouldn't pay for a private operator to operate just a overnight service, if they couldn't also operate a day time service.

Dublin Bus should really be operating a 24/7 service as is the norm in most European capital cities.

useded

Any idea if I can use my 10 journey for the 109 on the 109a?