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Hyundai Ioniq 28kWh

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  • #2072
    listermint
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,412 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    bk wrote: »
    That is the problem isn't it, like many Irish people you want a 3 bedroom house, even within a city! That is the choice I'm on about.

    Irish people have a massive mental block about living in apartments.

    I made a different choice. I got a nice 2 bed apartment, just 30 minutes walk from my work and Dublin City Center and I love it.

    Sure for the same money I could have gotten a 3 to 4 bedroom house way outside of the city, would have needed to buy a car and would have ended up spending all my time commuting.

    Instead I save a large amount of money by not owning a car, have a very pleasant 30 minute walk home from work and get lots of extra time to spend with my family, while you guys commute long distances to your big houses!

    With the money I save on not driving, I get to spend it on socialising and travel, 3 to 4 nights a week out in Dublin/Cork and with all the different places and events of Dublin right on my doorstep.

    My colleagues who earn the same, but instead decided to buy the big house all look like zombies every day from all the commuting they do and they are always amazed by all the travel and socialising that I do and can't understand how I can afford it.

    And yes before anyone says it, yes I have a kid. Still plenty of space in a two bedroom apartment for one to two kids. My apartment has lots of green space all around it for the kids to play in. Well over half the apartments in my building have kids and they all play together during the warmer days outside with one or two of the parents watching over them. There is a really good community spirit here.

    So yes, it is a choice. We Irish continually make a dumb choice to want to live in 3 bed semi's even in a big city. This is why we have a housing crisis and why people are commuting insane distances.

    What we should be doing is building high quality apartments, designed for families in mind, with green areas and play grounds below and close to public transport. A more European type mindset rather then the frankly insane US car culture mindset.

    But don't kid yourself, it is definitely a choice.

    You have 'some' good points but it falls flat when you call other people stupid. You havent lived in Dublin city your entire life. It is quite plausible many folks simply dont want to live on top of someone else. looking out their 'cool' apartment window into someone elses across the road or generally just living it the city as it is.

    (ive lived in Dublin since birth)

    You might find the though of going home in the evening to forest walks outside your door and having wide open space for the Kids and your dog. Perhaps a 5 minute drive to a sandy beach. And not peering into your neighbours windows everytime you open the blinds somewhat not you your taste.

    But dont refer to peoples choices as dumb, it literally makes a mockery of your points, some of which can make sense for some folks.


    'Choice!'



    The Hyundai Ioniq and its likes makes these choices far cheaper for people to make and thats the beauty of electric vehicles.


  • #2073
    unkel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,720 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Indeed. But in fairness, bk's point was from his previous post that you have a choice where you live or what your commute is.

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  • #2074
    punisher5112
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,619 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    I have no choice as I can't afford to live in Dublin where I work and can see us having to move even further as rent increases and because we are not in rent pressure zone means they can just keep increasing.

    I was in Dublin and close to bray but now further out and if it goes up again we will be forced further again.

    Hours I work also force me to have to have own transport. I wouldn't do without a car either way anyway as I love anything that moves petrol or EV.


  • #2075
    isnottheword
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,087 ✭✭✭isnottheword


    unkel wrote: »
    Indeed. But in fairness, bk's point was from his previous post that you have a choice where you live or what your commute is.
    In principal, he's quite right. However, you can't legislate for circumstances dictating where you will live. I've twice been thwarted in living close to where I work. In each case, it can be done - but with a hell of a lot of difficulty - with the likelihood of losing substantial amounts of cash in both the buying and selling.
    I won't bother fleshing out the point as we are heading well off topic but lets just say that the actions of .gov have a lot to answer for - as they have done more to create this scenario than to prevent it or alleviate it.


  • #2076
    listermint
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,412 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    unkel wrote: »
    Indeed. But in fairness, bk's point was from his previous post that you have a choice where you live or what your commute is.

    I only raise it as he has used that 'dim' comment before because his choices are superior to everyone else's i.e we should all be living in the city.

    Sorry, ive done it all my life.

    No thanks.

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  • #2077
    unkel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,720 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    listermint wrote: »
    because his choices are superior to everyone else's

    Almost all of the regular posters in this forum have some strong opinions, you me and bk included. Sometimes these are in line, sometimes they are polar opposites. That's what makes the forum fun, no? :D

    I'm in one of those "sheep" cheap semi-d houses in a suburb far removed from Dublin city centre. I'd hate to live in the city centre at this stage of my life :)

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  • #2078
    Mope
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 452 ✭✭Mope


    Guys, help me here.
    I'm in Square shopping center, 4 charging points here. They are 22kw, but my car is saying it will take 3hrs to fill up.
    I have set everything to take maximum load when charging. Am I misunderstanding something? Should it not be like 20 min if not less? I'm at 45percent before charging, so not even empty


  • #2079
    punisher5112
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,619 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    Mope wrote: »
    Guys, help me here.
    I'm in Square shopping center, 4 charging points here. They are 22kw, but my car is saying it will take 3hrs to fill up.
    I have set everything to take maximum load when charging. Am I misunderstanding something? Should it not be like 20 min if not less? I'm at 45percent before charging, so not even empty



    Is it possible the fast charge isn't enabled or its a slow charge point.


  • #2080
    unkel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,720 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Yes you are charging on the slow AC charger. How much charge have you left? Could you make it to the fast DC charger in Lucan (about 10km)?

    Edit - I see you have 45% left. It will take about 2 hours on the slow charger and about 20 minutes on the fast charger in Lucan...

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  • #2081
    DrPhilG
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,956 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    Surely the 3hr estimate is from a standard charger?


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  • #2082
    Evd-Burner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,460 ✭✭✭Evd-Burner


    Mope wrote: »
    Guys, help me here.
    I'm in Square shopping center, 4 charging points here. They are 22kw, but my car is saying it will take 3hrs to fill up.
    I have set everything to take maximum load when charging. Am I misunderstanding something? Should it not be like 20 min if not less? I'm at 45percent before charging, so not even empty

    Is it 22kW AC? If so then it is not a fast charger. You need to be connected to a fast charger to charge in 20 minutes.


  • #2083
    KCross
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,336 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    Mope wrote: »
    Guys, help me here.
    I'm in Square shopping center, 4 charging points here. They are 22kw, but my car is saying it will take 3hrs to fill up.
    I have set everything to take maximum load when charging. Am I misunderstanding something? Should it not be like 20 min if not less? I'm at 45percent before charging, so not even empty

    Your confusion is that they are 22kW chargers but its an SCP not an FCP so you are not taking 22kW from it. You are only getting what the car is capable of which is 7kW and probably somewhere around 6.5kW to the actual battery itself.

    If you were at an FCP you would get the full rated amount into the car.


    So, the 3hrs is about right for an SCP from 45-100% in an Ioniq.


  • #2084
    Calahonda52
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,400 ✭✭✭✭Calahonda52


    KCross wrote: »
    So, the 3hrs is about right for an SCP from 45-100% in an Ioniq.

    yep because 28kWh by 55% = 15.4kWh and it wont suck 6.5kW per hour flat for the three hours, it will drop off a bit as the battery reaches full.
    More time to shop and spend all that mula you are saving on fossil fuels:D

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  • #2085
    MM3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 107 ✭✭MM3


    Anyone tried the Ioniq with 3 kids in the back? Only one still in a car seat and ideally I'd like to place them in the middle. We've a 7 seater at the moment but I'd like to downsize next year to a 5 seater.

    Thanks

    M


  • #2086
    Calahonda52
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,400 ✭✭✭✭Calahonda52


    unkel wrote: »
    Indeed. But in fairness, bk's point was from his previous post that you have a choice where you live or what your commute is.

    Must be a Mod thing.... this idea that you do have a choice idea.

    You only have a choice if you have financial and other resources to make such choices:

    I meet a cleaning lady every morning in the gym at 06:30 who has the cleaning gig as one of 3 part time jobs: she walks to this job: you think this is her choice, its not, its all she can get to try make ends meet.

    As for the original piece, I have selected a few lines.
    bk wrote: »
    1: We Irish continually make a dumb choice to want to live in 3 bed semi's even in a big city.
    2:This is why we have a housing crisis and why people are commuting insane distances.

    3: But don't kid yourself, it is definitely a choice.

    What a [snip] set of statements.

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  • #2087
    stesaurus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,044 ✭✭✭stesaurus


    Mope wrote: »
    Guys, help me here.
    I'm in Square shopping center, 4 charging points here. They are 22kw, but my car is saying it will take 3hrs to fill up.
    I have set everything to take maximum load when charging. Am I misunderstanding something? Should it not be like 20 min if not less? I'm at 45percent before charging, so not even empty

    I saw you mentioning fast charge at square earlier in thread and just assumed you'd used the wrong name.
    There's no FCP in Tallaght. Nearest is Stillorgan P&R or Lucan but traffic would be crap from Tallaght at lunchtime.


  • #2088
    bk
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,739 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    listermint wrote: »
    You have 'some' good points but it falls flat when you call other people stupid. You havent lived in Dublin city your entire life. It is quite plausible many folks simply dont want to live on top of someone else. looking out their 'cool' apartment window into someone elses across the road or generally just living it the city as it is.

    Hmm, I've been living in Dublin City for 15 years now and was born and raised in Cork city. So yup, I'm a total newbie :rolleyes:

    I didn't call anyone stupid or dim, please don't put words in my mouth!

    I did say that some people, perhaps many people make the choice to live in a 3 bedroom house way outside the city, without really thinking about if they actually need a 3 bed house or if a 2 bed apartment with a much shorter commute could better fit their needs.

    I do think that is dumb as I said, but it doesn't make those people dumb!

    In Ireland we seem to have a blinkered opinion that you most have a 3 to 4 bed semi and that apartments are only for students.

    While I think this idea is dumb and the way that our government has allowed it to continue with planning decisions is dumb, I don't think people with this opinion are dumb. They just have never really thought about it and never really thought about the alternatives or even experienced them. Their parents grew up in a 3 bed semi, so they think it is the only option.

    Just like people the majority of people who buy Diesels rather then looking into EV's etc. The decision might be dumb, but that doesn't make them dumb, they might just be misinformed or don't know about the alternatives and instead just go with what they have always known.
    listermint wrote: »
    You might find the though of going home in the evening to forest walks outside your door and having wide open space for the Kids and your dog. Perhaps a 5 minute drive to a sandy beach. And not peering into your neighbours windows everytime you open the blinds somewhat not you your taste.

    The great thing about Dublin City is that you have all that on your doorstep too! Much of the city is just a few minutes ride from a nice sandy beach, I am. 30 minutes you are in Dublin mountains, 60 minutes Wicklow.

    Want to stay closer to home, the largest walled city park and an amazing place is right their in Phoenix Park and many other great parks around the city for you to enjoy.

    I'm a very enthusiastic hiker, you will find me out hiking most weekends and walking most evenings. The difference is I'll have an extra hour or so doing that with my kids in the evening due to being so close to work.

    Also I'll point out that just because you live outside of the city, doesn't mean there is anything of interest around. Much of West Dublin is covered in nothing but pretty boring, featureless, housing estates, with little difference between them. You have to drive some distance to get to see or doing anything of interest.

    Again, I'm not calling anyone dumb. I'm calling government policy dumb.

    With the population of Dublin increasing quickly, we had two choices either grow up or grow out. It seems we have collectively chosen to grow out and I'm not sure at all if it the right choice or the healthy choice for our environment, our mental and social well being.


  • #2089
    grogi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,618 ✭✭✭grogi


    bk wrote: »
    With the population of Dublin increasing quickly, we had two choices either grow up or grow out. It seems we have collectively chosen to grow out and I'm not sure at all if it the right choice or the healthy choice for our environment, our mental and social well being.

    The city NEEDS to grow up. I really don't know why they don't in Ireland...

    Myself never wanted a house... Lived all my life in apartament - from 3 floor to 15 floor buildings... But lack of sensible apartament options in Cork left us no choice really.


  • #2090
    Mope
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 452 ✭✭Mope


    Thanks for such fast help with answers. Great community.
    I was mislead by those 22kW, i thought since it's more than my regural charger of 6.6, it is automatically a fast charger.

    So all 22kW AC CCS are not Fast Chargers or it depends?


  • #2091
    cros13
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,285 ✭✭✭cros13


    OK, lads... I've had enough.

    Take the urban planning discussion to http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=887, get back on topic.... or I'll put you in the cornfield :P

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  • #2092
    cros13
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,285 ✭✭✭cros13


    Mope wrote: »
    Thanks for such fast help with answers. Great community.
    I was mislead by those 22kW, i thought since it's more than my regural charger of 6.6, it is automatically a fast charger.

    So all 22kW AC CCS are not Fast Chargers or it depends?

    22kW AC are not CCS, they are Type 2. It is possible to have 22kW CCS... but none are installed in Ireland. Type 2 becomes Type 2 CCS with the addition of the two big DC pins on the bottom.
    Type 2:
    MENNEKES-Stecker-Typ2_334.jpg

    Type 2 CCS:
    220px-CCSCombo2.svg.png

    AC means you are relying on the car's on-board charger(s) to convert to DC and charge the battery. Your Ioniq only has a single phase 32A onboard charger which means you can only draw 7.4kW from one of the three AC phases the chargepoint has available. That chargepoint is nothing but a fancy socket with access control.

    A DC rapid charger takes control of the battery from your car and bypasses the onboard charger(s). It's a much larger and more complex device because it needs to convert from AC to DC itself.

    0116_CTE_Avago_F2.gif


  • #2093
    KCross
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,336 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    Mope wrote: »
    Thanks for such fast help with answers. Great community.
    I was mislead by those 22kW, i thought since it's more than my regural charger of 6.6, it is automatically a fast charger.

    So all 22kW AC CCS are not Fast Chargers or it depends?

    Have you looked at the eCars map?
    CCS is rapid
    AC is slow

    Anything that is a green icon is "slow" anything that is a blue icon is rapid.

    You need to filter on CCS to see the rapids since its an Ioniq you have
    https://esb.ie/our-businesses/ecars/charge-point-map


  • #2094
    Mope
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 452 ✭✭Mope


    cros13's post has to be a sticky! Definitely! Thank you

    KCross, yes, used the app, filtered out CSS and did not see that Type 2 was selected as well by Default.

    Remember, it is my First charge since owning the car :-) Noobish mistakes.


  • #2095
    stesaurus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,044 ✭✭✭stesaurus


    Lots to learn in a short space. We really need some very simple stickies that have the basic info easily at hand and can then dive into further details from that


  • #2096
    Mope
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 452 ✭✭Mope


    At FSC now, GreatGas Donabate. Says 29mins to full. Was at 39prcnt I think. Don't think I am going to stay whole time. Meeting one of board directors tomorrow to discuss charging at work.

    I guess it's good time to check in on PlugShare


  • #2097
    unkel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,720 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    MM3 wrote: »
    Anyone tried the Ioniq with 3 kids in the back? Only one still in a car seat and ideally I'd like to place them in the middle.

    I've 3 kids, in 4 years they'll all be teenagers, now the smallest one is on booster cushion. I can sit comfortably behind myself (I'm 1.87) with ok legroom and headroom and the car is fairly wide. A lot wider than a Nissan Leaf, so the 3 kids are comfortable that way

    A child seat in the middle is never ideal and if your child still has the full size seat, I would probably prefer it on either side, but not in the middle. We've had the booster cushion in the middle and it's fine, but again, better on the side

    But try for yourself, before you buy. Get a 24h test drive and get the whole family in!

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  • #2098
    unkel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,720 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    @any of the Ioniq owners in here - FCP do not show up in my Nav, even though I have selected all charge types. Any other charge points do show up and they were updated via wifi (phone as wifi access point). But these are useless to me most of the time, I want the FCP showing!

    Anyone else have this? Or to put it differently, anyone else got the FCP loaded?

    And we might as well get a little register going of owners in here. I'll start it off, other owners please fill in your details:

    1. Mope - Ioniq BEV - Platinum Silver - 171D
    2. unkel - Ioniq BEV - Platinum Silver - 171D
    3. liamog - Ioniq BEV - Polar White -
    4. Fiery mutant - Ioniq BEV -
    5.

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  • #2099
    Mope
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 452 ✭✭Mope


    I haven't tried giving the car WiFi yet, but will after reading your comments. I actually didn't check what type of chargers mine is showing, but i did go to a menu where you can specify what type of chargers consider as charging point.

    Attached my car getting some tasty juice :)


  • #2100
    MM3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 107 ✭✭MM3


    unkel wrote: »
    I've 3 kids, in 4 years they'll all be teenagers, now the smallest one is on booster cushion. I can sit comfortably behind myself (I'm 1.87) with ok legroom and headroom and the car is fairly wide. A lot wider than a Nissan Leaf, so the 3 kids are comfortable that way

    A child seat in the middle is never ideal and if your child still has the full size seat, I would probably prefer it on either side, but not in the middle. We've had the booster cushion in the middle and it's fine, but again, better on the side

    But try for yourself, before you buy. Get a 24h test drive and get the whole family in!

    Thanks for the feedback - youngest sits in the middle seat at the moment which is fine as it's got isofix , I suspect he'll be in a booster by the time we change car next year.

    I actually got to sit in one late this afternoon and I was impressed with the interior space , I'm 1.9m and could sit behind myself (just!). We'd regularly do a 250km trip west so hopefully Hyundai release a longer range version next year which would make it an easier sale to my partner as she doesn't fancy having to stop to charge.

    M


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  • #2101
    Mope
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 452 ✭✭Mope


    Just to calm my head down... few things and questions were going through my head when I was doing those 2 different charging today.

    Is there a Best practice or a MUST do way/sequence in which cables have to be connected to not cause any issues with equipment, battery or car? When at SCP, you take out your cable, plug it to CP, then to car or car then CP?
    When at FCP, do you plug the car in and then go Swipe or you Swipe and then plug in?

    What about car, while charging can you safely use all the stuff in car? NAV, settings, radio, media? What if you by accident "Start" the engine?

    Before charging in any of Station - you MUST switch off car, correct?

    Stupid questions possibly, but when I was doing it for the first time I felt insecure beside this buzzing charging station :D

    BTW: while charging "EV" hard button to the right of panel does not work for me, the only way to go to "EV" is via Touchscreen. Is it the same in your car lads?


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