Explosion at Dortmund hotel when team bus was leaving

mikeym · 11-04-2017 09:09PM

murpho999 wrote: »

Bloody hell, are you that desparate to score points that you bring that here.

Plenty of people who support Liverpool remember Heysel.
Perhaps you should read this.

Some people have selective memories thats why.

CoolHandBandit · 11-04-2017 09:11PM

Why the hell are people bringing Liverpool into this?

mikeym · 11-04-2017 09:13PM

CoolHandBandit wrote: »

Why the hell are people bringing Liverpool into this?

Jealous people.

Atoms for Peace · 11-04-2017 09:14PM

Peace crackers

Armchair Andy · 11-04-2017 09:14PM

CoolHandBandit wrote:

Why the hell are people bringing Liverpool into this?

It's a CL night, they've SFA else to do.

KERSPLAT! · 11-04-2017 09:16PM

Since the focus has moved to Liverpool etc best to take this to the Soccer forum

http://touch.boards.ie/thread/post/103191541

please read the charter before posting.

KERSPLAT! · 11-04-2017 09:28PM

Mod

And.... everyone doesn't have access to soccer so I'll open this back up, with the following in mind:

Please keep discussion to the topic, what Liverpool are at or the IRA for that matter, isn't on topic.

Keep it civil and on topic or we'll need to resort to thread bans. I'd also ask people to use sources... lots of "facts" and "I know because I know" so far.

Thanks

Barry Badrinath · 11-04-2017 09:30PM

Winterlong wrote: »

But there are no scorch marks or shrapnel? Look at the aftermath of a bomb, even a small grenade, there is always scorch marks and shrapnel.
What kind of a bomb would break glass from 2 metres but not leave any other damage?
And if the glass was bullet proof then it would need a medium guage bomb to shatter that. Not to mention the point that bullet proof glass does not shatter. And the glass on the bus did.

Whats a "medium gauge bomb"?

From the photos, it looks like it was only blast damage that put the windows in.

Bombs, IED's etc have different characteristics depending on composition, target and intent.

Shrapnel and scorch marks are not always present after an explosion, especially if shrapnel components were not part of the device.

Depending on the placement of the device, you may get a certain amount of debris that is projected as a result of the blast wave.

It was most likely an IED which uses a low explosive or a concussion explosion.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i · 11-04-2017 09:35PM

Donal55 wrote: »

Well this is UEFA.
Anyone else remember Heysel when 30 plus Italians died.
An hour or so later the match was played.

Juve won 1-0 by the way.

Were there explosions at Heysel? Was Europe on high alert due to multiple terrorist attacks? While the two are related through football, they are quite different, and in both circumstances, calling off the match would have been a good call.

If tonights match went ahead and there was subsequent explosions causing death or serious injuries, people would be up in arms over the decision to go ahead with the match.

Depp · 11-04-2017 09:38PM

https://twitter.com/ReutersSports/status/851889325440675844

authorities definitely taking it seriously anyway despite the countless stray firework theories

Luggnuts · 11-04-2017 09:43PM

Senor Fancy Pants wrote: »

Whats a "medium gauge bomb"?

From the photos, it looks like it was only blast damage that put the windows in.

Bombs, IED's etc have different characteristics depending on composition, target and intent.

Shrapnel and scorch marks are not always present after an explosion, especially if shrapnel components were not part of the device.

Depending on the placement of the device, you may get a certain amount of debris that is projected as a result of the blast wave.

It was most likely an IED which uses a low explosive or a concussion explosion.

SFB, all explosives produce pressure and heat. It's a simple fact. It doesn't have to be incendiary but they all produce heat. Clapping your hands produces heat. A stick of dynamite will detonate without combustion but it will produce heat.

Irishmale0399 · 11-04-2017 09:47PM

Luggnuts wrote: »

SFB, all explosives produce pressure and heat. It's a simple fact. It doesn't have to be incendiary but they all produce heat. Clapping your hands produces heat. A stick of dynamite will detonate without combustion but it will produce heat.

Surely these heat marks everyone is looking for would be around the area of the explosion. Until now we havent seen the area around the explosion...just the bus. Could be that the grass etc. is scorched. I assume the cops are saying it was explosives for a reason and are saying it wasnt fireworks.

http://www.waz.de/sport/fussball/bvb/explosion-am-bvb-bus-bvb-spiel-faellt-aus-id210234711.html

Police speaker in the video clearly says it.

Rightwing · 11-04-2017 09:47PM

This match should not have been cancelled. Absolute joke. Fans from Monaco (not many I admit) wasted trip over a minor incident.

Depp · 11-04-2017 09:50PM

Rightwing wrote: »

This match should not have been cancelled. Absolute joke. Fans from Monaco (not many I admit) wasted trip over a minor incident.

So bombs damaging dortmund bus, injured player (albeit minor injury) and unexploded devices found isnt enough reason to postpone a game

CoolHandBandit · 11-04-2017 09:52PM

Suppose it's just a guessing game at the moment tbh but let's hope it's just some idiot ultras with some very powerful fireworks and too much time on their hands.

Irishmale0399 · 11-04-2017 09:52PM

Rightwing wrote: »

This match should not have been cancelled. Absolute joke. Fans from Monaco (not many I admit) wasted trip over a minor incident.

Game will be played tomorrow evening.
1. How can you play a game when only one team is in the stadium??

2. Would you be willing to play if you were on the bus an hour before???

3. If a work mate was taken off the bus to hospital..would you want to play football.

Would you be in any fit mental condition to play???

As for Monaco fans......BVB fans are offering beds to french fans, hotels are offering free rooms and BVB have organised a hotel for the official traveling fan group of approx. 85 members. Watzke said it on WDR about 10 minutes ago..

Rightwing · 11-04-2017 09:52PM

Depp wrote: »

So bombs damaging dortmund bus, injured player (albeit minor injury) and unexploded devices found isnt enough reason to postpone a game

A scratch or 2 ffs.

Punters who travelled should sue uefa, get their cash back.

Irishmale0399 · 11-04-2017 09:53PM

Rightwing wrote: »

A scratch or 2 ffs.

Punters who travelled should sue uefa, get their cash back.

Crawl back under your rock and drink a big bottle of cop on.

CoolHandBandit · 11-04-2017 09:55PM

Rightwing wrote: »

This match should not have been cancelled. Absolute joke. Fans from Monaco (not many I admit) wasted trip over a minor incident.

It's just a game of football some things are more important like personal safety i'd imagine. Save they hadn't called the game off and a bomb had gone off in the stadium or when fans are leaving you'd more than likely be on here saying it was an "absolute joke" playing the game.

Luggnuts · 11-04-2017 09:55PM

Ariella Cuddly Plant wrote: »

Were there explosions at Heysel? Was Europe on high alert due to multiple terrorist attacks? While the two are related through football, they are quite different, and in both circumstances, calling off the match would have been a good call.

If tonights match went ahead and there was subsequent explosions causing death or serious injuries, people would be up in arms over the decision to go ahead with the match.

But what if there were no incidents and the match went ahead as scheduled and there was then an incident? This whole mentality of "what if" has to be jettisoned.

As long as safety procedures are in place and the security experts (who don't have crystal balls) determine that a good game of football should go ahead as it does on a weekly basis then why cancel on a routine basis out of pure paralysing fear and speculation?

Barry Badrinath · 11-04-2017 09:56PM

Luggnuts wrote: »

SFB, all explosives produce pressure and heat. It's a simple fact. It doesn't have to be incendiary but they all produce heat. Clapping your hands produces heat. A stick of dynamite will detonate without combustion but it will produce heat.

I'm aware of that.

In this instance and for the benefit of the person I quoted.

I was trying to simply explain why there may be significant blast damage with a near absence of shrapnel damage.

It's likely that it was a device with low level explosive and due to the proximity of the detonation and the target, resulted in more blast damage than shrapnel damage. This also explains the lack of scorching.

I have only seen one photo of the bus and no pbotos of the actual scene.

Canis Lupus · 11-04-2017 09:57PM

Rightwing wrote: »

A scratch or 2 ffs.

Punters who travelled should sue uefa, get their cash back.

Have you seen what a soccer player does on the field when he gets touched? An explosion next to a bus and he's probably in ER right now surrounded by specialists in every field of medicine from plastics through to pediatrics.

Rightwing · 11-04-2017 09:58PM

CoolHandBandit wrote: »

It's just a game of football some things are more important like personal safety i'd imagine. Save they hadn't called the game off and a bomb had gone off in the stadium or when fans are leaving you'd more than likely be on here saying it was an "absolute joke" playing the game.

Shouldnt be cancelling games, will encourage more attacks.

Luggnuts · 11-04-2017 09:59PM

Depp wrote: »

https://twitter.com/ReutersSports/status/851889325440675844

authorities definitely taking it seriously anyway despite the countless stray firework theories

So bullet-proof glass is put through by an alleged bomb yet those tyres on the bus are intact?

Maybe make the bus out of that rubber in future.

Irishmale0399 · 11-04-2017 09:59PM

Press conference for those who speak German will be live on https://de-de.facebook.com/Polizei.NRW.DO/ if interested. Starting any minute now...

AlekSmart · 11-04-2017 10:00PM

Winterlong wrote: »

I dont think this was a powerful blast. There are no big scorch marks like you would expect from a bomb, even a small one.
Bomb proof bus or not, there would be scorch marks.
Firecrackers are my guess.

It could also be an inner tyre exploding,which would explain the dirt marks beneath the wheelarch,as it is only the forward of the twin rear axles which has a double wheel arrangement.

An explosive decompression of a Commercial Tyre can kill,and is more than capable of breaking glass and bending metal.

The cause should be fairly easy to pin down once an examination of the bodywork is complete.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i · 11-04-2017 10:01PM

Rightwing wrote: »

A scratch or 2 ffs.

Punters who travelled should sue uefa, get their cash back.

:rolleyes:

Luggnuts wrote: »

But what if there were no incidents and the match went ahead as scheduled and there was then an incident? This whole mentality of "what if" has to be jettisoned.

As long as safety procedures are in place and the security experts (who don't have crystal balls) determine that a good game of football should go ahead as it does on a weekly basis then why cancel on a routine basis out of pure paralysing fear and speculation?

I think risking human life in order to entertain people is quite an immature approach.

3 explosions went off, we don't know much about it yet, but the right decision has been made in light of recent events.

Is there nothing else on the TV you could watch? Play some playstation maybe?

Depp · 11-04-2017 10:01PM

Luggnuts wrote: »

So bullet-proof glass is put through by an alleged bomb yet those tyres on the bus are intact?

Maybe make the bus out of that rubber in future.

kick a pane of glass and then kick the tyre on your car then think about how the two materials react differently to force

Luggnuts · 11-04-2017 10:03PM

Rightwing wrote: »

A scratch or 2 ffs.

Punters who travelled should sue uefa, get their cash back.

Did you sue when Ireland couldn't play in Paris in the rugby because of a frosty pitch?

Rightwing · 11-04-2017 10:04PM

Canis Lupus wrote: »

Have you seen what a soccer player does on the field when he gets touched? An explosion next to a bus and he's probably in ER right now surrounded by specialists in every field of medicine from plastics through to pediatrics.

Good point.

Explosion at Dortmund hotel when team bus was leaving

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