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Truck driven into crowd in Stockholm - No Speculation

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Depp


    Yes but it still has vast power and influence and the fightback against free speech and thought has already begun by censoring views and news on the internet by the establishment.

    true, but I really feel thats reached its peak, people know whats going on now


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,166 ✭✭✭Beyondgone


    Depp wrote: »
    true, but I really feel thats reached its peak, people know whats going on now

    You think?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Go online and listen (or even visit) to some of the preaching from even a "moderate" mosque and it's an eye opener. They aren't interested in integration in the slightest and are steadfast on converting people to their belief system. The hatred from the preachers at the not so moderate mosques is off the scales. This needs to be discussed on the airwaves,TV, in public etc.. and let it be known it isn't acceptable in our society.

    I've been to some, listened to some, now people who have practiced at these Mosques.

    What we consider moderate in many Mosques would be be militant far right in a Catholic Church, significantly further to the right of Franco.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,166 ✭✭✭Beyondgone


    Depp wrote: »
    Beyondgone wrote: »

    Racist! :D:D:D

    They won't run you down with a lorry, but if they get you onto a couch, they can do serious harm to your boredom threshold.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,540 ✭✭✭Special Circumstances


    Yes but it still has vast power and influence and the fightback against free speech and thought has already begun by censoring views and news on the internet by the establishment. The establishment has used the media to shape peoples opinions for years and they aren't going to give that up easily.

    I was devastated to see the Irish times replacing one white male editor with another. They of all people! An xfactor style contest with una mullaly choosing the lesbian feminist minority figurehead with most most virtue signalling potential would have been mildly entertaining. Maybe yer one from the women's March that was in prison for murder. I'd say she runs a tight ship.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,496 ✭✭✭Will I Am Not


    In what way has it been made "sh*tter"?

    No answer to this Little CuChulainn?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Depp wrote: »
    true, but I really feel thats reached its peak, people know whats going on now

    Some have and a few have an idea that something is up but most people have no idea.

    If anything as the corpses start piling up the crack down is going to become even more intense.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,002 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    Danzy wrote: »
    I've been to some, listened to some, now people who have practiced at these Mosques.

    What we consider moderate in many Mosques would be be militant far right in a Catholic Church, significantly further to the right of Franco.

    I suspect it is fair to say,that we Western Christian leaning folk actually have very little understanding of what drives modern Islam.

    Many of us think we have a good idea of how it works,but this tends to be based upon a belief that Islam is today,broadly where we Catholics were 50 years ago,and given enough time and gentle exposure to our soft,laissez-faire,all inclusive culture,Muslims will soon abandon,their version,of the same stuff which we have dropped like a hot potato.

    Unless we come to our senses,this belief in the dominance of Western Social Freedoms over widely respected & practiced Religious Fundementalism,will lead us to some very swift re-evaluation in due course.


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,705 ✭✭✭Mountainsandh


    It's not looking good for Marine Le Pen in election predictions this evening. Macron is set to gather all the left votes and herself is not performing as she seemed to plan.

    In other news, good news, the brother of Tariq Ramadan, Hani Ramadan, has been expulsed from France to Switzerland. He was over for a conference, and apparently, a number of conferences he was due to host got cancelled previously.
    He was a French teacher once, but he got fired as he defended Sharia law and lapidation of women in a newspaper article.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,745 ✭✭✭Irish Praetorian


    He was a French teacher once, but he got fired as he defended Sharia law and lapidation of women in a newspaper article.

    Stoning, just going to save everyone 10 seconds.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,705 ✭✭✭Mountainsandh


    Stoning, just going to save everyone 10 seconds.

    Sorry, tired.
    :o


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20 Master mariner


    Never to late to admit you were wrong.
    Sweden will 'never go back' to the days of mass immigration after failed asylum seeker launched Friday's truck attack in Stockholm, says the country's shell-shocked PM

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4396224/Sweden-never-mass-immigration-PM-says.html


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,540 ✭✭✭Special Circumstances


    Stoning, just going to save everyone 10 seconds.

    Cheers, initial assumption was lapidation was something to do with rabbits...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20 Master mariner


    The terrorsuspect Rahkmat Akilov was using whatsapp and had a chat before and after the attack with his ISIL contact!
    He brags about driving over 10 people!!He even made a video before he left the scene??
    He said it was revenge for Sweden bombing his country?
    Sorry only in Swedish news so far.
    http://www.expressen.se/nyheter/akilovs-is-chatt-fore-och-efter-terrordadet/

    As i remember whatsapp or some other app was used in London attacks as well.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,995 ✭✭✭take everything


    Beyondgone wrote: »
    As a "thought for the day" - what's to stop a determined, religiously motivated person, with a deep and abiding hatred of the western way of life, morals and religious views(those are the hardest people to combat - they don't fear death, they welcome it) - taking a large truck, filling it with containers of petrol and gas bottles, with a simple detonator - and running that the length of a packed Grafton St before detonating it while buried into the front windows of Brown Thomas? What level of carnage would that produce? Who or what would stop that as it unfolded?

    The answer? There is nothing and no one would be able to prevent that scenario. Which is a new and dangerous level of escalation on traditional terrorist tactics. If the security forces had their hands full with people who phoned in warnings of imminent attacks, what chance do they have with people who give no warning? Do you stop and inspect every truck entering a city? What if they take a truck that is already in that city perimeter? Or simply skip the explosive aspect and step into an idling lorry doing a delivery and head off through the nearest crowded public space? It isn't difficult to train someone to drive a lorry. Or costly. It's a tactic that must keep the heads of EU security awake at night.

    Unfortunately it may well take something like this for monolithic libtardism in this country to wake up and question their dogma.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,462 ✭✭✭blinding


    wrong thread......


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,060 ✭✭✭✭biko


    The terrorsuspect Rahkmat Akilov was using whatsapp and had a chat before and after the attack with his ISIL contact!
    He brags about driving over 10 people!!He even made a video before he left the scene??
    He said it was revenge for Sweden bombing his country?
    It shows clearly that the attack was premeditated and that he was not a lone attacker with temporary insanity.

    Most of us with more than two brain-cells to rub together knew this was going to happen since Taimour Abdulwahab tried blowing people up on Queen street in 2010. It was just a question of when and how.

    Swedish PM Stefan Löfven can **** right off. Him and the previous PM Fredrik Reinfeldt is in large part to blame for every death and rape at immigrants hands. Reinfeldt probably more than Löfven.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20 Master mariner


    biko wrote: »
    It shows clearly that the attack was premeditated and that he was not a lone attacker with temporary insanity.

    Most of us with more than two brain-cells to rub together knew this was going to happen since Taimour Abdulwahab tried blowing people up on Queen street in 2010. It was just a question of when and how.

    Yep and Sweden had been warned several times about it.
    I dont think the upcoming elections in Sweden will go to much in favor of the goverment thats in power at the moment.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,853 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    anyone find it odd that Syrian corpses can be shoved in our faces by the media when emotional response required but not when something happens in Europe, there is a sort of brush it under the carpet, nothing to see here approach. Sweden have a lot to answer for on this, its the second terrorist event there where someone due to be deported was just left to their own devices.

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20 Master mariner


    silverharp wrote: »
    anyone find it odd that Syrian corpses can be shoved in our faces by the media when emotional response required but not when something happens in Europe, there is a sort of brush it under the carpet, nothing to see here approach. Sweden have a lot to answer for on this, its the second terrorist event there where someone due to be deported was just left to their own devices.

    Something like this i guess.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,633 ✭✭✭✭Widdershins


    biko wrote: »
    It shows clearly that the attack was premeditated and that he was not a lone attacker with temporary insanity.

    Most of us with more than two brain-cells to rub together knew this was going to happen since Taimour Abdulwahab tried blowing people up on Queen street in 2010. It was just a question of when and how.

    Swedish PM Stefan Löfven can **** right off. Him and the previous PM Fredrik Reinfeldt is in large part to blame for every death and rape at immigrants hands. Reinfeldt probably more than Löfven.

    I have several friends who are in a right panic because they seriously think this is all a plot to restrict their freedom on the net and Whatsapp.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 263 ✭✭CoolHandBandit


    Whatapp and the like are a disaster for the intelligence services. Pretty worrying tbh.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,540 ✭✭✭Special Circumstances


    Poor old master mariner was deported fairly lively! If only the swedes were as handy as boards mods...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,570 ✭✭✭Ulysses Gaze


    I have several friends who are in a right panic because they seriously think this is all a plot to restrict their freedom on the net and Whatsapp.

    Which it partly is.....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,633 ✭✭✭✭Widdershins


    Which it partly is.....

    Could you expand on that, please? I'm pretty convinced the police had no hand nor part in those attacks and that they don't have some kind of lust for reading everyone's boring emails.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,060 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Whatapp and the like are a disaster for the intelligence services. Pretty worrying tbh.
    Maybe but I'd rather have the risk of some terrorists using it than giving up my privacy altogether.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,226 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    I take it the people here advocating restrictions on Muslim immigration would have had no problem with severe restrictions on Irish immigration to the UK when the halfwits in the IRA were planting bombs?

    Yeah because Irish entering UK to WORK is equivalent to uneducated non English speaking muslim migrants with no documentation turning up in Spain, Greece and Italy on dodgy boats and demanding they get to UK.

    I guess they are in your world where PIRA terrorists are the same as ISIS inspired wantabees who want nothing more than convert everyone else to their brand of sky fairy and blame ordinary people for the invasion of some place thousands of miles away.
    Nody wrote: »
    Care to quote the number of people dead in Europe on 9/11 or are you claiming that it happened in Europe? Because last time I checked the question was about attacks in EUROPE which I hope you can find on a map and then look at where New York is located by comparison.

    Here take a look at this.

    https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/europe-attacks.aspx

    Now a fair chunk of them are not terror attacks, you know some are just the odd family engaging in that often common muslim world practice of honour killings.

    When you add up the few hundred killed in France, the 200 odd in Spain, the 35 in Belgium, the 11 in Berlin, the 60 odd in Britain and many hundreds killed in Russia it does add up to quiet a few.

    BTW Western Russia where most if not all of these attacks occurred is in Europe.
    https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/europe-attacks.aspx
    BoatMad wrote: »
    what does that matter, somehow "our" terrorists are nicer then their " terrorists "

    compartmentalisation at its best here

    Oh yes all terrorists are the same, I guess like all religions are the same.
    Is must be nice living in a world with just black and white.
    RustyNut wrote: »

    Two British army bases.
    Not a christmas market, not an airport, not a metro station, not a railway station, not a seaside promenade, not a nightclub, not a satirical publication.

    BoatMad wrote: »
    You have to understand that radicalised muslims see the " west" as the issue. The call by the jihadists to radicals in Europe was not specific , it just mentioned using ordinary things to cause harm ( and specially mentioned vehicles )

    what you are then seeing is those European Muslims who have been radicalised by what they see and experience in the ME, reacting

    thats all , its not that thought out, its a form of visceral reaction, its not centrally co-ordinated etc

    And you still doing think that is not worse than a centrally controlled operation where the perpetrators used weapons that could be more easily tracked, often gave warnings before detonation, were more interested in creating massive infrastructural damage rather than just bodycount and actually wanted to survive ?

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,633 ✭✭✭✭Widdershins


    biko wrote: »
    Maybe but I'd rather have the risk of some terrorists using it than giving up my privacy altogether.

    Privacy is an illusion. There is none. If you want it, stay off whatsapp and the internet, or talk in code if it's something personal. If you accept that this terrorism insurgency is real, then you know how little the security folks have to go on, and how hard it is to prevent attacks like Stockholm. If a whasapp message is the only clue then let them do what they need to do with whatsapp, imo. I'd put those peoples lives higher on my list of priorities than a flimsy notion of privacy in texts.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,949 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    biko wrote: »
    It shows clearly that the attack was premeditated and that he was not a lone attacker with temporary insanity.

    Most of us with more than two brain-cells to rub together knew this was going to happen since Taimour Abdulwahab tried blowing people up on Queen street in 2010. It was just a question of when and how.

    Swedish PM Stefan Löfven can **** right off. Him and the previous PM Fredrik Reinfeldt is in large part to blame for every death and rape at immigrants hands. Reinfeldt probably more than Löfven.

    And it will happen again and again. Lofven is talking about an end to lax immigration policy in Sweden today. Too late, the damage is done. Why does it always take an incident for people to see sense? These politicians are supposedly smart people who clearly do not understand the long term impacts of their decisions.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,863 ✭✭✭seachto7


    biko wrote: »
    Maybe but I'd rather have the risk of some terrorists using it than giving up my privacy altogether.

    I'd rather not run the risk of not being run over or shot.


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