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Truck driven into crowd in Stockholm - No Speculation

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  • #512
    Beyondgone
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    biko wrote: »
    Tonight in Umea there was a "manifestation of lights", not against the the terror attack, but against the xenophobia it might spawn.

    https://www.facebook.com/events/1487811651232108/


    This is the Swedish way, not opposing the terrorists but opposing the people that would actually oppose the terrorists.
    As I said earlier, the most PC nation in the world..

    Utterly nuts. :(


  • #513
    Snake Plisken
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,913 ✭✭✭✭Snake Plisken


    biko wrote: »
    Tonight in Umea there was a "manifestation of lights", not against the the terror attack, but against the xenophobia it might spawn.

    https://www.facebook.com/events/1487811651232108/


    This is the Swedish way, not opposing the terrorists but opposing the people that would actually oppose the terrorists.
    As I said earlier, the most PC nation in the world..
    Very sad to see! Alas Sweden is a lost cause!


  • #514
    goose2005
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    biko wrote: »
    Tonight in Umea there was a "manifestation of lights", not against the the terror attack, but against the xenophobia it might spawn.

    https://www.facebook.com/events/1487811651232108/


    This is the Swedish way, not opposing the terrorists but opposing the people that would actually oppose the terrorists.
    As I said earlier, the most PC nation in the world..

    At a certain point you stop feeling sorry for them. I feel sorry for the dog, but I have a sneaky feeling that if the human victims had survived, they'd be tweeting #NotAllMuslims and going out to vote for the SAP


  • #515
    222233
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    It's starting to feel like "old" news, which is incredibly sad to have to say.. just seems like another day in Europe.


  • #516
    Snake Plisken
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    JupiterKid wrote: »
    I'm on a LGBT message boards and any discussion that the Stockholm attack and other Islamist terrorist attacks might, just might be linked to immigration into Europe is shouted down as xenophobic and racist. Left wing SJW cultural Marxist views predominate. Sad that you can't even try to generate a reasoned discussion without being branded a bigot.

    I don't understand it, although saying that,gay voters are embracing Marine Le Pen in record numbers according to reports.


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  • #517
    Snake Plisken
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    RIP this poor child maybe her picture should be handed out at those stupid protests
    https://twitter.com/tinkerpuss/status/850807552355028993


  • #518
    Beyondgone
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    Snake Plisken wrote: »
    I don't understand it, although saying that gay voters are embracing Marine Le Pen in record numbers according to reports.

    The ones with any sense would. All the years of fighting for rights and freedoms, which will be rendered null because they won't be able to walk down the street without fearing a beating from intolerant imbeciles fresh off the boat from Refugeeistan. It has taken generations to reach a level where there are proper rights for LGBT people, but that looks to have been in vain because of a warped attitude to immigration that will undo the good within a few short years. :(


  • #519
    humanji
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    biko wrote: »
    Tonight in Umea there was a "manifestation of lights", not against the the terror attack, but against the xenophobia it might spawn.

    https://www.facebook.com/events/1487811651232108/


    This is the Swedish way, not opposing the terrorists but opposing the people that would actually oppose the terrorists.
    As I said earlier, the most PC nation in the world..

    But that's against the terrorists AND the people who are going to use it as an excuse to blame all Muslims for what the fanatics do. And by a lot of replies on this thread, they're too late.


  • #520
    b_mac2
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    humanji wrote: »
    But that's against the terrorists AND the people who are going to use it as an excuse to blame all Muslims for what the fanatics do. And by a lot of replies on this thread, they're too late.

    Yeah because a few fùckin candles will sort both of those things.


  • #521
    Mountainsandh
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    Widdershins wrote: »
    For BoatMad, interesting article detailing the different attitudes among young Muslims over time (in French banlieues)

    ''Many French Muslims, even in the banlieues, seem to agree with Kepel that the core problem is the spread of more aggressive forms of Islam. In Mantes-la-Jolie, I met a 50-year-old shop owner who told me he believed that by the 1990s, the situation was improving, and “France was ready to assimilate its Maghrebins,†or North Africans. What changed, he said, was not primarily the advances of the racist National Front, but the spread of Gulf-sponsored Salafism. The man described this phenomenon in terms almost identical to Kepel’s. He told me he had been shaken by some of his encounters with young local men, many of them poorly educated and delinquent but full of religious rage. Sometimes, he said, men came into the shop and called him an infidel, in front of other customers. The shopkeeper asked me not to use his name, because he feared reprisals from the Salafis. “Now, people seem almost not to want assimilation,†he said. “They have taken on a religion that has nothing to do with their own origins. It’s a lost generation.â€''

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/05/magazine/france-election-gilles-kepel-islam.html?smid=fb-share&_r=0

    Widdershins that is mad, that is very close to a post I made in another thread of my experience of growing up in France in the 80s-90s. I was wondering a little whether it was just my experience being skewed, so I'm glad to see some validation from the muslim side.
    The 80s-90s felt great for integration. There was the movement "Touche pas á mon pote", and many many muslims of that generation seem to have integrated so well.

    I have to say though, I agree with the poster who says change and revolt has to come from muslims, we are but little in this whole thing.

    And I feel terrible about this, but I can't help but think that by letting in refugees by the hundreds, we're giving them a way out of this problem, temporarily, only to later share their problem ourselves.

    It's a little like letting in a multitude of people in from a country contaminated by a virus, to save them, while we know that some amongst them carry the virus. You're just displacing and spreading the problem, and solving nothing.

    And meanwhile, extreme islamists rub their hands, as we are doing exactly as they expect.

    That's my experience/post from before :
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=102920035&postcount=21


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  • #522
    suicide_circus
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    Snake Plisken wrote: »
    RIP this poor child maybe her picture should be handed out at those stupid protests
    https://twitter.com/v_of_europe/status/850796396492009473

    For **** sake take that down.


  • #523
    Call Me Jimmy
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    JupiterKid wrote: »
    I'm on a LGBT message boards and any discussion that the Stockholm attack and other Islamist terrorist attacks might, just might be linked to immigration into Europe is shouted down as xenophobic and racist. Left wing SJW cultural Marxist views predominate. Sad that you can't even try to generate a reasoned discussion without being branded a bigot.

    Give it time, it'll whittle down to the two most 'virtuous' people eventually and one will mention the galway races and the other will say the word race is close to racism and proceed to attack them. Nothing left then except crickets and their own flaws for eternity.


  • #524
    Allah snackbar
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    If the French have any sense they'll elect Le Pen and not make the same mistake the Dutch made , I'm not right wing by any stretch of the imagination but left leaning governments have proven themselves totally inadequate at stopping the mass invasion of Europe and we now see the consequences of inaction with the murder of European citizens in our capitals , tough and unpopular decisions need to be made before too many more lives are lost


  • #525
    Widdershins
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    Photographs have their place as evidence and for creating a record of events, but I also think people in general are too easily swayed by photographs. It was the same when the photograph of the boy on the beach became a symbol of the refugee crisis. Those images are very emotive and they probably make it harder to think about the situation a bit more clinically or logically.


  • #526
    222233
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    Allah snackbar wrote: »
    If the French have any sense they'll elect Le Pen and not make the same mistake the Dutch made , I'm not right wing by any stretch of the imagination but left leaning governments have proven themselves totally inadequate at stopping the mass invasion of Europe and we now see the consequences of inaction with the murder of European citizens in our capitals , tough and unpopular decisions need to be made before too many more lives are lost

    i completely agree with you but tough decisions should have been made after the first attack... Tough decisions will never be made.


  • #527
    Mountainsandh
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    suicide_circus wrote: »
    For **** sake take that down.

    Marine Le Pen and the extreme right are scary, Suicide_circus, but there is a point to be made, urgently, and it needs to be made quite firmly.

    It's terrible that no other party or movement seems willing to tackle the problems, but of course no one is going to come forward unless people just face up to them (the problems).

    I think public opinion here might change drastically if there were to be an attack, and Ireland is stomach-churningly vulnerable.

    edit : it seems there are gruesome pictures in the link ? not sure and not willing to find out. If that's the case then I'd say remove the link to them. A link referencing the little girl is ok though.


  • #528
    Mountainsandh
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    Allah snackbar wrote: »
    If the French have any sense they'll elect Le Pen and not make the same mistake the Dutch made , I'm not right wing by any stretch of the imagination but left leaning governments have proven themselves totally inadequate at stopping the mass invasion of Europe and we now see the consequences of inaction with the murder of European citizens in our capitals , tough and unpopular decisions need to be made before too many more lives are lost

    It's terrible, horrible and very scary, but sadly, there's something in that.
    I'm not one for Marine Le Pen at all, but solutions need to be found, Europe in general needs to react, and there are no alternatives !


  • #529
    blinding
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    Allah snackbar wrote: »
    If the French have any sense they'll elect Le Pen and not make the same mistake the Dutch made , I'm not right wing by any stretch of the imagination but left leaning governments have proven themselves totally inadequate at stopping the mass invasion of Europe and we now see the consequences of inaction with the murder of European citizens in our capitals , tough and unpopular decisions need to be made before too many more lives are lost
    If your politicians won't change their policies then change your politicians.............

    With regard to unwanted immigration ; The Australians had similar problems a few years ago and they dealt with it . Elect politicians that will deal with it in the same manner .


  • #530
    Depp
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    blinding wrote: »
    If your politicians won't change their policies then change your politicians.............

    With regard to unwanted immigration ; The Australians had similar problems a few years ago and they dealt with it . Elect politicians that will deal with it in the same manner .

    such a pity we dont have that option here, unless its to change from fianna fail to fianna gael or vice versa, political landscape in this country is a joke.


  • #531
    Snake Plisken
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    suicide_circus wrote: »
    For **** sake take that down.

    I've used a different source for the link I cannot control what people post replying to the tweet but it's just the article now.


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  • #532
    Mountainsandh
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    blinding wrote: »
    If your politicians won't change their policies then change your politicians.............

    With regard to unwanted immigration ; The Australians had similar problems a few years ago and they dealt with it . Elect politicians that will deal with it in the same manner .

    Absolutely. Unfortunately the only offer on the table is Marine Le Pen.
    Her term might spur new movements to emerge though, you never know, as the French people have a habit of becoming dissatisfied with whomever was elected within months of the new presidency.


  • #533
    suicide_circus
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    Snake Plisken wrote: »
    I've used a different source for the link I cannot control what people post replying to the tweet but it's just the article now.
    Fair enough
    I just think that kind of gore porn adds nothing to the debate


  • #534
    Snake Plisken
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    Widdershins wrote: »
    Photographs have their place as evidence and for creating a record of events, but I also think people in general are too easily swayed by photographs. It was the same when the photograph of the boy on the beach became a symbol of the refugee crisis. Those images are very emotive and they probably make it harder to think about the situation a bit more clinically or logically.

    Exactly even though the parents were coming from Turkey it was used to push a Europe to open border policies as was the picture of the dead kids in Syria I'm sure it swayed Trump's air strike but maybe Europeans should see what the aftermath of these attacks do the poor innocent victims and then we may see some pressure come to bare on the European governments.


  • #535
    Depp
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    biko wrote: »
    Tonight in Umea there was a "manifestation of lights", not against the the terror attack, but against the xenophobia it might spawn.

    https://www.facebook.com/events/1487811651232108/


    This is the Swedish way, not opposing the terrorists but opposing the people that would actually oppose the terrorists.
    As I said earlier, the most PC nation in the world..

    The pc left are a parody of themselves at this stage!


  • #536
    Beyondgone
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    suicide_circus wrote: »
    Fair enough
    I just think that kind of gore porn adds nothing to the debate

    You don't think it adds a touch of reality, no?


  • #537
    suicide_circus
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    Beyondgone wrote: »
    You don't think it adds a touch of reality, no?

    I'm capable of abstract thought so I don't need actually photos


  • #538
    Beyondgone
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    suicide_circus wrote: »
    I'm capable of abstract thought so I don't need actually photos

    Yeah, I'd say you probably do though. Abstract thoughts tend to lead to comfy little ideas. Gritty pictures tend to burst bubbles. ;)


  • #539
    suicide_circus
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    Beyondgone wrote: »
    Yeah, I'd say you probably do though. Abstract thoughts tend to lead to comfy little ideas. Gritty pictures tend to burst bubbles. ;)
    Whatever gets you off dude


  • #540
    Allah snackbar
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    blinding wrote: »
    If your politicians won't change their policies then change your politicians.............

    With regard to unwanted immigration ; The Australians had similar problems a few years ago and they dealt with it . Elect politicians that will deal with it in the same manner .

    If voting actually changed anything we'd all be living in dictatorships


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  • #541
    Beyondgone
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    suicide_circus wrote: »
    Whatever gets you off dude

    I'm not the one complaining about pictures of a little girl some lunatic ran down with a lorry. But they do say burying your head in the sand is comforting. :) There weren't many complaints about that little boy on the beach. Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander, right? :confused:


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