Significant Development in Trevor Deely Case(No Speculation)

Wheeliebin30 · 07-04-2017 07:19PM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

My understanding is it's old footage that has been enhanced so that this man they're looking for has been spotted waiting outside the bank - this image was not seen before because of the quality of the footage.

I really hope something comes of this for the Deely family.....I can't imagine how horrendous it must be to lose a loved and never know what happened or where they are.

But someone said they seen this footage on some donal mccantyre programme last year.

It wasn't as clear but you could still make out a man.

Just wonder how long the garda have had this footage.

Ferris_Bueller · 07-04-2017 07:31PM

That footage is creepy alright. Very hard to imagine anyone being able to identify the man in the hat based on that footage though.

It seems as if the man was waiting at the little gate in the first clip, he was just floating around, sitting down and standing up without any purpose really, I can't imagine it being someone homeless/begging just happening to be waiting around there in the lashing rain. Also doesn't appear that Trevor knew the person as he walked straight by him. It is strange that there is about 20 seconds between Trevor walking out of frame in the first clip and into frame in the second when it appears both gates are a couple of meters away from one another.

Does it seem as if the unidentified man may be aware that he is on CCTV when he is at the bigger gate beside Trevor? He turns his back to the cameras and also seems to have his head down a lot.

oneilla · 07-04-2017 07:42PM

An anonymous donor has offered €100,000 for information.

Phibsboro · 07-04-2017 07:44PM

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

But someone said they seen this footage on some donal mccantyre programme last year.

It wasn't as clear but you could still make out a man.

Just wonder how long the garda have had this footage.

The McCantyre program appears to have had access to basically the same footage. But there are two strange things about that program's reference to these key sequences. First off, McCantyre says that Trevor and the man interacted again as he was leaving, which we can see from the footage isn't the case. As he is saying this, the program shows a CCTV free frame from the gate camera, which appears to show a scene that isn't show in the released footage. Here is a grab from the youtube of the McCantyre program:

kLWZo

At no point in the footage released today do we see Trevor over on the side of the gate, standing within the area with the light reflection. I wonder if there is a little artistic license going there by the McCantyre team?

Edit - not sure why that image wouldn't inline for here, here is the link http://imgur.com/a/kLWZo

noodler · 07-04-2017 08:16PM

I've watched the footage again, I think I can see the man at 1:59 when TD exits at the top right of the screen.

Edit: looks like he steps in and out of cover.

Ohmeha · 07-04-2017 08:43PM

I always never understood how he could have been going to home to Serpentine Ave by walking up Haddington Road.

The new footage while a positive development still leaves so many unanswered questions, maybe raises more. The brief interaction and time gap between Trevor walking past the man and the man arriving first at the gate despite the short distance is puzzling.

noodler · 07-04-2017 08:45PM

Ohmeha wrote: »

I always never understood how he could have been going to home to Serpentine Ave by walking up Haddington Road.

The new footage while a positive development still leaves so many unanswered questions, maybe raises more. The brief interaction and time gap between Trevor walking past the man and the man arriving first at the gate despite the short distance is puzzling.

As someone said, the two cameras are unlikely to have been synced.

Winterlong · 07-04-2017 08:48PM

Ohmeha wrote: »

I always never understood how he could have been going to home to Serpentine Ave by walking up Haddington Road.

It's a funny one all right. Is there a late night cafe or chip shop on that route? I dont remember if there was or not. His home is 7 on the map below.

Ohmeha · 07-04-2017 08:58PM

noodler wrote: »

As someone said, the two cameras are unlikely to have been synced.

It's not to do with the syncing of the two cameras.

Based on each footage, on CAM 1 16 second gap between Trevor exiting image and the Man exiting image. On Cam 2 18 second gap between Man entering image and Trevor entering image. If that's the same spot at Wilton Terrace Trevor must have stopped immediately on exiting CAM 1 for minimum of 36 seconds in that exact blind spot.

Wheeliebin30 · 07-04-2017 08:58PM

How come we don't see the man walking after Trevor from the camera which is angled on the gate when Trevor leaves and walks left?

oneilla · 07-04-2017 09:01PM

Winterlong wrote: »

It's a funny one all right. Is there a late night cafe or chip shop on that route? I dont remember if there was or not. His home is 7 on the map below.

There's a 24hr Spar

wdmfapq4zs83hv · 07-04-2017 09:02PM

When TD comes back out of the bank with his brolly you can clearly see a flash of someone top right.

This case has always fascinated me. I worked in the area at the time. I always felt he went into the canal whether accidentally or not. It certainly does look like this man has some involvement. But if he was going to rob him surely he would have just done it at first contact. Why wait around to follow him. And very strange this man waiting outside for half an hour.

Wheeliebin30 · 07-04-2017 09:10PM

He seems to be stumbling in the last footage but not the footage at the gate.

wdmfapq4zs83hv · 07-04-2017 09:14PM

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

He seems to be stumbling in the last footage but not the footage at the gate.

Maybe it was windy?

Wheeliebin30 · 07-04-2017 09:16PM

Micah Rotten Gesture wrote: »

Maybe it was windy?

True.

Phibsboro · 07-04-2017 09:18PM

Ohmeha wrote: »

It's not to do with the syncing of the two cameras.

Based on each footage, on CAM 1 16 second gap between Trevor exiting image and the Man exiting image. On Cam 2 18 second gap between Man entering image and Trevor entering image. If that's the same spot at Wilton Terrace Trevor must have stopped immediately on exiting CAM 1 for minimum of 36 seconds in that exact blind spot.

The point about the syncing issue is that the 18 seconds before the man enters CAM2 is irrelevant if they are not synced. Certainly it is strange that he enters first, but the time before he arrives isn't relevant unless we know the two cams are synced. So you can't just add the 18 to the 16 from the first cam (though obviously it is somewhere between 16-34 secs).

07-04-2017 09:21PM

This case has always resonated with me. I was 22 that year too, and also working in financial services. I don't know why, but I also have this impression that he was a good guy.

Please God let his family get some answers.

noodler · 07-04-2017 09:24PM

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

He seems to be stumbling in the last footage but not the footage at the gate.

If he'd been hurt in an earlier confrontation I don't think he'd have the umbrella up.

Unless you are positing that perhaps he had a drink in BoI?

Thesomersarms · 07-04-2017 09:37PM

First off the most striking thing is the wait of a half hour in the pouring rain, that suggests something about his state of mind, drunk/on drugs given the time of night, it doesn't look sheltered so that's odd.

Secondly before Trevor arrives it appears he is on a phone using his right hand then lifts his hand again using his left hand it could be just rubbing the side of his head but he appears to be on a phone.

Thirdly his reaction to talking to Trevor he turns and drops his head which to me suggests he asked him for something maybe money and doesn't get the answer he wants, and it also points to being drunk or out of it, not in his senses.

Given the night, there was a taxi strike so did this guy have no way to get home. Did he know someone in the bank and that's why the long wait at that location waiting for them to return.

The long wait is very odd and if you were begging it doesn't fit the bill to stand out in the pouring rain at 3.30 am. Was he waiting for someone else to return as doesn't appear they knew each other. Was he trying to get a lift because he was stranded.

Horrible for the family, I hope the guards crack it soon.

Fleawuss · 07-04-2017 09:38PM

This guy is waiting on a street in a very wet night. He knows that street. He seems to sit under a pillar as if it gives shelter. He follows Trevor. He gets to the gate first. Like he knows BoI workers sometimes go in there at night. He talks to Trevor. Who doesn't seem too bothered. Was there a regular beggar around that area? Had other BoI been asked by him? But his reaction. His reaction is rejection. And does he rest his head on the pillar? A guy who's on something? It's a reaction of frustration despair. He looks like he has issues. And maybe Trevor is the only person on the move at that hour. Or maybe he took offense. Someone who worked nights or someone who worked the streets knows him. I hope the reward loosens a tongue.

Wheeliebin30 · 07-04-2017 09:40PM

Fleawuss wrote: »

This guy is waiting on a street in a very wet night. He knows that street. He seems to sit under a pillar as if it gives shelter. He follows Trevor. He gets to the gate first. Like he knows BoI workers sometimes go in there at night. He talks to Trevor. Who doesn't seem too bothered. Was there a regular beggar around that area? Had other BoI been asked by him? But his reaction. His reaction is rejection. And does he rest his head on the pillar? A guy who's on something? It's a reaction of frustration despair. He looks like he has issues. And maybe Trevor is the only person on the move at that hour. Or maybe he took offense. Someone who worked nights or someone who worked the streets knows him. I hope the reward loosens a tongue.

Surely if they loosened their tongue now for money they would be arrested for withholding information.

Fleawuss · 07-04-2017 09:45PM

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Surely if they loosened their tongue now for money they would be arrested for withholding information.

Not necessarily. Maybe they never connected a person they brought in a taxi, counseled, begged from them, found sitting around at an ungodly hour, who paid for sex, whatever with the guy in the video. Loosen tongue might be the wrong phrase: jog the memory, join up a few dots.

noodler · 07-04-2017 09:51PM

Like, if he was waiting for TD, how could he be sure he'd actually come back out?

Seems like a leap of faith.

Its so tragic and so puzzling.

Morbid thought: is it possible for a body in the dodder to have drifted away before people starting looking miles later?

Fleawuss · 07-04-2017 09:59PM

noodler wrote: »

Like, if he was waiting for TD, how could he be sure he'd actually come back out?

Seems like a leap of faith.

Its so tragic and so puzzling.

Morbid thought: is it possible for a body in the dodder to have drifted away before people starting looking miles later?

It's no leap of faith. The guy was out all night in the pissing rain. He had nowhere to go. Maybe he took offense from the meeting and having nothing better to do hung around. If Trevor came out he came out. The guy seemed to know that street. Did he sleep rough there? Maybe the only contact he had was with Trevor and he hung around because there was some chance he could have a second go. It's probably less puzzling than we make it. He was a guy with issues. Somebody might remember a guy with issues in the area who was a street guy.

Phibsboro · 07-04-2017 10:02PM

Micah Rotten Gesture wrote: »

When TD comes back out of the bank with his brolly you can clearly see a flash of someone top right.

The flash is actually someone walking past going in the other direction. That cam obviously has a very low framerate so that the guy (in what looks like a grey hoodie) only shows for 2 frames, one in the middle of the shot and then next on the right. If you don't see the first frame then the effect is as though someone appeared and pulled back on the right.

Edit - actually he is 3 frames, he appears on the left side as well. So left, middle, right. Its not the guy in black.

noodler · 07-04-2017 10:08PM

Phibsboro wrote: »

The flash is actually someone walking past going in the other direction. That cam obviously has a very low framerate so that the guy (in what looks like a grey hoodie) only shows for 2 frames, one in the middle of the shot and then next on the right. If you don't see the first frame then the effect is as though someone appeared and pulled back on the right.

Edit - actually he is 3 frames, he appears on the left side as well. So left, middle, right. Its not the guy in black.

Christ I'm going blind. Thanks.

I'm unsure on whether or not it's him tho, light could have made the jacket seem a darker colour?

Thesomersarms · 07-04-2017 10:15PM

Fleawuss wrote: »

It's no leap of faith. The guy was out all night in the pissing rain. He had nowhere to go. Maybe he took offense from the meeting and having nothing better to do hung around. If Trevor came out he came out. The guy seemed to know that street. Did he sleep rough there? Maybe the only contact he had was with Trevor and he hung around because there was some chance he could have a second go. It's probably less puzzling than we make it. He was a guy with issues. Somebody might remember a guy with issues in the area who was a street guy.

Yeah I agree it's probably less puzzling. To me it's like he was waiting for someone, hoping/expecting they would return there, being on the phone is telling, obviously I can't be sure it's a phone but it looks as if he is holding something to his ear I wonder if this footage was available at the time checking phone logs on tower masts may have revealed something, Trevor came along asked him for something he doesn't like the answer then still waiting for whoever he was waiting for Trevor comes back out and remembers him from first encounter and if he was out of it/not of sound mind gets angry follows Trevor

It's a shame this took so long to come out

Phibsboro · 07-04-2017 10:21PM

noodler wrote: »

Christ I'm going blind. Thanks.

I'm unsure on whether or not it's him tho, light could have made the jacket seem a darker colour?

Well, in the 3rd frame he would be pretty much where the guy in black is when he enters the scene just before Trevor earlier, and the clothes don't look the same.

Another interesting thing is that the guy in black appears to take something out his pocket with his right hand as he enters cam2. Not clear what that adds really, my mind was thinking it could be cigarettes and he is lighting a cigarette in during the interaction when he puts his head towards the wall and down, but we don't really see his hands come up as though to do this. The way his hand comes out of the pocket makes it more look a phone possibly, hard to know.

Wheeliebin30 · 07-04-2017 10:23PM

Can you see the man follow Trevor in the camera with the gate in view when Trevor walks to the left?

wdmfapq4zs83hv · 07-04-2017 10:39PM

It really does look like he asked TD for something, most probably money, and was rejected. Judging by the body language. He may have been angry, followed him & pushed him in the canal. Just a theory.

Significant Development in Trevor Deely Case(No Speculation)

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