Significant Development in Trevor Deely Case(No Speculation)

osarusan · 07-04-2017 01:23PM

Winterlong wrote: »

The first clip seems to be from this door.
https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.3324753,-6.2520683,3a,75y,325.82h,81.8t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1scSX5wfv2LSi_DtltAHCkLQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

And the gate Trevor enters is to the right of that.
I was confused about the geography here and always thought he had gone in the main gate.

You might be right about the gate the guy is waiting at, but not about the gate Trevor enters (if you mean the bigger gate visible in the same google maps streetview).

That gate is just a few steps away from the first gate, yet the guy waits a few seconds before going in the same direction as Trevor, then arrives at the gate before him?

Also, where exactly was the BOI Asset Management building?

SEPT 23 1989 · 07-04-2017 01:25PM

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Anyone?

They sent it over to the UK to be cleaned up

malarkus · 07-04-2017 01:31PM

osarusan wrote: »

You might be right about the gate the guy is waiting at, but not about the gate Trevor enters (if you mean the bigger gate visible in the same google maps streetview).

That gate is just a few steps away from the first gate, yet the guy waits a few seconds before going in the same direction as Trevor, then arrives at the gate before him?

Also, where exactly was the BOI Asset Management building?

Actually I think he is spot on with the gate. If you look at the video theres a spotlight that comes on, presumably a motion sensor. You can see one if you zoom in on the google maps link beside the billboard for "Al Fresco dining". Also the perimeter wall to the left ends in white with the exact same shape of brickwork as the wall in the maps link.

Phibsboro · 07-04-2017 01:32PM

That footage is very interesting. There are a few things that confuse me.

What I assume are the two gates can be seen in the one shot, here :

https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.3324925,-6.2520114,3a,75y,321.99h,85.31t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sTOlMQ9OyMxAVpBBhIuvrlQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

They literally a few feet from each other. But in the footage, the guy in black follows Trevor from the first gate but arrives before him at the second gate - how on earth did he manage that? Did Tervor stop? Where the guy in black goes to (right up to the second gate) is off the street by good bit, did he know that is where Trevor was headed?

Re Trevor going into office because he was being followed, that doesn't make sense when you see how close the gates are. It was only a few feet from when he passed the guy to when he went into the building. Unless there was some kind of an interaction between the two scenes, which might also account for the guy arriving before Trevor at the second gate.

Re the interaction we do see, it seems like begging to me - watch the guy in black's head drop as the interaction finishes, classic hang dog expression after being told no while begging. Trevor certainly doesn't know the guy, as he waltzes right by him seconds earlier.

Finally - that walk. If that guy is every going to be found, its that walk that will give him away...

osarusan · 07-04-2017 01:42PM

malarkus wrote: »

Actually I think he is spot on with the gate. If you look at the video theres a spotlight that comes on, presumably a motion sensor. You can see one if you zoom in on the google maps link beside the billboard for "Al Fresco dining". Also the perimeter wall to the left ends in white with the exact same shape of brickwork as the wall in the maps link.

Actually that makes sense alright.

Maybe it's just the angle that makes it look like the other guy arrives first.

nc6000 · 07-04-2017 01:45PM

osarusan wrote: »

Maybe it's just the angle that makes it look like the other guy arrives first.

On the second camera from the other side of the gate the guy in black does get there before Trevor.

How is that I wonder?

seamus · 07-04-2017 01:46PM

Maybe I'm being stupid here, but when Trevor comes back out of the office at 4am, I see no indication that the guy is still there?

07-04-2017 01:47PM

nc6000 wrote: »

On the second camera from the other side of the gate the guy in black does get there before Trevor.

How is that I wonder?

Could be something as simple as Trevor tying a shoelace. On the other hand it could be more sinister, could be a case of Trevor stalling to see if your man would just go on ahead and f*ck off.

osarusan · 07-04-2017 01:48PM

seamus wrote: »

Maybe I'm being stupid here, but when Trevor comes back out of the office at 4am, I see no indication that the guy is still there?

No, you can't see anybody else in the footage when he leaves.

The guy is standing there for 25 minutes before Trevor arrives, speaks briefly at that gate, then apparently (but not on the released footage) "waiting for a short time before crossing the road."

In the final piece of footage we can see somebody walking a few seconds behind Trevor, but that's on Haddington Road, about 10 minutes after he leaves the BOI building, and I'm not sure it's the same person. Looks a different (slighter) build to me. But Gardai seem to think it's the same person:

Gardaí believe that the male acting suspiciously outside of Trevor’s place of work is the same male that is seen passing the Bank of Ireland ATM on Haddington Road 34 seconds after Trevor that morning.

clancywigam · 07-04-2017 01:51PM

nc6000 wrote: »

On the second camera from the other side of the gate the guy in black does get there before Trevor.

How is that I wonder?

In the first clip as TD passes by the entrance it looks like he is talking on his phone, then when he appears in the second clip he is no longer on the phone. That could explain how the guy in black got to the second entrance before him. Maybe TD stopped outside to finish his phone call before proceeding in through the gate, the guy in black sees this from the first entrance and realises that TD is going to go inside so he slips past him and waits at the second gate.

malarkus · 07-04-2017 02:02PM

clancywigam wrote: »

In the first clip as TD passes by the entrance it looks like he is talking on his phone, then when he appears in the second clip he is no longer on the phone. That could explain how the guy in black got to the second entrance before him. Maybe TD stopped outside to finish his phone call before proceeding in through the gate, the guy in black sees this from the first entrance and realises that TD is going to go inside so he slips past him and waits at the second gate.

That would explain the delay alright, finish up the call before neediing his hands to unlock the gate. May also have stopped to get his keys out too. The guy beside him could potentially had overheard him and waited at the gate.

noodler · 07-04-2017 02:06PM

So hard not to speculate but you wonder was it actually just a disgruntled begger who got refused?

Then again, why wait outside BoI before Trevor arrives (first clip), and would it really be a good place for begging?

Regardless, I'm amazed this could not be seen in the footage previously.

osarusan · 07-04-2017 02:08PM

Phibsboro wrote: »

They literally a few feet from each other. But in the footage, the guy in black follows Trevor from the first gate but arrives before him at the second gate - how on earth did he manage that? Did Tervor stop? Where the guy in black goes to (right up to the second gate) is off the street by good bit, did he know that is where Trevor was headed?

Re Trevor going into office because he was being followed, that doesn't make sense when you see how close the gates are. It was only a few feet from when he passed the guy to when he went into the building. Unless there was some kind of an interaction between the two scenes, which might also account for the guy arriving before Trevor at the second gate.

Yeah. In the footage from the first camera, Trevor exits to the left at 03.34.19. The guy hangs round until 03.34.34. That's 15 seconds, and there doesn't seem to be any interaction visible between them in that time. If Trevor had always planning to go in that gate, he'd already have been inside after 15 seconds.

The timestamps on the two videos are not in sync, so it's hard to tell how long it all took.

Winterlong · 07-04-2017 02:09PM

noodler wrote: »

So hard not to speculate but you wonder was it actually just a disgruntled begger who got refused?

Then again, why wait outside BoI before Trevor arrives (first clip), and would it really be a good place for begging?

Regardless, I'm amazed this could not be seen in the footage previously.

Yeah, that get's me too. Why stand there? I suppose if he was a mugger than he was waiting for someone to come along to target? But then again if he was a mugger why follow him all the way to haddington road....its darker at the canal further on wilton place.

p to the e · 07-04-2017 02:10PM

Not sure if already linked but for anybody wanting to catch up on the case the Irish Times did a two parter a few months back.
Part 1:
https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/the-disappearance-of-trevor-deely-part-1-1.2120358
Part 2:
https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/the-disappearance-of-trevor-deely-part-2-the-search-1.2119911

Wheeliebin30 · 07-04-2017 02:19PM

noodler wrote: »

So hard not to speculate but you wonder was it actually just a disgruntled begger who got refused?

Then again, why wait outside BoI before Trevor arrives (first clip), and would it really be a good place for begging?

Regardless, I'm amazed this could not be seen in the footage previously.

That's what I don't get.

Is this new footage they only discovered and had sent off or did they have it all along?

FrancieBrady · 07-04-2017 02:22PM

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

That's what I don't get.

Is this new footage they only discovered and had sent off or did they have it all along?

They had the last bit with the umbrella and the man walking behind but not the rest of it afaik.

Wheeliebin30 · 07-04-2017 02:23PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

They had the last bit with the umbrella and the man walking behind but not the rest of it afaik.

How did they only discover it recently?

nacho libre · 07-04-2017 02:27PM

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/anonymous-donor-offers-100k-reward-for-information-on-missing-man-trevor-deely-35602988.html

Wheeliebin30 · 07-04-2017 02:34PM

A begger is hardly gonna have a car and the means to hide a dead body is he?

andekwarhola · 07-04-2017 02:36PM

As said already, it's so eerie. So hard to watch the footage as he leaves, thinking what's going to happen.

FrancieBrady · 07-04-2017 02:36PM

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

How did they only discover it recently?

I think they collected up all the CCTV at the time but the only useable clip was the last one, the rest is enhanced.

Winterlong · 07-04-2017 02:38PM

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

A begger is hardly gonna have a car and the means to hide a dead body is he?

True, but the dodder was on his route.

andekwarhola · 07-04-2017 02:41PM

Wabbit Ears wrote: »

Thats not a thing people do normally. You dont ring your mate at 3 am after the office party to goto the office for a cup of tea. Thats just not a believeable story.

People are forgetting about Internet access back then. No mobile Internet and much fewer home accounts. I often used to swing by the college labs back then, for example, to check emails, even late at night.

Wheeliebin30 · 07-04-2017 02:45PM

Winterlong wrote: »

True, but the dodder was on his route.

Surely his body would have been found?

CPSW · 07-04-2017 04:10PM

Those Irish Times articles are well worth the read thanks for sharing them.

This case always fascinated me as how could someone disappear without trace, I remember his poster for months and month on every lamp post in the city centre in the aftermath of his disappearance. Just hoping someone knows something that can bring some closure for his family.

Toots · 07-04-2017 04:14PM

Wabbit Ears wrote: »

Thats not a thing people do normally. You dont ring your mate at 3 am after the office party to goto the office for a cup of tea. Thats just not a believeable story.

He went in to grab a brolly and he stopped for a chat and a cuppa with his mate that was there AFAIK. There would have been tonnes of those big BOI corporate golf umbrellas there and it was lashing rain that night.

nc6000 · 07-04-2017 04:23PM

Toots wrote: »

There would have been tonnes of those big BOI corporate golf umbrellas there and it was lashing rain that night.

It was an Accbank umbrella.

Biggest lickspittle on boardz · 07-04-2017 05:30PM

I hope this new development might help in establishing what happened to Trevor. I can't even begin to imagine what his family are going through, what an awful situation to be in. Here's hoping there is progress made after all these years.

AudreyHepburn · 07-04-2017 06:51PM

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

That's what I don't get.

Is this new footage they only discovered and had sent off or did they have it all along?

My understanding is it's old footage that has been enhanced so that this man they're looking for has been spotted waiting outside the bank - this image was not seen before because of the quality of the footage.

I really hope something comes of this for the Deely family.....I can't imagine how horrendous it must be to lose a loved and never know what happened or where they are.

Significant Development in Trevor Deely Case(No Speculation)

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