Truck driven into crowd in Stockholm - No Speculation

Tabnabs · 07-04-2017 03:46PM

Second suspect has been arrested by Swedish police. The mobile phone network in Stockholm is "overloaded" and people are being told to make contact via social media.

Rightwing · 07-04-2017 03:47PM

biko wrote: »

Swedsh PM says everything points to a terror attack.

This is not the first time there have been an attack either.
Last one was Taimour Abdulwahab in 2010 that tried to blow people up one the same street (Queen Street).
Fortunately the bombvest exploded before he reached the crowds and he was the single casualty.

This guy sounds like the right man to have in charge.

Lollipoppins · 07-04-2017 03:49PM

Bacchus wrote: »

The question wasn't how to stop an attack. The question was specifically about these truck attacks. Technology can be used to restrict the ability of attackers to carry out THIS specific type of attack.

I agree with your sentiment but that's not what my post was addressing.

RFID Chip Implants....Verichip was the company who pioneered the first officially "known" test on the public, one of the subsections of the Obamacare. I did my thesis on it. Mad stuff altogether but very real. Very plausible and it will happen because it does work. Given enough incentive, i.e. fear, slap a cool "i" in front of it like iSkin or some ****e, and we'll all be clamoring to surrender those pesky personal freedoms and get a sub-dermal wonder of the modern age.

Biggest lickspittle on boardz · 07-04-2017 03:49PM

The West needs to seriously consider the covert arming, training, and supplying weapons and intelligence to moderate right wing/ex military groups with a view to targeted eliminations of known terror threats. Proxy wars via controlled right wing paramilitary groups is the only answer now. This is war, and the only rule of war is to kill your enemy before he kills you.

The reality is that there are only two logical options here:

1. Do nothing, and appease/surrender to Islam.

2. Engage in pre-emptive strikes against known threats.

I know which one I support. Both involve suffering and violence, however.

jacksie66 · 07-04-2017 03:51PM

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Bacchus · 07-04-2017 03:51PM

RebelButtMunch wrote: »

I hear ya, but if its not a truck, its a jcb. If its not a jcb its a car, or knife or hammer, or anything else...

Oh yeah totally. I guess the objective here is to remove the "weapons of mass killings" from reach. Right now trucks are easy to access and have the potential to kill large numbers before being stopped. If they have to resort to cars... the potential numbers go down. Resorting to knives/hammers... the potential numbers go down. It's about damage limitation. I don't see any initiative from the EU though to try and stop this type of attack aside from setting up concrete road blocks at large events.

Of course, at the same time solutions need to be found to the greater problem of why this is happening and how to stop it.

Bacchus · 07-04-2017 03:53PM

jacksie66 wrote: »

Did they conveniently find the attackers passport in the cab of the vehicle?
You know you can't commit a terrorist attack without your passport..

I'd hazard a guess that the passport is so that if the driver gets stopped for whatever reason that they can present their passport and hopefully be allowed to move along. Having no passport may lead to a more thorough questioning.

That's just my uninformed guess though.

Widdershins · 07-04-2017 03:54PM

Walter H Price wrote: »

Before people start the autistic screeching about mental illness please remember

Mental Illness is an affliction , Religion is a choice

RIP to those who have died , your government and euopean politics has let you down

Autistic people tend to be logical. The mental illness deflection excuse isn't logical.

The Backwards Man · 07-04-2017 03:57PM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Really, That's what sickens you? What is you think that they want? People discussing their attacks on an Internet forum?

Yep, terrorism sickens me to the pit of my stomach, the cowards that perpetrate it, and the cowards that are complicit in it getting the result that was desired. All extremists want the same things, fear, division and suspicion, matters not what 'side' they are on, it's all the one side when you boil it all down

Depp · 07-04-2017 03:58PM

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Yep, terrorism sickens me to the pit of my stomach, the cowards that perpetrate it, and the cowards that are complicit in it getting the result that was desired. All extremists want the same things, fear, division and suspicion, matters not what 'side' they are on, it's all the one side when you boil it all down

so what do you suggest? we ignore it?

m5ex9oqjawdg2i · 07-04-2017 03:58PM

Depp wrote: »

this x100, using mental illness as a scapegoat for these attacks is disgusting, and the irony of it usually coming from people that would call themselves ''progressives'' would be hilarious if it wasnt so sick

Has anybody said it's due to mental illness or have we just created that straw man?

Fcuk these guys, really. If this twat turns out to be on some watch list, I would be all in favor of moving these people being moved from a list and to a cell. I imagine there would be some innocents affected and that's not ideal. Apart from keeping them on the watch list, I don't know of another solution to protecting innocent people from injustices.

For those saying "They hate us and want to destroy us", that's true, for the minority of "them". Most want to live in peace.

conorhal · 07-04-2017 04:00PM

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Yep, terrorism sickens me to the pit of my stomach, the cowards that perpetrate it, and the cowards that are complicit in it getting the result that was desired. All extremists want the same things, fear, division and suspicion, matters not what 'side' they are on, it's all the one side when you boil it all down

It's the cowards unprepared to address, nay even mention, the root cause that stick in my craw.

Hank Scorpio · 07-04-2017 04:00PM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Really, That's what sickens you? What is you think that they want? People discussing their attacks on an Internet forum?

Liberalism is a mental disorder.

everlast75 · 07-04-2017 04:01PM

Kora Modern Pointlessly wrote: »

Has anybody said it's due to mental illness or have we just created that straw man?

Fcuk these guys, really. If this twat turns out to be on some watch list, I would be all in favor of moving these people being moved from a list and to a cell. I imagine there would be some innocents affected and that's not ideal. Apart from keeping them on the watch list, I don't know of another solution to protecting innocent people from injustices.

For those saying "They hate us and want to destroy us", that's true, for the minority of "them". Most want to live in peace.

I think you are contradicting yourself there to be fair

Depp · 07-04-2017 04:02PM

Kora Modern Pointlessly wrote: »

Has anybody said it's due to mental illness or have we just created that straw man?

Fcuk these guys, really. If this twat turns out to be on some watch list, I would be all in favor of moving these people being moved from a list and to a cell. I imagine there would be some innocents affected and that's not ideal. Apart from keeping them on the watch list, I don't know of another solution to protecting innocent people from injustices.

For those saying "They hate us and want to destroy us", that's true, for the minority of "them". Most want to live in peace.

nah just a preemptive post based off the london thread, agree with you 100% though this is not all muslims, islamism is not islam

Neon_Lights · 07-04-2017 04:03PM

Again Islamic people will be indemnified by Political Correctness....

The Backwards Man · 07-04-2017 04:03PM

Depp wrote: »

so what do you suggest? we ignore it?

No. We stand up to it. We don't give them what we want and we call out the pathetic snivelling little cowards that do for the terrorist supporters that they are.

Walter H Price · 07-04-2017 04:04PM

Widdershins wrote: »

Autistic people tend to be logical. The mental illness deflection excuse isn't logical.

completely agree illogical and offensive to people with actual mental illness

Depp · 07-04-2017 04:05PM

The Backwards Man wrote: »

No. We stand up to it. We don't give them what we want and we call out the pathetic snivelling little cowards that do for the terrorist supporters that they are.

in complete agreement there so!

Widdershins · 07-04-2017 04:06PM

Depp wrote: »

nah just a preemptive post based off the london thread, agree with you 100% though this is not all muslims, islamism is not islam

I agree. It would be nothing without Islam, though.

masculinist · 07-04-2017 04:07PM

Neon_Lights wrote: »

Again Islamic people will be indemnified by Political Correctness....

Depp wrote: »

nah just a preemptive post based off the london thread, agree with you 100% though this is not all muslims, islamism is not islam

Widdershins wrote: »

Autistic people tend to be logical. The mental illness deflection excuse isn't logical.

Kora Modern Pointlessly wrote: »

Has anybody said it's due to mental illness or have we just created that straw man?

Fcuk these guys, really. If this twat turns out to be on some watch list, I would be all in favor of moving these people being moved from a list and to a cell. I imagine there would be some innocents affected and that's not ideal. Apart from keeping them on the watch list, I don't know of another solution to protecting innocent people from injustices.

For those saying "They hate us and want to destroy us", that's true, for the minority of "them". Most want to live in peace.

I think the obvious compromise here is we lock up ''Hate Preachers'' indefinitely due to ''mental illness'' . Hate Preachers do exist. Either we call it out as ''real Islam'' or we just lock them up , pump them full of Thorazine anti psychotics and throw away the key. And let the moderates take over the Mosques. And keep that subroutine going.

The Backwards Man · 07-04-2017 04:07PM

conorhal wrote: »

It's the cowards unprepared to address, nay even mention, the root cause that stick in my craw.

The root cause of terrorism is the desire for power, always has been, always will be, everything else is secondary. The coward's way out is to only address the causes that suit them.

Neon_Lights · 07-04-2017 04:08PM

Widdershins wrote: »

I agree. It would be nothing without Islam, though.

Ah yeah a couple of pints and a few ham sandwiches might make them chill out a little

Depp · 07-04-2017 04:08PM

Widdershins wrote: »

I agree. It would be nothing without Islam, though.

agree with this but still not fair to tar an entire religion the majority of whom disagree with islamist ideals and the sections of the quran that empower them

Depp · 07-04-2017 04:09PM

masculinist wrote: »

I think the obvious compromise here is we lock up ''Hate Preachers'' indefinitely due to ''mental illness'' . Hate Preachers do exist. Either we call it out as ''real Islam'' or we just lock them up , pump them full of Thorazine anti psychotics and throw away the key. And let the moderates take over the Mosques. And keep that subroutine going.

lock them up definitely but not because they're mentally ill, lock them up cause they're scum.

ScumLord · 07-04-2017 04:10PM

Bacchus wrote: »

The are certainly things that can be done for this specific type attack. The problem is implementing a solution across enough vehicles that it actually makes a difference. Most fleets likely have GPS tracking so at least the potential refit effort could be low. What you need then is oversight of that data, sprinkle in some big data analytics and you'd get someway towards an early warning system. It would not be a trivial thing to implement and there's probably a load of red tape involved but in theory it would work. The other big problem is smaller companies that don't have fleet management solutions. How do you account for those.

I don't think you could have some sort of cut off in trucks. First of all unless there's some sort of grant companies won't put them in because it would be too expensive. After that traffic is just too erratic for a computer to know what's going on. If the truck stops for fuel, food, traffic jams, diversions, it could turn off the truck in the middle of rush hour traffic causing massive problems.

I don't see how anything can be done to stop a random person from hopping in a random truck and going on a rampage. Unless you introduce fingerprinting or something. But it's still a huge expense that companies may not be able to cover and if it's unreliable it could cause all sorts of problems for essentail services.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i · 07-04-2017 04:12PM

everlast75 wrote: »

I think you are contradicting yourself there to be fair

My knee jerk reaction is to lock up those on any watch lists. If that happens, innocent people will potentially be locked up too and I am not sure how to avoid that. Hope that's clearer now :P

Neon_Lights wrote: »

Again Islamic people will be indemnified by Political Correctness....

Why should islamic people suffer due to the actions of a few?

Dirty Dingus McGee · 07-04-2017 04:12PM

Biggest lickspittle on boardz wrote: »

"It should be reported on and then mentioned in bulletins. Nothing more. Obsessing over it, will not help the situation."

Good man. We should suppress the story as much as possible, the ignorant peasants have no right to know about current threats and very real ideological incompatibilities. Just like Cologne and Rotherham. Sure what's a few thousand rapes and murders when it comes to pretending all is rosy with the failed experiment of multiculturalism.

In fact, lets go a step further and prosecute anyone who tries to draw attention to these threats. 'Hate speech', we'll call it...

Way to miss the point and have a completely over the top reaction.

The more attention you give to attacks like this the more it encourages it.

It would be a reasonably sensible strategy and law enforcement don't tend to like too much publicity for this kind of reason.

Warning people that there is potential you could be plowed down by a truck isn't going to prevent it from happening.Any idiot could kill people in a large vehicle sadly nothing can really be done to prevent something like this.

Depp · 07-04-2017 04:15PM

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

Way to miss the point and have a completely over the top reaction.

The more attention you give to attacks like this the more it encourages it.

It would be a reasonably sensible strategy and law enforcement don't tend to like too much publicity for this kind of reason.

Warning people that there is potential you could be plowed down by a truck isn't going to prevent it from happening.Any idiot could kill people in a large vehicle sadly nothing can really be done to prevent something like this.

so whats your plan then? go about your day as normal and pretend nothing happened? ''dont mind the burning truck hanging out of a shop front or the blood stains lads paying attention to that is exactly what they want us to do!'' lunacy!

Il Fascista · 07-04-2017 04:16PM

Kora Modern Pointlessly wrote: »

My knee jerk reaction is to lock up those on any watch lists. If that happens, innocent people will potentially be locked up too and I am not sure how to avoid that. Hope that's clearer now :P

Why should islamic people suffer due to the actions of a few?

I hate collective guilt, but it's regularly something used against us. Have you not seen the posts telling us not to bomb them? Yeah I'm always going around dropping bombs in Syria.

Truck driven into crowd in Stockholm - No Speculation

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