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BE strike [Read 1st post before posting]

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  • #1892
    eeguy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,399 ✭✭✭eeguy


    tayto lover wrote: »
    Workers should fight for a better basic pay.
    Having to work overtime to boost your wages is not the way to go.

    Overtime is usually by choice. We could all do with some extra cash and overtime is a great way to get it.
    mikemac2 wrote: »
    I did google but didn't find anything which is not surprising I suppose

    If I am a SIPTU or NBRU member on the picket line how much do I get per day in strike pay?

    I'm know it's not much, just wondering really.

    It's been mentioned here a few times. 40 a day for SIPTU and 50 a day for NRBU I think.


  • #1893
    Hilly Bill
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,051 ✭✭✭Hilly Bill


    mikemac2 wrote: »
    I did google but didn't find anything which is not surprising I suppose

    If I am a SIPTU or NBRU member on the picket line how much do I get per day in strike pay?

    I'm know it's not much, just wondering really.

    40 by nbru 50 siptu.


  • #1894
    Hilly Bill
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,051 ✭✭✭Hilly Bill


    kiaronh wrote: »
    32k is the median wage for a full time worker in Ireland.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/super-rich-or-super-angry-where-are-you-on-ireland-s-income-pyramid-1.2104861?mode=amp

    It also seems to be close to the average earnings of a driver in the private sector.

    It's still poor.


  • #1895
    fxotoole
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,661 ✭✭✭fxotoole


    Hilly Bill wrote: »
    It's still poor.

    On the contrary, it's pretty good.

    And 30k is the lower end of the scale by all accounts.


  • #1896
    kiaronh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 276 ✭✭kiaronh


    Hilly Bill wrote: »
    It's still poor.

    What would you consider to be a reasonable wage? Either for a bus driver or in general?


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  • #1897
    Hilly Bill
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,051 ✭✭✭Hilly Bill


    kiaronh wrote: »
    What would you consider to be a reasonable wage? Either for a bus driver or in general?

    More than 32 grand a year gross before tax.


  • #1898
    kiaronh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 276 ✭✭kiaronh


    Hilly Bill wrote: »
    More than 32 grand a year gross before tax.

    How much more? 40k? 50k?

    Do you consider half the country to be underpaid?

    I'm not being facetious, just trying to understand why you think that 30k is poor. This is similar to a junior doctor or teacher in their first year.


  • #1899
    Cookie_Monster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,645 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    kiaronh wrote: »
    This is similar to a junior doctor or teacher in their first year.

    both of which are far higher skilled professions with much higher barriers of entry too!


  • #1900
    Trampas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,499 ✭✭✭Trampas


    Will tax saver ticket holders get an refund for strike days like when Dublin bus were on strike?


  • #1901
    L1011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,768 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Trampas wrote: »
    Will tax saver ticket holders get an refund for strike days like when Dublin bus were on strike?

    If there is anyone left to refund it. Unsecured creditor otherwise


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  • #1902
    Trampas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,499 ✭✭✭Trampas


    L1011 wrote: »
    If there is anyone left to refund it. Unsecured creditor otherwise

    Let's assume the company survives and that you pay each month.


  • #1903
    Hilly Bill
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,051 ✭✭✭Hilly Bill


    Trampas wrote: »
    Will tax saver ticket holders get an refund for strike days like when Dublin bus were on strike?

    Yes,


  • #1904
    Voipjunkie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,062 ✭✭✭Voipjunkie


    Hilly Bill wrote: »
    kiaronh wrote: »
    Basic pay is around 32k. With shift pay and overtime the average is 47k. Some earn over 60k.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/bus-%C3%A9ireann-proposes-route-closures-sharp-cuts-to-staff-earnings-1.2982036?mode=amp

    The basic pay is shocking unless it's the net pay without the expenses, but did they settle for the expenses instead of seeking a better basic?


    Basic pay has been kept low, as it suits the company as pensions are based on basic, so don't include shift even though the employee would have been paid shift allowance everyday of their employment, unions have been shortsighted and ignored the pension issue, so allowed these payments to be outside of basic pay because it increased take home by keeping employees own pension contribution lower.

    I don't think it ever dawned on them that we could arrive at a day where their employer would be attempting to cut their members wages and that the smokescreen about protecting "basic" pay would be rolled out.


  • #1905
    Hilly Bill
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,051 ✭✭✭Hilly Bill


    kiaronh wrote: »
    How much more? 40k? 50k?

    Do you consider half the country to be underpaid?

    I'm not being facetious, just trying to understand why you think that 30k is poor. This is similar to a junior doctor or teacher in their first year.
    Should be in around 40 but do away with some of the expenses.


  • #1906
    L1011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,768 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Trampas wrote: »
    Let's assume the company survives and that you pay each month.

    You'll get a refund in that scenario.


  • #1907
    eeguy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,399 ✭✭✭eeguy


    Hilly Bill wrote: »
    Should be in around 40 but do away with some of the expenses.

    So you think BE drivers are paid too low as they come out with 48k average after basic + allowances. You want to increase their basic to 40 and do away with allowances. Won't that make them worse off?


  • #1908
    sjb25
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,417 ✭✭✭sjb25


    Hilly Bill wrote: »
    40 by nbru 50 siptu.

    Do they get 7 days or 5days worth strike pay either way I'd be hopping back into my bus soon I couldn't afford to be only getting that amount anyway


  • #1909
    GM228
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,917 ✭✭✭GM228


    sjb25 wrote: »
    Do they get 7 days or 5days worth strike pay either way I'd be hopping back into my bus soon I couldn't afford to be only getting that amount anyway

    5 days.


  • #1910
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,229 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    They'll get a refund of their bus ticket for the number of days affected.

    Which will not cover the cost of whatever alternative means of transport they've had to take since the strike started
    i.e. Irish Rail
    Taxis
    Private car


  • #1911
    Strong Life in Dublin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 487 ✭✭Strong Life in Dublin


    Hilly Bill wrote: »
    Should be in around 40 but do away with some of the expenses.

    40k for a bus driver? Jesus people with 4 year degrees would be lucky to be getting that


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  • #1912
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,160 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Strong Life in Dublin wrote: »
    40k for a bus driver? Jesus people with 4 year degrees would be lucky to be getting that
    Yeah but apparently it's their problem according to some on here. :rolleyes:


  • #1913
    kiaronh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 276 ✭✭kiaronh


    Karsini wrote: »
    Yeah but apparently it's their problem according to some on here. :rolleyes:

    Even with the new BE pay cuts the average driver would still be earning about 42k.

    Of course the drivers have a right to push for the best deal possible. What I don't get though if people acting like 40k is the bare minimum anyone should earn, when this puts you somewhere around the top 1/3rd of earnings in Ireland.

    When the going rate for a driver in the private sector is a good bit lower, they should probably be a bit more careful about pushing the company to the brink of insolvency. If BE did go under they would struggle to get anything like their current wages.


  • #1914
    sjb25
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,417 ✭✭✭sjb25


    GM228 wrote: »
    5 days.

    Jesus I couldn't afford to be on strike for long on that kind of money anyway


  • #1915
    Hilly Bill
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,051 ✭✭✭Hilly Bill


    eeguy wrote: »
    So you think BE drivers are paid too low as they come out with 48k average after basic + allowances. You want to increase their basic to 40 and do away with allowances. Won't that make them worse off?
    Just basic that's low. Of course you would be worse off if your expenses gets cut but it's always in danger of being cut at some stage if finances drop.


  • #1916
    Hilly Bill
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,051 ✭✭✭Hilly Bill


    Strong Life in Dublin wrote: »
    40k for a bus driver? Jesus people with 4 year degrees would be lucky to be getting that

    Better choose a different career path so if all those years of studying only gets you a low paid job. I'm on more and I've never been to college.


  • #1917
    bk
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,559 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    Hilly Bill wrote: »
    Better choose a different career path so if all those years of studying only gets you a low paid job. I'm on more and I've never been to college.

    Since when is earning more then at least 50% of the people in Ireland a low paid job!


  • #1918
    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,108 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    sjb25 wrote: »
    Jesus I couldn't afford to be on strike for long on that kind of money anyway

    I think that reality will eventually end the strike


  • #1919
    MOH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,472 ✭✭✭MOH


    bk wrote: »
    Since when is earning more then at least 50% of the people in Ireland a low paid job!

    Since people lost the ability to apply logic to any discussion


  • #1920
    n97 mini
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,991 ✭✭✭n97 mini


    Hilly Bill wrote: »
    Better choose a different career path so if all those years of studying only gets you a low paid job. I'm on more and I've never been to college.

    Conversely, if you've been to college, got several professional qualifications, and then spent 28 years in several large companies performing various roles like Chief Financial Officer, Financial Controller and CEO, you'd expect to be paid the going rate, commensurate with your qualifications and experience.


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  • #1921
    blackwhite
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,651 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    bk wrote: »
    Since when is earning more then at least 50% of the people in Ireland a low paid job!

    When you go on strike looking for more!


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