Clare GAA discussion thread

windy shepard henderson · 30-03-2017 11:08PM

LuckyGent88 wrote: »

Thought Gleeson should have got a second yellow for a chop on fitzgeralds hand just after he passed the ball off. Think it's just before Daniels got a yellow for what I thought was a harmless foul.

Move on now anyway but I'd hope for better refereeing going forward.

not that it makes a difference now but i agree , at the time i felt the same , it probably highlights one of the only weakness in aussies game , his temperament , we were on top of waterford at the time and he had been carded a few minutes earlier ,

it would have been interesting to see would waterford have came back into the game with 14 men , i think the way they set up in the middle 3rd for the last 20 minutes after tom devines inclusion it may not have mattered

mountgomery burns · 30-03-2017 11:22PM

I remember hearing it in commentary that Maloney wasn't happy, but think the cameras missed it? Was genuinely wondering rather than questioning.

Ye played some nice hurling on Sunday, probably unlucky to lose. That was some score Bobby Duggan got when he came on and shows that ye have options if ye can put it all together. Big test for Clare is the defense this year and it failed at the weekend. Half backline named before didn't inspire confidence, something more will need to be found there I feel. Think though with the Munster draw and the right management team involved ye have a chnace to have a good championship. If ye beat Limerick, only 2 Munster finalists in the last 10 years have failed to make the all ireland semi finals so that would in theory give ye a good chance of progressing much further than ye have since 2013.

danganabu · 30-03-2017 11:36PM

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

not that it makes a difference now but i agree , at the time i felt the same , it probably highlights one of the only weakness in aussies game , his temperament

And the poor decision making and incredible number of wides??

windy shepard henderson · 31-03-2017 02:14AM

danganabu wrote: »

And the poor decision making and incredible number of wides??

Don't worry I wasn't using it as an excuse. Waterford fully deserved there win especially on there 2nd half display.

mountgomery burns · 31-03-2017 08:16AM

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

Don't worry I wasn't using it as an excuse. Waterford fully deserved there win especially on there 2nd half display.

Think he was criticizing Gleeson there, not Clare.

letowski · 31-03-2017 09:26AM

mountgomery burns wrote:

Ye played some nice hurling on Sunday, probably unlucky to lose. That was some score Bobby Duggan got when he came on and shows that ye have options if ye can put it all together. Big test for Clare is the defense this year and it failed at the weekend. Half backline named before didn't inspire confidence, something more will need to be found there I feel. Think though with the Munster draw and the right management team involved ye have a chnace to have a good championship. If ye beat Limerick, only 2 Munster finalists in the last 10 years have failed to make the all ireland semi finals so that would in theory give ye a good chance of progressing much further than ye have since 2013.

I think the issue i feel is more pressing, is our capacity to perform in that 50 to 65th minute when the physicality and intensity is raised. When looking over the last few years and espeically against ye and Galway last year, we just got blown out of it at this period. As you said, we can play a nice brand of hurling, picking the likes of Kelly, Reidy, Podge, Galvin, etc around midfield/half forward but none of those are going to dog it out and win tough ball the way Brick, Moran, Devine, Bennett did for ye on Sunday. Unless Clare can prove they can go toe to toe with one of the top 4 for 70mins and not get comfortably beaten for a finish, Im not sure were genuine contenders just yet. We wouldnt have been able to live with the intensity the semi last year were played at to be frank. I think things might change this year, at least Donal and Gerry are trying to fix the issue picking the likes of Malone and Shanahan.

windy shepard henderson · 31-03-2017 10:38AM

Yeah my mistake . Gleason has had a habit of being wasteful but he had been given license to almost do what he wants under McGrath

danganabu · 31-03-2017 11:54AM

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

Yeah my mistake . Gleason has had a habit of being wasteful but he had been given license to almost do what he wants under McGrath

Agreed and I think in the long run it will be detrimental to Gleeson, he needs some continuity, be it at centre back, midfield or centre forward, there is a real danger of him becoming a jack of all trades and master of none.

Twiceasnice97 · 31-03-2017 07:00PM

mountgomery burns wrote: »

I knew you'd react, unbiased as ever I see

are you off your head?

do you seriously think any decent clareman would fail to react to that year?

Waterford were used by the munster council to get at loughnane by suspending a player.
That incident has nothing whatsoever to do with lynch being suspended.
It was a later incident between browne and lynch that Dickie murphy saw and reported to barrett advising him to book both of them which he did and which was put in the refs report. There is no video evidence of the incident. the evidence which was accepted was from a tipp man on the munster council who was sitting in the vip seats and had no role on the day and that was deemed to be have more weight than the ref and his linesman two of the strongest refs in the country at the time
loughnane published the report in his book. I met barrett , ironically in Dungarvan, and he reckoned the worst mistake he ever made in his refereeing career was allowing a busybody from the munster council to delay the throw in that day trying to get him to make loughnane and mac along with McCarthy and ahearne to sit down while behind his back the players got stuck into each other all over the field.

Twiceasnice97 · 31-03-2017 07:09PM

the clare defence isn't the real problem when it comes to stopping opponents scoring. Our half forward line and midfield are playing way too deep which is taking pressure off opposition defenders clearing the ball and is forcing us to run the ball out of defence.
This is not what the management want at all.

Aaron Cunningham came on instead of ian galvin last week and his first action was to turn up at left corner back trying to block someone down ffs.
I started watching him a bit after that to see how he was ending up back so far.
at one stage Waterford had a sideline cut about 50 from our goals on the stand side. he was standing between the two seventys towards the covered terrace with no one paying any attention to him and a space of about 50 yards in front of him totally empty.
if he had simply walked out to the sideline onto waterfords 70 he would have been in a massive amount of space
instead he ran back to about 35 yards out from our goals .
It was bananas to watch a forward run away from space near the opposition goals while unmarked into space in our defence when he wasn't picking up anyone at all.
if he stayed there and we won the ball he would have been in a position to take a free strike from 50 yards out off his strong side and maybe even in a position to go all the way as none of the Waterford half back line would be catching Cunningham with a head start

I am not picking on Cunningham as they are all doing it.

Podge is getting great praise and he is hurling well but if he turns up looking for a handpass off the full back line moloney or o connor should meet him with a sally rod and beat him back over the half way line

LuckyGent88 · 31-03-2017 09:30PM

Twiceasnice97 wrote: »

the clare defence isn't the real problem when it comes to stopping opponents scoring. Our half forward line and midfield are playing way too deep which is taking pressure off opposition defenders clearing the ball and is forcing us to run the ball out of defence.
This is not what the management want at all.

Aaron Cunningham came on instead of ian galvin last week and his first action was to turn up at left corner back trying to block someone down ffs.
I started watching him a bit after that to see how he was ending up back so far.
at one stage Waterford had a sideline cut about 50 from our goals on the stand side. he was standing between the two seventys towards the covered terrace with no one paying any attention to him and a space of about 50 yards in front of him totally empty.
if he had simply walked out to the sideline onto waterfords 70 he would have been in a massive amount of space
instead he ran back to about 35 yards out from our goals .
It was bananas to watch a forward run away from space near the opposition goals while unmarked into space in our defence when he wasn't picking up anyone at all.
if he stayed there and we won the ball he would have been in a position to take a free strike from 50 yards out off his strong side and maybe even in a position to go all the way as none of the Waterford half back line would be catching Cunningham with a head start

I am not picking on Cunningham as they are all doing it.

Podge is getting great praise and he is hurling well but if he turns up looking for a handpass off the full back line moloney or o connor should meet him with a sally rod and beat him back over the half way line

Ah, Ian Galvin started the game!!!

Don't really have a major issue with someone tracking back to try out a block in but once the ball is cleared he should be bursting to get back up the field into the forward line.

Anyway, team named for Sunday with two changes. Reidy in for Galvin the forwards and bugler in for McCarthy at wing back.

Not really sure about those choices. Not sure what Malone has done to justify his place. Harsh on McCarthy and Galvin. Mightn't have had there best games but they had played the day before in u21 championship too.

Hopefully we are able to get the win anyway. Doesn't matter too much on performance to me but staying in division one is critical.

Clareman · 31-03-2017 09:32PM

I don't know the game Clare are trying to play, it's like we're trying to pack the backs and push the full forwards as far forward as possible with the hope of having players flood forward trying to overrun the opposition

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windy shepard henderson · 31-03-2017 10:41PM

impressive last week in kildare abysmal the week before in fermanagh the footballers will need a win to assure themselves of division 2 football next year , team is pretty much unchanged from last week

home advantage has been kind to most teams in this division and after two big wins over down and cork i would be very hopeful of our chances here against a meath side chasing promotion , we could be our selves had our away form been better ,but given the fact we spent most of the campaign with out one or two of our best players consolidation is nothing to be sniffed at either

https://twitter.com/Clare_Football/status/847895281236664322

windy shepard henderson · 31-03-2017 10:47PM

Barbie!sBitch wrote: »

I don't know the game Clare are trying to play, it's like we're trying to pack the backs and push the full forwards as far forward as possible with the hope of having players flood forward trying to overrun the opposition

i imagine its because we got out muscled against waterford last week , especially in the middle 3rd in the second half ,

dublin are a big side too and in truth caused us all sorts of problems last time here , we need ball winners so buglers inclusion is probably needed , jason and ian are young lads learning at this level , we need more experienced lads starting sunday given the cuala lads will be back for dublin

letowski · 31-03-2017 11:23PM

Looks like Kelly at mf is set in stone for the summer. The thing is, Reidy moving into that roaming corner forward role isnt his best position, its mf too. Hopefully he can prove me wrong though.

mountgomery burns · 31-03-2017 11:44PM

Twiceasnice97 wrote: »

are you off your head?

do you seriously think any decent clareman would fail to react to that year?

Waterford were used by the munster council to get at loughnane by suspending a player.
That incident has nothing whatsoever to do with lynch being suspended.
It was a later incident between browne and lynch that Dickie murphy saw and reported to barrett advising him to book both of them which he did and which was put in the refs report. There is no video evidence of the incident. the evidence which was accepted was from a tipp man on the munster council who was sitting in the vip seats and had no role on the day and that was deemed to be have more weight than the ref and his linesman two of the strongest refs in the country at the time
loughnane published the report in his book. I met barrett , ironically in Dungarvan, and he reckoned the worst mistake he ever made in his refereeing career was allowing a busybody from the munster council to delay the throw in that day trying to get him to make loughnane and mac along with McCarthy and ahearne to sit down while behind his back the players got stuck into each other all over the field.

To be honest, I think most people would take a tongue in cheek remark about an event nigh on 20 years ago with a pinch of salt. By the way, he was the only one that took the bait so not sure what point you are trying to make?

As for your rant, well I can understand the issues with that. But for what he did at the throw in, he deserved a lengthy ban even if it came about in the wrong manner. I'll say no more.

Clareman · 01-04-2017 12:34PM

mountgomery burns wrote: »

As for your rant, well I can understand the issues with that. But for what he did at the throw in, he deserved a lengthy ban even if it came about in the wrong manner. I'll say no more.

If you can tell me what action he took at the throw in that warranted a lengthy ban I'd really appreciate it. First "belt" on Browne was a result of Browne stepping in between Lynch and the ball, using your body to block an opponent is technically a foul so that's a free for Clare. Next "belt" was against Baker which might have missed, but not a foul. The third "belt" was against Quelly and was given as a foul by the ref, as the ref has actioned the third act it couldn't result in further action.

I don't think anyone in Clare would say that Lynch didn't deserve to be suspended for his actions that day, but the throw in wasn't the problem and wasn't what he was suspended for, he was suspended for something that there wasn't any proof against.

Figerty · 01-04-2017 08:54PM

Barbie!sBitch wrote: »

If you can tell me what action he took at the throw in that warranted a lengthy ban I'd really appreciate it. First "belt" on Browne was a result of Browne stepping in between Lynch and the ball, using your body to block an opponent is technically a foul so that's a free for Clare. Next "belt" was against Baker which might have missed, but not a foul. The third "belt" was against Quelly and was given as a foul by the ref, as the ref has actioned the third act it couldn't result in further action.

I don't think anyone in Clare would say that Lynch didn't deserve to be suspended for his actions that day, but the throw in wasn't the problem and wasn't what he was suspended for, he was suspended for something that there wasn't any proof against.

And was cleared later in an independent review in the depths of the following winter.
Tony Browne to his credit played a stormer the following week. All history now.

Kristopherus · 02-04-2017 03:43PM

Footballers escape by a whisker, thankfully:)

windy shepard henderson · 02-04-2017 03:47PM

Kristopherus wrote: »

Footballers escape by a whisker, thankfully:)

Very poor performance today but thankfully had enough done . Brennan a huge loss . Great performance in the second by Meath they probably deserved better from there Campaign unlucky not to go up .

Let's hope the Hurlers can avoid the drop now . Don't fancy a trip to ballycastle next year

letowski · 02-04-2017 03:53PM

Congrats overall to the footballers, the main thing was always about staying up. It will have great long term benefits in terms of exposure to a higher level.

Malone dropped for the hurlers, interesting call, if maybe a little worrying in terms of the direction the management are taking. We will see I suppose. 4 midfielders starting.

Edit: Deasy benches so hopefully we see him.

Kristopherus · 02-04-2017 05:33PM

Hon the Banner:). Still in the top tier:).

windy shepard henderson · 02-04-2017 06:28PM

Kristopherus wrote: »

Hon the Banner:). Still in the top tier:).

Second half performance much better then the first .Kelly's goal worth the admission fee alone . Still an awful lot to work on before the limerick game but for a team in transition it was huge avoiding the drop

LuckyGent88 · 02-04-2017 07:57PM

Good win today for the hurlers. Vital we kept in division 1a.

Once again, we played in burts. Really need to keep our intensity and performance up for longer. Biggest issue for me today was probably the full forward line. Just didn't get enough out of it.

Good to see Conlon put in a big performance and that was more like it from Dillon too. Thought he was brilliant. Tony Kelly was at his best and that point from the sideline was pure class. Galvin was very good too.

Plenty to improve upon and a few places still up for grabs. Roll on championship.

letowski · 02-04-2017 08:12PM

Seadna Morey's performance was a worry today. He was excellent up to today but if he was to mark a Bubbles or Mannion, Im not sure is he going to be sound enough defensively. O'Brien's injury is such a tough one for us and also becuase it means that David Mc is probably going to play in the full back line, where his attacking game is restrained.

Its good that we stayed up though. While there's alot of competition for places, there's a feel that the team is unsettled. I think most can pick 12/13 of the starters but where we play them is tricky.

I feel June 4th will be..

Fahey
Dmac Dillon POC
McCarthy/Bugs Cleary Fitz
Galvin Kelly
Conlon Podge Malone
Reidy
Shanagher McGrath

One of the corners may switch to full back.

windy shepard henderson · 02-04-2017 08:51PM

if one thing impressed me today was the fact the game plan looks to be there to facilitate kelly ,galvin ,podge and reidy , 4 small players who often got muccled out of it in the past held there own today and gave the run around to the dublin defense , they were pretty much playing midfield roles or roaming roles , if the inside forward line had a better day we would have won far more comfortably

if we do opt for these 4 to start come june we will have to be sharper then we were today in the breaking ball situations albeit we were better in that area then against waterford

fahey is crucial to this , his long puck out can bypass the half forward line bringing shanagher in as a ball winner inside and taking all the pressure of conlon , i wouldnt say malone is nailed on either to start as pace lets him down at times too but at least there are several options there now

Clareman · 02-04-2017 08:56PM

Well that's the leagues over for another year, first the footballers. Staying up was always the focus and they achieved this, even if just on scoring differences, big bonus that some new players got valuable game time.
The hurlers stayed up and had some mixed performances, now they have a 2 month break to focus on the main event of the summer.

windy shepard henderson · 02-04-2017 09:35PM

Barbie!sBitch wrote: »

Well that's the leagues over for another year, first the footballers. Staying up was always the focus and they achieved this, even if just on scoring differences, big bonus that some new players got valuable game time.
The hurlers stayed up and had some mixed performances, now they have a 2 month break to focus on the main event of the summer.

yes its great that we stayed up in the football , at one stage we were -18 which is shocking considering we started the day on 0 in the scoring average stakes , meath looked very good in the 3 quarter to be fair to them had a nervous few minutes at the end scrolling through the cork twitter page waiting for a final score

hurlers look like they are getting it together , they are playing a fairly positive open brand of hurling which will stand to them come championship , a number of the panel are coming back from injury or club commitments so there is another gear in us yet

the main positive is the squad development , one thing we look miles ahead of from fitz's time in charge , we will have a strong bench for the limerick game whoever starts

claresmurf · 03-04-2017 12:57PM

letowski wrote: »

Seadna Morey's performance was a worry today. He was excellent up to today but if he was to mark a Bubbles or Mannion, Im not sure is he going to be sound enough defensively. O'Brien's injury is such a tough one for us and also becuase it means that David Mc is probably going to play in the full back line, where his attacking game is restrained.

Its good that we stayed up though. While there's alot of competition for places, there's a feel that the team is unsettled. I think most can pick 12/13 of the starters but where we play them is tricky.

I feel June 4th will be..

Fahey
Dmac Dillon POC
McCarthy/Bugs Cleary Fitz
Galvin Kelly
Conlon Podge Malone
Reidy
Shanagher McGrath

One of the corners may switch to full back.

I think Seadna has done plenty to earn his place on the team for June.

Keano · 03-04-2017 02:01PM

Need Seadna in there for the bit of pace. Our backs aren't exactly blessed with speed

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