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Annoying Punditisms

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  • Registered Users Posts: 739 ✭✭✭blackvalley


    This mainly applies to soccer, Gaelic football, and hurling but why do commentators feel the need to refer to a race for possession between two players as a “foot race “. Rugby commentators occasionally use the same expression but as we know rugby players seldom actually run , they simply " pump the legs "
    Do they feel the need to describe the contest in this manner just in case we assume they are engaged in a bicycle race, flying race, swimming race, cross country skiing race etc. :confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,080 ✭✭✭✭Maximus Alexander




  • Registered Users Posts: 118 ✭✭Liam28


    I will have to give honourable to Raymond Houghton for mangling grammar.

    Especially the tenses.

    Listen carefully next time he is co commentator, gets-every-one -of -them -wrong.

    Hyphens for emphasis only :D

    Aaarrggghh! Muppet on RTE rugby show The Clubhouse is at it too:
    To John Hayes: "You make your Ireland debut at the age of 26"
    No he does not, it's years ago, it's history, he made his debut.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,713 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    Liam28 wrote: »
    Aaarrggghh! Muppet on RTE rugby show The Clubhouse is at it too:
    To John Hayes: "You make your Ireland debut at the age of 26"
    No he does not, it's years ago, it's history, he made his debut.

    Actually, using present tense to describe past events is pretty common in narratives. The idea is that it makes the story more immediate and brings the listener closer to the event.

    Think of a comedian saying 'So I'm walking down the street and this guy comes up to me...'


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,959 ✭✭✭diusmr8a504cvk


    osarusan wrote: »
    "I've seen them given"...you coward.
    That's actually one of my favourites!
    seamus wrote: »
    Insanely pointless or specific statistics. Paul Collins on Today FM this morning;

    "It's the first time in 21 years the green and gold have beaten Cork in the finals"

    "At the under-21 level"

    "On Cork soil"

    That's not even remotely amazing. It seems like every victory needs to have some kind of "historic" statistic pinned to it to make it seem like more than it is.
    Reminds me, recently the Limerick Footballers played a league game on the UL astro and the Limerick GAA Facebook Page described it as historic for being the first National League game on Astroturf.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,407 ✭✭✭✭Collie D


    "Team X haven't beaten Team Y in 78 years"...partly because they've been in different divisions for 76 of the intervening years.

    Paul Merson being unable to pronounce any name containing more than one syllable.

    "These magnificent warriors triumphantly marching out to battle" or pretty much any other hyperbolic metaphorical ****e that Ryle Nugent comes out with.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,616 ✭✭✭milltown


    Tsipras wrote: »
    Worst punditism - "he has to improve to get to the level of the Ronaldos of this world" instead of  "he has to improve to get to the level of Ronaldo"

    Ahem...

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,969 ✭✭✭✭alchemist33


    Tsipras wrote: »
    Worst punditism - "he has to improve to get to the level of the Ronaldos of this world" instead of  "he has to improve to get to the level of Ronaldo"

    Except in this example, there are 2 Ronaldos!

    Edit: too late!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,716 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    Uncle_moe wrote: »
    Jamie Redknapp has a particular problem with the word 'literally'

    "He’s literally turned him inside out."
    “He had to cut back inside onto his left, because he literally hasn’t got a right foot”
    “[Michael Owen] literally turns into a greyhound”
    Top, top punditry Jamie.

    What about his all time best - "Gareth Bale literally has three lungs."


  • Registered Users Posts: 11 fdsfdsahhertdd


    Liam28 wrote: »
    Jeff, for me, to be fair, at the end of the day, obviously, doyouknowwhatImean?

    Thanks for reminding me.
    This isn't really a punditism - just a speech tic which can even be heard from elected representatives.

    I really hate "Do you know what I mean?" and "You know?" used as punctuation or gap-fillers. Um and Ah were invented to do that job. They fill the gap and are far less annoying.

    I have tried answering "yes/sure/yeah" but that just invites more of the same question. I've tried "no! / gowayyy! / you're kiddin!" but that is like quenching a fire with petrol.

    My next plan is to reply "No, I didn't" or "Explain that again?" every time the speaker asks the question.

    Needless to say - don't do this to your friends.
    Do you know what I mean like?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 118 ✭✭Liam28


    osarusan wrote: »
    Actually, using present tense to describe past events is pretty common in narratives. The idea is that it makes the story more immediate and brings the listener closer to the event.

    Think of a comedian saying 'So I'm walking down the street and this guy comes up to me...'

    Yes, spot on. Meant to sound more current and immediate and edgy. Used in news and history and Americanism as well as punditry.
    "Man dies in car crash" - Not so bad, it happened recently.
    "King Henry invades France" - WTF? Is he still doing this today?
    "You make your Ireland debut in 2000" Fail. One off event 17 years ago. Sounds like a knob.
    Annoying Punditism, for me, Jeff, at the end of the day.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    Liam28 wrote: »
    Pundit: He has done well, for me, then, Rooney.
    Correct: I think Rooney did well.
    Use of th term 'for me' e.g. 'for me he is the best player on the field'. It should be ' in my opinion he is the best player on the field'.

    It grinds my gears every time i hear it.


    Infuriates me. It makes me want to hurt people.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,987 ✭✭✭Kerrigooney


    Omackeral wrote: »
    Infuriates me. It makes me want to hurt people.

    I first noticed Glenn Hoddle using it constantly and now it seems like every flute is using it. Drives me mental as well.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,631 ✭✭✭Dirty Dingus McGee


    In American Sport the way the broadcasters refer to a current coach or former coach as "Coach".Unless he is your coach or has coached you in the past it's downright stupid to refer to them as Coach.

    It's basically like calling any man who has children Dad.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11 fdsfdsahhertdd


    ... and now it seems like every flute is using it. Drives me mental as well ...

    Haven't heard that word, in that context, since 1979.
    It's classier than DickHe*d, W*nker, GobSh*te or ... other things.

    We should bring back the flutes :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,863 ✭✭✭Captain_Crash


    when the same player scores all the goals in a game

    "Valencia nil - CRISTIANO RONALDO 2!!!!!!!!!"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,366 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    The word "GUILE"....

    You will NEVER see or hear of this word....ever, except when it comes to RTÉ pundits talking shïte about soccer. Giles, Dunphy, Brady and now Richie Sadlier is at it.

    F*cking guile.

    Guile was a character on Streetfighter 2.
    The
    Only other time it's used outside of soccer.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,366 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    Look, it bugs the ****e out of me when every answer has to start with "Look, ..."

    Definitely would strongly advise you against spending any significant amount of time with Davy Fitz


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,045 ✭✭✭✭gramar


    It's been well documented....


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,863 ✭✭✭Captain_Crash


    Another one that gets me, often said about stadiums "steeped in tradition"


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,748 ✭✭✭✭Lovely Bloke


    Commentators using players nicknames instead of their actual names, rearing it's head all morning with Colm Cooper retiring.

    The fúcking GOOCH. Then using the nickname along with the whole name Colm Gooch Cooper.

    Fúck off.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,535 ✭✭✭valoren


    Honesty of effort.

    Coupled with 'covering every blade of grass'.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,307 ✭✭✭tanko


    The "hungriest" team always wins in GAA matches, never happens in other sports though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,197 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    tanko wrote: »
    The "hungriest" team always wins in GAA matches, never happens in other sports though.

    :eek: It happens in every sport: They were hungrier! They wanted it more!

    Bull****.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,646 ✭✭✭washman3


    "whatever was said in the dressing room at half time worked"

    This line is very often spewed out when a team comes from behind to win.
    Utter bulls###e naturally.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,863 ✭✭✭Captain_Crash


    washman3 wrote: »
    "whatever was said in the dressing room at half time worked"

    This line is very often spewed out when a team comes from behind to win.
    Utter bulls###e naturally.

    I have to comment on this one, as someone who was in this situation only this weekend. Being a supposedly insurmountable score behind at half time, words from our captain and a couple of players inspired us to fight even harder in the 2nd half, and we came back to win with a score with the last play of the game... it was really a case of "what was said at half time worked"

    Although I agree its used too much, its not total bull


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,960 ✭✭✭Dr Crayfish


    My real hate is needless nonsensical Pluralising which makes no sense, for example:

    "You wouldn't get that from your Mayos or Dublins, your Ronaldos or Rooneys, your Englands or Germanys, your Shefflins or Corbetts, your McGeadys or Bradys ... ".
    You get the idea.

    God I hate that too so much. Or when they say things like, "When you get balls into the box like that you need a Niall Quinn or a Shane Long at the end of it". ffs, Kevin Kilbane is guilty of this all the time for one.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,394 ✭✭✭Pac1Man


    The pluralising is a bit odd since it only seems to happen in punditry and doesn't filter into everyday life.

    The phrase does make sense though.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,520 ✭✭✭learn_more


    I don't mean the usual Clichés like 'Game of two halves" or 'Shot on target' or 'gave 110 percent', etc. At least they add something to the point being made.

    My real hate is needless nonsensical Pluralising which makes no sense, for example:

    "You wouldn't get that from your Mayos or Dublins, your Ronaldos or Rooneys, your Englands or Germanys, your Shefflins or Corbetts, your McGeadys or Bradys ... ".
    You get the idea.

    In Snooker Wille Thorne does that at least once every tournament..." ..the Higgins's, the Davis's, the Hendry's, the fdsfdsahhertdd's...of this world...". Well it accidentally makes sense for Higgins as their was Alex and Stephen and John. Still very irritating though.

    Also when two two heavyweights in their respective sports meet it's always a 'clash'.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,119 ✭✭✭EchoIndia


    Why is every weekend apparently going to be "a great weekend of sport" or "one of the most important weekends in the sporting calendar"?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 692 ✭✭✭CUCINA


    ...and it seems now that a soccer player doesn't kick the ball anymore, instead, he "wraps his foot around it".

    As for "hitting the back of the net", surely you can only do that by going BEHIND the goal?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,570 ✭✭✭Ulysses Gaze


    When a player returns from injury the player is described as "like a new signing."

    F!ck off!


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 12,507 Mod ✭✭✭✭byhookorbycrook


    "Mouth watering fixture"

    "Possession is vital" No sh*t, Sherlock

    "S/he won't want to miss this score" No sh*t part 2


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,775 ✭✭✭✭Gbear


    Uncle_moe wrote: »
    Jamie Redknapp has a particular problem with the word 'literally'

    "He’s literally turned him inside out."
    “He had to cut back inside onto his left, because he literally hasn’t got a right footâ€
    “[Michael Owen] literally turns into a greyhoundâ€
    Top, top punditry Jamie.

    I was watching the 2012 Euros at a friend's house and Jamie said

    "He was literally..."

    and I was thinking "Here we go! What'll it be?!"

    "...literally, up his backside"

    and we all just jumped into the air and cheered.
    It was a great moment.
    Korvanica wrote: »
    "You couldn’t write a script like this"

    **** off.

    Like the fabled 6-pointer, people also take this too, umm, literally.

    It doesn't mean that it's not feasible to come up with such a plot, but that it's so cliché you couldn't get away with writing it.


    Also, my character set appears to have gone tits upé.
    Fix it boards.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,939 ✭✭✭maxwell smart


    He has pace to burn.

    Pace by the bucketload.

    His first 5 yards are so quick (hope he doesn't have to run 10 yards).

    He won't like looking at that on the replay.

    He's really putting in a shift (usually as his contract is up for renewal - see Yaya Toure and Emmanual Adebayor for reference)


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,960 ✭✭✭Dr Crayfish


    Sorry if this has been said already, but Jim Beglin is guilty of this all the time

    "It was always going wide"
    "It was always going over"
    "He was always winning that tackle"

    Wrecks my head!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,646 ✭✭✭washman3


    I have to comment on this one, as someone who was in this situation only this weekend. Being a supposedly insurmountable score behind at half time, words from our captain and a couple of players inspired us to fight even harder in the 2nd half, and we came back to win with a score with the last play of the game... it was really a case of "what was said at half time worked"

    Although I agree its used too much, its not total bull

    Again a say total bulls###e.
    So why didn't the captain and the couple of players say those 'inspiring words' before the game started and your team would never have been in that position in the first place.?

    On the other hand, we often hear that the losing team had a 'massive bust-up' in the dressing room at half-time.
    Maybe that's what happened to your opposition last weekend...;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,646 ✭✭✭washman3


    Another Jim Beglin classic, 'the referee is a homer'

    Could be translated to a few different meanings...


  • Registered Users Posts: 224 ✭✭Two Tone from Limehouse


    " you can forget your soccer....hurling is the greatest game in earth" . Or words to that effect from Cyril ****ing Farrell


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,716 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    EchoIndia wrote: »
    Why is every weekend apparently going to be "a great weekend of sport" or "one of the most important weekends in the sporting calendar"?

    Because they want you to watch it.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 224 ✭✭Two Tone from Limehouse


    seamus wrote: »
    Insanely pointless or specific statistics. Paul Collins on Today FM this morning;

    "It's the first time in 21 years the green and gold have beaten Cork in the finals"

    "At the under-21 level"

    "On Cork soil"

    That's not even remotely amazing. It seems like every victory needs to have some kind of "historic" statistic pinned to it to make it seem like more than it is.

    I can't listen to that dope Collins


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 12,507 Mod ✭✭✭✭byhookorbycrook


    Two ones that seem to be Marty Morrissey favourites( which in itself is not good )"Thou Shalt Not Pass"

    And the rip offs of the mildly amusing when originally said " There won't be a cow milked in ... tonight"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,366 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    seamus wrote: »

    That's not even remotely amazing. It seems like every victory needs to have some kind of "historic" statistic pinned to it to make it seem like more than it is.

    Can't thank this one enough.

    "This could be a historic win for Everton as they haven't beaten Arsenal since 2012" or such like.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,863 ✭✭✭Captain_Crash


    washman3 wrote: »
    Again a say total bulls###e.
    So why didn't the captain and the couple of players say those 'inspiring words' before the game started and your team would never have been in that position in the first place.?

    On the other hand, we often hear that the losing team had a 'massive bust-up' in the dressing room at half-time.
    Maybe that's what happened to your opposition last weekend...;)

    Its part of sport, you don't know what your going to get until your out there. Words at half time can quite often be more important than words at the beginning because you have 40 minutes of game time behind you and know exactly how both you and the opposition are playing, where as beforehand that isn't the case;)

    Anyway, back on topic & speaking of dressing rooms... another one that always grates me is "he's lost the dressing room"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,300 ✭✭✭✭razorblunt


    I can't listen to that dope Collins

    Paul <breaths in through, what sounds like a blocked nasal passage> "I lár na páirce" <breaths in through nose again> Collins.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,960 ✭✭✭Dr Crayfish


    Gangs of culchies in straw cowboy hats stuffing their faces with ham sandwiches going to the GAA Cup or whatever it's called. Everything to do with GAA annoys me.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,065 ✭✭✭TheChevron


    "For me, that was a definite pelanty" - Chris Waddle


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 92 ✭✭jackhammer


    The word "talisman".

    Every sports presenter in RTE seems to use it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,631 ✭✭✭Dirty Dingus McGee


    Gangs of culchies in straw cowboy hats stuffing their faces with ham sandwiches going to the GAA Cup or whatever it's called. Everything to do with GAA annoys me.

    But nowhere near as annoying as posters who contribute to a thread and yet don't actually understand what the topic of the thread is.


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