What would you sacrifice for the island whole again?

jonon9 · 30-03-2017 03:55PM

Not a single thing.

dinorebel · 30-03-2017 03:56PM

ED E wrote: »

If Britain will take the Healy Raes off us I'd be happy to foot the welfare/NHS bill for the north. Definite net gain.

Just make Kerry independent a win win situation for all.

pilly · 30-03-2017 03:56PM

dinorebel wrote: »

I live in Donegal and it's just not a conversation people are having I work in a large company with employees from both North and South and nobody seems to care.

And what's the talk like around Brexit? Surely some people are concerned? Considering the amount of extra applications for Irish passports since it was announced.

dinorebel · 30-03-2017 03:58PM

pilly wrote: »

And what's the talk like around Brexit? Surely some people are concerned? Considering the amount of extra applications for Irish passports since it was announced.

Definitely more concerned from all sides. I'm English but have lived here for 25 odd years and have an Irish wife and kids so am OK from that side of things but the whole border issue has people really worried.

pilly · 30-03-2017 04:00PM

dinorebel wrote: »

Definitely more concerned from all sides. I'm English but have lived here for 25 odd years and have an Irish wife and kids so am OK from that side of things but the whole border issue has people really worried.

Hence why a united Ireland is coming up again imo. All jokes aside I would like to see it but don't think I will in my lifetime.

dinorebel · 30-03-2017 04:04PM

pilly wrote: »

Hence why a united Ireland is coming up again imo. All jokes aside I would like to see it but don't think I will in my lifetime.

No doubt it will(and should) happen but I think it's at least 25/30 years away.

pilly · 30-03-2017 04:11PM

dinorebel wrote: »

No doubt it will(and should) happen but I think it's at least 25/30 years away.

As I say not in my lifetime, unless it's on my death bed.

:D

VinLieger · 30-03-2017 04:12PM

Absolutely nothing whatsoever, if it costs me 1 cent I would vote against it

LordSutch · 30-03-2017 04:16PM

voz es wrote: »

What would you sacrifice for the island whole again? .

I guess that's just an awkward way of asking "What would you sacrifice for this island to be one political entity".

I presume it would be a massive monetary sacrifice (a large annual bill) shared among every man woman & child in the ROI, for decades . . . .

Wishing for Unionists to convert to Irish Nationalism is one thing, but you must factor in the massive annual subsidy currently provided by Westminster, which would have to be coughed up by us every year (if NI became part of the ROI).

Robsweezie · 30-03-2017 04:17PM

Atomic kitten

LordSutch · 30-03-2017 04:17PM

Should do a border poll in about two years time.

FrancieBrady · 30-03-2017 04:35PM

I'd sacrifice quite a lot to see my fellow southerners free of their hat doffing, inferiority complexes and the residual guilt they suffer from their ancestors abandonment of so many Irish people to their fates.
They hate the idea that the ferryman has caught up with them.

They pretend not to care but open a thread on the subject and they are all over it telling us it doesn't matter to them. Bless.

:D

BraveDonut · 30-03-2017 04:44PM

Why would I sacrifice anything to see Loyalist terrorism on the streets of Dublin?

Chips Lovell · 30-03-2017 04:45PM

voz es wrote: »

So what would you be willing to sacrifice for a 32 counties?

I think a better question is, what would you be willing to sacrifice to avoid it?

I think I'd find being kicked in the bollix twice a day more palatable than a union with Northern Ireland.

sjb25 · 30-03-2017 04:51PM

Jep Gambardella wrote: »

I think I'd find being kicked in the bollix twice a day more palatable than a union with Northern Ireland.

By an Orangeman playing the sash

But seriously
I'd be of a similar opinion do we really want to inherit that mess no thanks all the same

Chips Lovell · 30-03-2017 04:54PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

.... their ancestors abandonment of so many Irish people to their fates....

Hate to break it to you dude, but it was the Nordies who abandoned us and not the other way around. Under the terms of the Anglo-Irish Treaty, the entire island of Ireland was given independence as a single state. Northern Ireland was allowed opt out, provided it exercised that option within one month, which it did.

Christy Browne · 30-03-2017 05:27PM

Some absolute edge-lords on here who are against the unification of their country :rolleyes:

FrancieBrady · 30-03-2017 05:27PM

Jep Gambardella wrote: »

Hate to break it to you dude, but it was the Nordies who abandoned us and not the other way around. Under the terms of the Anglo-Irish Treaty, the entire island of Ireland was given independence as a single state. Northern Ireland was allowed opt out, provided it exercised that option within one month, which it did.

Yes, and then we abandoned the people we constitutionally had a mandate to 'cherish' and protect.
The Unionists were allowed to rule their sectarian bigoted statelet until the lid came off, unrestrained by anything constructive the Irish government did or the attention of British government.

cbreeze · 30-03-2017 05:34PM

The Euro
Green Pillar Boxes
Compulsory Irish

blanch152 · 30-03-2017 05:37PM

irishejit wrote: »

That's a bit misleading, and people often confuse Public Sector with Civil Service.

The Civil Service employs 23,422 as of Jan 2017. Source. And a lot of people assume both terms mean the same thing.

Public Sector figures include Police, Council Workers, Hospital Workers, Firemen to name just a few professions. These have fallen too since 2014 with numerous job cuts and redundancy schemes ran this last 3 years. This currently stands at around 202,000 (this figure includes the 23k Civil Service employees)

In fact Public Sector employment in the UK as a whole has fallen by over 1 million since the report you quote was published, and with the way things are going these jobs are going to keep declining in number.

202,000 public sector employees is quite a lot for Northern Ireland compared with just over 300,000 for the South.

There won't be jobs for everyone.

cuculainn wrote: »

How about sacrificing, our status as a republic. Become a unified island, and take Scotland's place in the UK when they get independence.

That way we would get the best of both worlds. United Ireland and cheap car tax/insurance.....etc

Makes sense, the island has only ever been unified while under British rule, as a colony prior to the Act of Union.

Fighting Tao · 30-03-2017 05:48PM

Christy Browne wrote: »

Some absolute edge-lords on here who are against the unification of their country :rolleyes:

Regardless of the local rivalry between counties, my country is unified. All 26 counties of it.

Maximus Alexander · 30-03-2017 05:50PM

For the whole of my life it's been a different country. For the whole of my father's life it's been a different country. For the whole of my grandfather's life it was a different country. It's nothing to me, but a different country. I would sacrifice nothing for it, and frankly don't understand why people carry this baggage around with them.

Most of them don't want to be Irish and those that do already are. We owe them nothing, let it go.

Jawgap · 30-03-2017 05:53PM

Christy Browne wrote: »

Some absolute edge-lords on here who are against the unification of their country :rolleyes:

Very few are against it in principle, it's the baggage and the bill people are against......I've better things to spend €7,500 a year on than funding a Six county tribal asylum.

Noddyholder · 30-03-2017 05:56PM

Yes certainly would pay more for my country to be united as I am sure most people would, I give thanks on a regular basis that boards.ie as in going by the posts are a not represented of Irish society.

Zaph · 30-03-2017 05:58PM

Noddyholder wrote: »

Yes certainly would pay more for my country to be united as I am sure most people would

Most people? What are you basing that on? I have never once spoken to anyone who would be happy to have a united Ireland knowing how much it's going to cost and what a mess the whole thing would be to implement.

suicide_circus · 30-03-2017 06:01PM

It's worth noting that SF got 30% of the vote in the recent NI elections. So that's arguably 70% of the NI electorate who are not committed to a united ireland.

Cee-Jay-Cee · 30-03-2017 06:06PM

I'd imagine if push came to shove that there are very few Northern Irish people who would sign up to a united Ireland if they were informed of what they would be losing, what it would cost them and how it would greatly effect their jobs, education, health service, tax and outgoings.

There are a lot of NI people who shout about an United Ireland but the majority of them are brain dead hooligans who have no responsibilities other than to collect their dole weekly and try and entertain themselves for the rest of the week. It would mean nothing to them as they don't contribute to their society in any way. They are the most vocal when it comes to unification but they are only a small minority. I'd imagine the vast majority including republicans would baulk at the idea if they knew what it would cost them. It ain't happening.

Winterlong · 30-03-2017 06:08PM

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

I'd imagine if push came to shove that there are very few Northern Irish people who would sign up to a united Ireland if they were informed of what they would be losing, what it would cost them and how it would greatly effect their jobs, education, health service, tax and outgoings.

There are a lot of NI people who shout about an United Ireland but the majority of them are brain dead hooligans who have no responsibilities other than to collect their dole weekly and try and entertain themselves for the rest of the week. It would mean nothing to them as they don't contribute to their society in any way. They are the most vocal when it comes to unification but they are only a small minority. I'd imagine the vast majority including republicans would baulk at the idea if they knew what it would cost them. It ain't happening.

And that explains the difficulty of step 1 - Northern Ireland to vote for a United ireland.
Step 2 would have to be the republic voting to unite. I dont see that passing either. Not in a long long time anyway.

Berserker · 30-03-2017 06:13PM

Not Irish so I wouldn't be willing to give anything up. It would be very funny watching the RoIers trying to handle all those pee'd off NIers when they realise that life is much tougher without the bank of London propping them up.

Jawgap wrote: »

on the plus side, we'd get an extra bank holiday and easier access to bowler hats

And all the extra marching could help solve the pending obesity crisis in the RoI. You could send a sash and bowler hat to every home in the country, just like Harney, if I remember correctly, did with the iodine tablets.

blanch152 wrote: »

202,000 public sector employees is quite a lot for Northern Ireland compared with just over 300,000 for the South.

There won't be jobs for everyone.

The redundancies would have to be in the RoI. Also, i'm guessing that those in the RoI on welfare would be happy to have that cut to met the levels in NI? If not, the welfare bill would be ... ahem ... quite something.

Fighting Tao · 30-03-2017 06:19PM

Zaph wrote: »

Most people? What are you basing that on? I have never once spoken to anyone who would be happy to have a united Ireland knowing how much it's going to cost and what a mess the whole thing would be to implement.

Obviously like 99.9% of the people you haven't been to a Sinn Fein ard fheis or cuman meeting.

What would you sacrifice for the island whole again?

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