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Rental markets discriminate against men

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  • #62
    Tombo2001
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,238 ✭✭✭Tombo2001


    Could you provide a few links OP?

    What you are saying is of course discrimination; but does it happen regularly - I scanned Daft and the first 20 ads that came up didn't mention it.


  • #63
    Tayschren
    Closed Accounts Posts: 184 ✭✭Tayschren


    Personally I've never seen a single add asking for female only applicants on Daft.

    Im not offended in the slightest



    exclaimer: never actually look at daft


  • #64
    Tombo2001
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,238 ✭✭✭Tombo2001


    Tayschren wrote: »
    Personally I've never seen a single add asking for female only applicants on Daft.

    Im not offended in the slightest



    exclaimer: never actually look at daft

    That's quite an exclaimer you have there.


  • #65
    Tombo2001
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,238 ✭✭✭Tombo2001


    Mr.Plough wrote: »
    As a renter though, I rather they advertise their discrimination online as it saves me time.

    That's actually a really good point.

    A lot of landlords wont take HAP or rent assistance, full stop.

    And it might be nothing to do with discrimination - it might be to do with the bureaucracy of dealing with the HSE or a local housing authority (forms, inspections, requirements), and the lack of protection that this relationship affords the landlord.

    But its deemed to be discrimination nonetheless. And as a result, the landlord just gets heaps of replies that he or she doesn't answer, and the prospective tenants at the other end are frustrated and upset because no one is answering them.


  • #66
    Mr.Plough
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,615 ✭✭✭Mr.Plough


    Tombo2001 wrote: »
    That's quite an exclaimer you have there.

    I wouldn't rent a room to someone who has a history of claiming. Bound to end up costing you money in one way or another.


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  • #67
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 16,208 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Zebra3 wrote: »
    Replace female with white, men with black, and see how it goes.

    I acknowledged earlier that it was discrimination. However, this attempt to throw in the race card is just silly. You're just seeking to up the ante. This thread is about genders. :rolleyes:
    tuisginideach wrote: »
    I find the absolute opposite - over the past 15 years my Irish male (student) tenants are far cleaner, more pleasant, less hassle and 100% more truthful than the Irish female student tenants I have had. Would never rent to a house of female students again.

    My house is nowhere near college/university areas so I tend to get professionals or families applying since it's a 3 bedroom house.

    And I only pointed out about the damages after they leave.. I made no reference to how they live and TBH that's none of my business. My business is that they pay their rent, don't bring in the Gardai with their behavior (which has happened a few times before) and won't damage the place much. That's my issue. Right now, I have a family renting and I hope they stay forever. ;)

    I originally bought the house for me to live in, but I lost my job and couldn't afford to live in it and pay the mortgage. It's my hope to return to living there later, so I don't want to place wrecked too much. I've found that female professionals and family's to be the most reliable with keeping the house in good condition, and keeping me informed of any problems. I've had male tenants before but it hasn't worked out well, except for one guy.


  • #68
    Arcade_Tryer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭Arcade_Tryer


    Mr.Plough wrote: »
    As a renter though, I rather they advertise their discrimination online as it saves me time.
    Not necessarily. Sexism is often based on ignorance and preconceived opinion. If you had the opportunity to meet the landlord, you may be able to change their mind and sway them into offering you a lease through a combination of charm, civility and common interest. Potentially.


  • #69
    Tombo2001
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    Arcade_Tryer wrote: »
    Not necessarily. Sexism is often based on ignorance and preconceived opinion. If you had the opportunity to meet the landlord, you may be able to change their mind and sway them into offering you a lease through a combination of charm, civility and common interest. Potentially.

    Which you wont do if you are ruled out from the get-go.


  • #70
    Arcade_Tryer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭Arcade_Tryer


    Tombo2001 wrote: »
    Which you wont do if you are ruled out from the get-go.
    Exactly my point. That discrimination is allowed, and arguably even encouraged on Daft, is a disgrace.


  • #71
    pilly
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,005 ✭✭✭pilly


    Arcade_Tryer wrote: »
    Not necessarily. Sexism is often based on ignorance and preconceived opinion. If you had the opportunity to meet the landlord, you may be able to change their mind and sway them into offering you a lease through a combination of charm, civility and common interest. Potentially.

    Would you really like to live with someone that you had to charm into it though?


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  • #72
    Samuel T. Cogley
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,679 ✭✭✭✭Samuel T. Cogley


    Arcade_Tryer wrote: »
    Exactly my point. That discrimination is allowed, and arguably even encouraged on Daft, is a disgrace.

    Speaking as a landlord who both rents a room in his home and an apartment. I would not discriminate for the apartment, on the enumerate grounds anyway, but in my own home, come off it. If DAFT didn't have the filter I'd just do it like I do now and filter it by the emails I get.


  • #73
    Tombo2001
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,238 ✭✭✭Tombo2001


    Arcade_Tryer wrote: »
    Exactly my point. That discrimination is allowed, and arguably even encouraged on Daft, is a disgrace.

    Call it what you want.

    A woman whose been assaulted by a man in the past might not want to rent to a man. There are plenty of reasons for it, and its a bit harsh to jump to conclusions.

    The fact is, if someone doesn't want to rent to men, then they wont rent to men; and its better for any men looking at the ad to be aware of that, so that they are not wasting their time.


  • #74
    Arcade_Tryer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭Arcade_Tryer


    pilly wrote: »
    Would you really like to live with someone that you had to charm into it though?
    Not necessarily. But I would consider it if the alternative was significantly higher rent or no home at all.

    Also, my wider point is that a lot of these people putting "females only" on ads would I imagine consider accepting a clean cut responsible male. But their ignorance and prejudice prevents them from imagining such a sight! And so it's easier to avoid males altogether.


  • #75
    pilly
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,005 ✭✭✭pilly


    Arcade_Tryer wrote: »
    Not necessarily. But I would consider it if the alternative was significantly higher rent or no home at all.

    Also, my wider point is that a lot of these people putting "females only" on ads would I imagine consider accepting a clean cut responsible male. But their ignorance and prejudice prevents them from imagining such a sight! And so it's easier to avoid males altogether.

    I honestly don't think it's ignorance or prejudice. As a woman if I'm renting a house in my room I'm simply more comfortable if its another girl because I might be caught in the hall in a towel or whatever. Lots of different reasons. And people have that right tbh. Do you feel that people don't have the right to choose who they live with?


  • #76
    Arcade_Tryer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭Arcade_Tryer


    Tombo2001 wrote: »
    Call it what you want.

    A woman whose been assaulted by a man in the past might not want to rent to a man. There are plenty of reasons for it, and its a bit harsh to jump to conclusions.

    The fact is, if someone doesn't want to rent to men, then they wont rent to men; and its better for any men looking at the ad to be aware of that, so that they are not wasting their time.
    A shopkeeper who has been assaulted by a man in the past might not want to sell a sandwich to a man.

    A teacher who has been assaulted by a man in the past might not want teach a man.

    A nurse who has been assaulted by a man in the past might not want to treat a man for injuries.

    A baker who has been assaulted by a man in the past might not want to bake a cake for a man.


  • #77
    pilly
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,005 ✭✭✭pilly


    Arcade_Tryer wrote: »
    A shopkeeper who has been assaulted by a man in the past might not want to sell a sandwich to a man.

    A teacher who has been assaulted by a man in the past might not want teach a man.

    A nurse who has been assaulted by a man in the past might not want to treat a man for injuries.

    A baker who has been assaulted by a man in the past might not want to bake a cake for a man.

    Silly arguments, none of those equate to living with someone.


  • #78
    Samuel T. Cogley
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,679 ✭✭✭✭Samuel T. Cogley


    Arcade_Tryer wrote: »
    A shopkeeper who has been assaulted by a man in the past might not want to sell a sandwich to a man.

    A teacher who has been assaulted by a man in the past might not want teach a man.

    A nurse who has been assaulted by a man in the past might not want to treat a man for injuries.

    A baker who has been assaulted by a man in the past might not want to bake a cake for a man.

    Massive difference between dealing with someone in a professional interaction and renting to someone. Massive difference even in renting an entire dwelling to them (the bsuiness of being a LL) and living with them.


  • #79
    Arcade_Tryer
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    Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »
    Speaking as a landlord who both rents a room in his home and an apartment. I would not discriminate for the apartment, on the enumerate grounds anyway, but in my own home, come off it. If DAFT didn't have the filter I'd just do it like I do now and filter it by the emails I get.
    Filtering it yourself is fine. But Daft should not be facilitating and advertising discrimination.
    pilly wrote: »
    I honestly don't think it's ignorance or prejudice. As a woman if I'm renting a house in my room I'm simply more comfortable if its another girl because I might be caught in the hall in a towel or whatever. Lots of different reasons. And people have that right tbh. Do you feel that people don't have the right to choose who they live with?
    Your comfort should not come at the expense of men being discriminated against in the rental market I'm afraid.


  • #80
    pilly
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,005 ✭✭✭pilly


    Arcade_Tryer wrote: »
    Filtering it yourself is fine. But Daft should not be facilitating and advertising discrimination.


    Your comfort should not come at the expense of men being discriminated against in the rental market I'm afraid.

    That's where your wrong Arcade, my comfort does and should come first. Whether it's advertised or not. Everyone has the right to choose who they live with. We're talking about house-shares here so unless you have a piece of legislation that tells me I've to take any Tom, Dick or Harry into my home then drop it.


  • #81
    Arcade_Tryer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭Arcade_Tryer


    pilly wrote: »
    Silly arguments, none of those equate to living with someone.
    How are they silly? Being a landlord is a business. Advertising accommodation is a business. They should be subject to the same discrimination regulation.
    Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »
    Massive difference between dealing with someone in a professional interaction and renting to someone. Massive difference even in renting an entire dwelling to them (the bsuiness of being a LL) and living with them.
    Shop owner who has been assaulted by a man in the past won't hire men.


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  • #82
    pilly
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,005 ✭✭✭pilly


    Arcade_Tryer wrote: »
    How are they silly? Being a landlord is a business. Advertising accommodation is a business. They should be subject to the same discrimination regulation.


    Shop owner who has been assaulted by a man in the past won't hire men.

    Doesn't make one jot of difference to me what regulation comes in.

    As I said I can rent to whom I want and I can live with whom I want.


  • #83
    Arcade_Tryer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭Arcade_Tryer


    pilly wrote: »
    That's where your wrong Arcade, my comfort does and should come first. Whether it's advertised or not. Everyone has the right to choose who they live with. We're talking about house-shares here so unless you have a piece of legislation that tells me I've to take any Tom, Dick or Harry into my home then drop it.
    Nobody is telling you you have to take any Tom, Dick or Harry into your home.

    What is being said is that discrimination against Tom, Dick and Harry due to their sex should not be allowed to be legally advertised.


  • #84
    Pat Mustard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,554 ✭✭✭Pat Mustard


    skankkuvhima wrote: »
    From the first 50 house shares in Dublin city on daft

    4 say men only
    15 say women only
    31 say men or women

    If my maths are correct men have access to 70% of the house shares in Dublin, women have access to 92%

    Congratulations! Based upon a sample size of 50, you have discovered:

    "the Gender Rental Accommodation Gap"

    Now you can give up your day job, take to an obscure blog and begin a new career as a professional victim. Tis what all the cool kids are up to.

    Gender quotas in rental accommodation, anyone?


  • #85
    Arcade_Tryer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭Arcade_Tryer


    pilly wrote: »
    Doesn't make one jot of difference to me what regulation comes in.

    As I said I can rent to whom I want and I can live with whom I want.
    Yes, you can! But you shouldn't be allowed to advertise your discriminatory practices!


  • #86
    pilly
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,005 ✭✭✭pilly


    Arcade_Tryer wrote: »
    Nobody is telling you you have to take any Tom, Dick or Harry into your home.

    What is being said is that discrimination against Tom, Dick and Harry due to their sex should not be allowed to be legally advertised.

    Yes and I and others are trying to question how exactly that helps anyone?

    Ban "no rent allowance" in an ad, LL still doesn't rent to RA applicants.

    Ban "no men" in an ad, LL still doesn't rent to men.

    So renters will waste more time trying to get places that they've no hope of getting.

    Why? So someone somewhere feels better about it? Doesn't change reality.


  • #87
    pilly
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,005 ✭✭✭pilly


    Arcade_Tryer wrote: »
    Yes, you can! But you shouldn't be allowed to advertise your discriminatory practices!

    Grand so, that solves the whole problem. No advertising of preferences. Sorted.


  • #88
    Arcade_Tryer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭Arcade_Tryer


    pilly wrote: »
    Yes and I and others are trying to question how exactly that helps anyone?

    Ban "no rent allowance" in an ad, LL still doesn't rent to RA applicants.

    Ban "no men" in an ad, LL still doesn't rent to men.

    So renters will waste more time trying to get places that they've no hope of getting.

    Why? So someone somewhere feels better about it? Doesn't change reality.
    Ah, come on, you're conceding the whole argument with this lazy reasoning. If something is the right thing to do, we shouldn't just not do it because many people might continue to behave the same way.
    pilly wrote: »
    Grand so, that solves the whole problem. No advertising of preferences. Sorted.
    When your preferences are discriminatory. You can still let according to your preferences.


  • #89
    A_Sober_Paddy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,221 ✭✭✭A_Sober_Paddy


    76544567 wrote: »
    When I was interviewing people for letting I always had a hierarchy for different things.

    When it came to male / female, Female > Male for many reasons that I gathered over time.

    Thats funny was chatting with the estate agent who sold me my house and asked him about gender of tenants(were women cleaner than males), his answer was the gender didn't matter, his had to get women out of properties who left their dogs/cats sh!te everywhere and never cleaned it up


  • #90
    pilly
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,005 ✭✭✭pilly


    Arcade_Tryer wrote:
    Ah, come on, you're conceding the whole argument with this lazy reasoning. If something is the right thing to do, we shouldn't just not do it because many people might continue to behave the same way.

    Arcade_Tryer wrote:
    When your preferences are discriminatory. You can still let according to your preferences.


    Exactly my point. Not a lazy one at all. Banning advertising of something that can't be enforced is nothing but lip service.

    Tell me what purpose you think it serves?


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  • #91
    Samuel T. Cogley
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,679 ✭✭✭✭Samuel T. Cogley


    Pat Mustard wrote: »
    Gender quotas in rental accommodation, anyone?

    Can my quota be the nyphomanics with bad eye sight and large boobs demographic please?


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