VW emissions software update - disaster

ABC101 wrote: »

........................Renault have publicly admitted that they are thinking of phasing out diesels in the A + B car segments, the cost of getting a emission compliant engine into a car of this class exceeds the sale price of the car, the return does not match the effort.
The future appears to be EV?

Isuzu are getting out of the engines for mining game - ROI lower than other markets

Why is Isuzu getting out of the mining engine business?

Mining engines are not regulated by the US EPA, but rather by an independent regulatory agency (MSHA). Compliance with this agency requires a significant investment in both finances and resources and the potential return on this investment is far lower than that of other, more lucrative markets. Should the regulatory conditions change with regard to MSHA applications, this decision will again be reviewed and reconsidered.

Mooooo wrote:

Scr with Adblue is the option most agri companies are taking now afaik to meet emissions. If the car is using scr there is no need for egr if I'm correct and the dpf would last longer?

It's depends like some agri lads use just scr, and then other yokes to comply with the same emmission standard use scr, vgt, doc, dpf, egr, basically all the toys for the same standard

Ye, looks like there might be a nice little market there now for the remappers to fix the 'fix' of the original NOx "fix"!:pac:

Cortecs wrote: »

Without having to read the whole thread on my phone.... I've got the emissions update letter for my 2013 A6 and I have no intention of getting it done. However, wondering if it be an issue come NCT time later in the year?

No. nothing to worry about.

One upside of getting it done is that if your car hasn't had EGR trouble yet and it happens after the software update then it should be covered by VW foc.

Frankie Lee wrote: »

One upside of getting it done is that if your car hasn't had EGR trouble yet and it happens after the software update then it should be covered by VW foc.

You will have some job convincing VW that the update caused it, unless it happened as you drove it out the garage door!

Frankie Lee wrote: »

One upside of getting it done is that if your car hasn't had EGR trouble yet and it happens after the software update then it should be covered by VW foc.

VW took in our 2011 Golf 1.6 TDi about 6 weeks ago for the emissions update. There was no obvious change in the car upon return - although I'm suspicious that the mpg has worsened, I didn't do definitive measurements before and after to be certain.

Anyway, last weekend my wife had to drive all the way down to Dingle from Galway (probably the longest journey she's ever driven herself). She called me en route to say she'd started getting a flashing Glow Plug light and after a while the car went in to limp mode. I suggested she stop for a break and when she resumed, it seemed to have gone away.

But at the end of the weekend she had to drive all the way back to Galway at night (with a passenger) and the problem came back. I told her over the phone to just keep going as limp mode was OK on the motorway, but then the engine light came on also, plus a message about an engine fault and they started panicking, not wanting to be stranded in the middle of nowhere. They were having trouble understanding the warnings and decided to stop at Ennis and found somewhere to the stay the night.

They happened to be near Western Garages VW dealer, so she took it in to them on Monday morning. The diagnostics said a bunch of stuff about EGR faults and filters, which was going to be over €1,100 to fix :eek: But the engineer could see from the data that we'd always serviced it on schedule at a VW dealer and they'd done the emissions update just recently.

I'm not entirely clear on the detail, but it seems that VW are going to cover most of the cost under their "Good Will" policy. We just have to pay a nominal €130 to the garage to qualify for the warranty that covers their work. So I'm not sure if this is an admission by VW that the update directly caused our EGR problems, or if this is a general known issue with that generation engine which they're accepting liability for?

After a bit of back-and-forth, once he was satisfied VW were going to cover it too, the service manager also gave my wife a courtesy car, as she still needed to get back to Galway (having also incurred the overnight accommodation cost).

It could take a week to be fixed, so we'll wait to see what happens...

Gwynston wrote: »

Oh, and after some research, my wife found this article that just happened to come out over the weekend:

The Guardian: Up in smoke: the VW emissions ‘fix’ has left our car undriveable

Is it possible that these are typical VW failures and that would have happened with or without the software update? Just an unhappy coincidence?

Sorry for your trouble Gwynston.

Either way, it makes second hand diesel VW a deeply unappealing purchase.

EGR cooler rings a bell, but I haven't spoken to the garage in detail myself, so will do so when we go back.

As for 2nd hand:
Funnily enough, as they handed over the keys to a nice new 171 Mk VII Golf 1.6 TDi with lots of toys as a loner, they said to my wife, "We offer trade-in deals, if you're interested in this newer model."

bear1 wrote: »

Aren't those engines prone to EGR cooler faults?

At what mileage ??

I know 4 of these engines with 250K + km.. The highest one had 350k km

None needed anything but standard service and timing belts. (I lie one needed an air-con compressor at 200k km)

I heard today someone presented their Audi for the NCT and they refused to test it without proof/letter the emissions fix was done!

Stallingrad wrote: »

Is it possible that these are typical VW failures and that would have happened with or without the software update? Just an unhappy coincidence?

It is a case that they give a lot of trouble regardless but the dealers have leeway with goodwill after the software update has been done or so I've heard. VW Ireland don't want any extra bad press.