BE strike [Read 1st post before posting]

Stephen15 · 26-03-2017 05:32PM

devnull wrote: »

I would congratulate anyone who tolerates an almost 5 hour trip between Dublin Airport and Cork by using Dublin Coach and the required change of coaches, I didn't include them because of the cost and the journey duration.

Oh I thought dublin coach went direct

devnull · 26-03-2017 05:36PM

Stephen15 wrote: »

Oh I thought dublin coach went direct

Nope - see here:
http://dublincoach.ie/timetables-fares/M9-waterford-kilkenny-dublin-bus.php

lawlolawl · 26-03-2017 08:40PM

As an IE employee i actually have a bit of an issue with what the BE employees pulled on Friday.

The last strike we had they temporarily moved their bus stop from our facility and carried out a normal days work but their strike saw pickets put on some of our facilities which had a knock on at my location.

Add to that the fact that all they have at the stop at our place is an out of date timetable that only shows a handful of routes and a couple of bins they never empty and i don't really feel a whole lot of solidarity with them.

It is the most half-arsed Irish nationwide company i have ever encountered anyway.

JCX BXC · 26-03-2017 08:43PM

lawlolawl wrote: »

As an IE employee i actually have a bit of an issue with what the BE employees pulled on Friday.

The last strike we had they temporarily moved their bus stop from our facility and carried out a normal days work but their strike saw pickets put on some of our facilities which had a knock on at my location.

Add to that the fact that all they have at the stop at our place is an out of date timetable that only shows a handful of routes and a couple of bins they never empty and i don't really feel a whole lot of solidarity with them.

It is the most half-arsed Irish nationwide company i have ever encountered anyway.

If only you were reflective of IE, an Illegal sympathy strike did occur, causing massive disruption for thousands of people. Didn't seem to bother the majority of IE drivers.

And in regards to half arsed, IE is quite poor too, both derived from CIE.

Ry · 26-03-2017 09:25PM

Anyone know of alternate services serving Wicklow to Dublin routes?

devnull · 26-03-2017 09:34PM

Ry wrote: »

Anyone know of alternate services serving Wicklow to Dublin routes?

Your best bet is train unfortunately or a taxi to Newcastle or Greystones for Dublin Bus options or Greystones for more frequent train service.

Hilly Bill · 26-03-2017 10:36PM

Ry wrote: »

Anyone know of alternate services serving Wicklow to Dublin routes?

Wexford bus maybe.

Fred Swanson · 26-03-2017 10:41PM

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Stephen15 · 26-03-2017 10:58PM

Where are the private operators like Aircoach, Go Bus/BÈ, Dublin Coach and Citylink etc. are based and have their depots would BE ever picket their depots.

devnull · 26-03-2017 11:07PM

Stephen15 wrote: »

Where are the private operators like Aircoach, Go Bus/BÈ, Dublin Coach and Citylink etc. are based and have their depots would BE ever picket their depots.

Aircoach - Main depot at Dublin Airport, outstations in Cork and Belfast
Citylink - Main depot in Galway, outstation in Limerick
Dublin Coach - Main Depot on Naas Road, Dublin, outstations in Ennis and Waterford
GoBus - Galway
GoBe - Based out of Barrys (Cork) and Eirebus (Dublin, Ballycoolin)

All GoBe cancelled from Monday, I can't see they can picket private operators and the private operators wouldn't get involved anyway and picked alongside them, because that would be plain stupid, not to mention it would be a lengthy trek away from their own depots.

What is possible if the strike goes on to rack up pressure is to stop vehicles leaving St Patrick's Quay, over the road from the Bus Eireann Depot, like they did with GoBe, and stop Dublin Coach, Citylink and Aircoach who all operate from it, unlikely but not impossible.

Delta2113 · 26-03-2017 11:21PM

JCX BXC wrote: »

If only you were reflective of IE, an Illegal sympathy strike did occur, causing massive disruption for thousands of people. Didn't seem to bother the majority of IE drivers.

And in regards to half arsed, IE is quite poor too, both derived from CIE.

- No illegal strike has occured let's get the facts straight.

monument · 26-03-2017 11:25PM

JCX BXC wrote: »

If only you were reflective of IE, an Illegal sympathy strike did occur, causing massive disruption for thousands of people. Didn't seem to bother the majority of IE drivers.

And in regards to half arsed, IE is quite poor too, both derived from CIE.

The majority of IE drivers were not involved in striking -- make that claim again on this thread and expect it to be treated as trolling and get banned.

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Jamie2k9 · 26-03-2017 11:27PM

lawlolawl wrote: »

As an IE employee i actually have a bit of an issue with what the BE employees pulled on Friday.

The last strike we had they temporarily moved their bus stop from our facility and carried out a normal days work but their strike saw pickets put on some of our facilities which had a knock on at my location.

Add to that the fact that all they have at the stop at our place is an out of date timetable that only shows a handful of routes and a couple of bins they never empty and i don't really feel a whole lot of solidarity with them.

It is the most half-arsed Irish nationwide company i have ever encountered anyway.

Fair play for speaking out, you do get the impression it's divided IE staff in terms of their feelings. The tactics last Friday were clearly orchestrated to cause problems now who was in charge the union or BE employees for the mess?

I wouldn't be at all surprised if it's repeated tomorrow.

If you go on strike at some stage (after Lab Court) you can be sure BE won't be out supporting you....

Cookie_Monster · 26-03-2017 11:41PM

Delta2113 wrote: »

- No illegal strike has occured let's get the facts straight.

so what was the IE staff action then?

Stephen15 · 26-03-2017 11:43PM

JCX BXC wrote: »

Limerick station operated no services (bar a match special at 23:15), Cork had no services, and intercity services on many other lines were severely curtailed.

Cork had had services after 11am AFAIK

Jamie2k9 · 26-03-2017 11:44PM

After doing a quick count of services it's actually approx 145 cancelled services.

JCX BXC · 26-03-2017 11:45PM

Delta2113 wrote: »

- No illegal strike has occured let's get the facts straight.

In order for the strike to be legal and justified, there must be minimum notice and a secret ballot, as well as Union and ICTU approval.

None of this occured, hence making the strike illegal. Iarnrod Eireann could sue their staff for loses for that day.

JCX BXC · 26-03-2017 11:45PM

Stephen15 wrote: »

Cork had had services after 11am AFAIK

I actually intended to put that in my post, managed to miss that, thanks for pointing that out!

monument · 27-03-2017 01:11AM

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Wheety · 27-03-2017 09:31AM

kerosene wrote: »

10 journeys within a seven day period. i used two journeys on thursday.

Sorry, meant to come back to you. Normally you can get a refund after the strike. Not 100% sure how it works with a 10 journey ticket. Mine's an annual DB ticket and I received a refund for the days they were on strike. They should refund you for 8/10ths of the cost. If they survive.

ClovenHoof · 27-03-2017 10:09AM

The public hatred of the BE strikers will begin today. The unions were allowed a few days of throwing their toys out of the pram, but the mood will be very different as of this morning. This will be a mandate for the government to do away with BE.

The BE unions will soon learn their glory days have ended.

sjb25 · 27-03-2017 10:17AM

Private buses must be laughing I'm just on a Wexford bus heading to Dublin its jammed and they are traveling in pairs it seems second bus behind us to take the overflow

Fred Swanson · 27-03-2017 10:24AM

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AlmightyCushion · 27-03-2017 10:35AM

sjb25 wrote: »

Private buses must be laughing I'm just on a Wexford bus heading to Dublin its jammed and they are traveling in pairs it seems second bus behind us to take the overflow

It was the same in Sligo yesterday evening. Two buses going at once, one after the other. Private bus operators right now.

sjb25 · 27-03-2017 10:38AM

Fred Swanson wrote: »

Where did you board? I am due to take the bus to Dublin tomorrow and I am a tad concerned about Wexford bus not having seats for everyone.

Enniscorthy still couple seats on first bus think it was ferns/gorey when the started using the second bus so between the two busses you will have no problems

sjb25 · 27-03-2017 11:04AM

Fred Swanson wrote: »

Nope. They don't pick up beyond Gorey.

Wexford bus pick up outside arklow aswell

gct · 27-03-2017 11:55AM

ClovenHoof wrote: »

The public hatred of the BE strikers will begin today. The unions were allowed a few days of throwing their toys out of the pram, but the mood will be very different as of this morning. This will be a mandate for the government to do away with BE.

The BE unions will soon learn their glory days have ended.

I'm a member of the public, I don't hate the strikers. As far as I can see they are doing what needs to be done to protect their terms and conditions. The management forced them into strike action and they are probably hoping the public turn on the strikers. The race to the bottom has to stop. Paycuts for ordinary staff while top management have their fat salaries untouched is not fair.

Sierra Oscar · 27-03-2017 11:56AM

ClovenHoof wrote: »

The public hatred of the BE strikers will begin today. The unions were allowed a few days of throwing their toys out of the pram, but the mood will be very different as of this morning. This will be a mandate for the government to do away with BE.

The BE unions will soon learn their glory days have ended.

The unions are fighting for better conditions for workers, not for higher public approval - something which the LUAS dispute clearly demonstrated.

devnull · 27-03-2017 12:00PM

gct wrote: »

The management forced them into strike action and they are probably hoping the public turn on the strikers. The race to the bottom has to stop.

The taxpayer deserves value for money and for a public company, set up to serve the public, to be efficient. The measures proposed will not effect core pay or any changes to terms and conditions, they simply involve modern work practices.

Paycuts for ordinary staff while top management have their fat salaries untouched is not fair.

It has already been confirmed that management will be taking a cut.

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

The unions are fighting for better conditions for workers, not for higher public approval - something which the LUAS dispute clearly demonstrated.

The company has already said that with modern working practices and rotas that make the best use of resources, they can save over €25m before even talking about changing any terms and conditions.

Right now the union refuses to turn on fuel saving technology because they believe it is some kind of big brother set-up and also refuse to do first run safety checks on their vehicles. Both of these things are common practice in the Truck and Bus Industry in Europe.

devnull · 27-03-2017 12:01PM

Snippet from the Indo:
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/thousands-of-passengers-facing-chaos-as-strikers-get-support-from-dublin-bus-and-irish-rail-drivers-35567464.html

Solidarity TDs this morning said Bus Eireann should hire more workers than promote redundancy packages.

Deputy Mick Barry said: "Last week we heard the IDA state that it costs them €10,500 to create a job and that it costs Connect Ireland €4000 to do the same. The same Government that funds the IDA and Connect Ireland stands idly by while mass redundancies are planned in the semi state sector. The double standard is glaring.

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