BE strike [Read 1st post before posting]

BoatMad · 24-03-2017 05:40PM

BanCapitalism wrote: »

How so when BE is not one?

i ment in general , the impending collapse of BE will remove it from routes it is not operating efficiently today, that offers opportunities for other operations to do a better job

BanCapitalism · 24-03-2017 05:42PM

pilly wrote: »

BanCapitalism wrote: »

Most Of BE Expressway services are actually glorified PSO services they are forced to run at a loss.

Bull again, they are loss making because of unproductive highly paid staff. Otherwise why are there private operators running the same routes?

I'll tell you why, because they can make money at it. Pure economics.

No because private operators pay minimum wage and do not have the level of customer service or support staff or vehicles that Bus Eireann do. Bus Eireann provide a quality service, many privates like the union have said operate on minimum wage and do not have the same high standards.

Pay peanuts, get monkeys, i'd prefer someone with experience and qualifications than someone fresh out of High school and no qualifications or experience and gormless as ****.

Graham · 24-03-2017 05:44PM

BanCapitalism wrote: »

Pay peanuts, get monkeys, i'd prefer someone with experience and qualifications than someone fresh out of High school and no qualifications or experience and gormless as ****.

I'm curious, what specific qualifications do BE drivers have that their private sector counterparts are missing?

BoatMad · 24-03-2017 05:46PM

BanCapitalism wrote: »

No because private operators pay minimum wage and do not have the level of customer service or support staff or vehicles that Bus Eireann do. Bus Eireann provide a quality service, many privates like the union have said operate on minimum wage and do not have the same high standards.

Pay peanuts, get monkeys, i'd prefer someone with experience and qualifications than someone fresh out of High school and no qualifications or experience and gormless as ****.

companies like Wexford Bus, Aircoach and others have trained personal , provide excellent service in modern vehicles at a reasonable and affordable price.

As for customer service , sure we have BE that shuts ticket offices, yet buses are still to depart and cant accept a Leap card and a private operator that can take debit cards, credit cards and Leap cards in a modern on bus terminal

Im sure your union has mentioned that as a balanced view , No ??

BanCapitalism · 24-03-2017 05:46PM

Graham wrote: »

BanCapitalism wrote: »

Pay peanuts, get monkeys, i'd prefer someone with experience and qualifications than someone fresh out of High school and no qualifications or experience and gormless as ****.

I'm curious, what specific qualifications do BE drivers have that their private sector counterparts are missing?

Many years of experience of working for a transport company that has provided many years service to the population of IReland, not discriminating against people in rural areas?

eeguy · 24-03-2017 05:46PM

BanCapitalism wrote: »

No because private operators pay minimum wage and do not have the level of customer service or support staff or vehicles that Bus Eireann do. Bus Eireann provide a quality service, many privates like the union have said operate on minimum wage and do not have the same high standards.

Pay peanuts, get monkeys, i'd prefer someone with experience and qualifications than someone fresh out of High school and no qualifications or experience and gormless as ****.

Oh my god. I can only laugh at the number of ridiculous statements in that post.
Customer service?
Support staff?
High standards?
Experience and qualifications?

What planet are you on?

jimmycrackcorm · 24-03-2017 05:47PM

BanCapitalism wrote:

The law is written in the interests of the capitalist class and as a stick to beat the working class into submission.

There's nothing stopping us from having any laws we want. Typically though people scream why aren't we jailing the bankers, but if you ask then to subsidy a law, that will hold up in court, that we could vote in, they can't. I'm sure that none of us would object to such a law.

BanCapitalism wrote:

m disgusted that the establishment political and corporate class has bankrupted thousands of families driving them into unemployment, poverty , the loss of their homes, emigration etc etc.

We all partied. No one shouted that we were building too many ghost houses and that lots of construction guys should loose their jobs as a result.

BanCapitalism wrote:

â€œUniteâ€™s Michael Taft told the committee that Ireland fared badly when compared with other EU countries in terms of subvention. CIÃ‰â€™s subvention from the State was reduced from â‚¬321m in 2008 to â‚¬189m in 2015, a reduction of 41pc. Payroll costs were reduced by 12.6pc.â€

The problem is though that other countries get better services for their subvention. We wouldn't get the same if we increased it so why should we? We know from the massive increases in the health budget during the boom years that we didn't get empty waiting lists. All we got was overpaid staff.

BoatMad · 24-03-2017 05:47PM

There is no real disruption, people will get by, most own a car, or drive, or have friends with cars, there are many ways about it, but for the greatrer good this strike is needed and for society as a whole, nnobody is being held to ransom.

"oh sir, let them eat cake"

but for the greatrer good this strike is needed and for society as a whole

finally we agree, it will end BE for good

murphaph · 24-03-2017 05:47PM

BanCapitalism wrote: »

The law is written in the interests of the capitalist class and as a stick to beat the working class into submission.

What do you work at?

Graham · 24-03-2017 05:48PM

BanCapitalism wrote: »

There is no real disruption, people will get by, most own a car, or drive, or have friends with cars, there are many ways about it

You're suggesting that BE are unnecessary?

murphaph · 24-03-2017 05:53PM

BanCapitalism wrote: »

No because private operators pay minimum wage and do not have the level of customer service or support staff or vehicles that Bus Eireann do. Bus Eireann provide a quality service, many privates like the union have said operate on minimum wage and do not have the same high standards.

Pay peanuts, get monkeys, i'd prefer someone with experience and qualifications than someone fresh out of High school and no qualifications or experience and gormless as ****.

Do you think we should axe Ryanair and reinstate the €300 fares to London of quality Aer Lingus?

BuilderPlumber · 24-03-2017 05:56PM

BanCapitalism wrote: »

There is no real disruption, people will get by, most own a car, or drive, or have friends with cars, there are many ways about it, but for the greatrer good this strike is needed and for society as a whole, nnobody is being held to ransom.

Hell some of those fat bastards who use the bus might discover what it is to lose weight, walk, cycle or run, might be more activity than they have got in a while aside from **** in their beds over the thought of Bus Eireann going bust like it's all of their dreams come true.

There is real disruption for certain parts of Ireland. I have friends who want to go from Ennis and Limerick to Waterford and Wexford for example. They don't drive, there is no alternative route other than going all the way to Dublin or near it and down to Waterford and Wexford. I am in Cork and even here there are places one cannot easily get to.

For the greater good, workers should rise up against unfair bosses BUT NOT by abusing the public. The public need to be kept onside and the unions need to think about industrial action that does not annoy the public and gets the message to greedy bosses. I'm sure there are a million things unions could organise with bus drivers to keep the buses running and yet annoy management. Not handing in bus fare cash would be an obvious form of industrial action: hold onto it in the union account (have it vetted so no one siphons it away) and use it only for fuel and workers' wages and not for management wages until they come to their senses.

Donal55 · 24-03-2017 05:56PM

Listening to most of the commentary today and from the vox pops which are being aired there does seem to be a fair level of support for the strikers, both bus and rail.

BoatMad · 24-03-2017 06:00PM

For the greater good, workers should rise up against unfair bosses

how are the bosses unfair. in this case

Graham · 24-03-2017 06:00PM

Donal55 wrote: »

Listening to most of the commentary today and from the vox pops which are being aired there does seem to be a fair level of support for the strikers, both bus and rail.

Poll on one of the newspapers:

Do you support the strike action:

28% Yes
67% No

jimmycrackcorm · 24-03-2017 06:02PM

BanCapitalism wrote:

There is no real disruption, people will get by, most own a car, or drive, or have friends with cars, there are many ways about it, but for the greatrer good this strike is needed and for society as a whole, nnobody is being held to ransom.

I actually agree with you. This strike is needed for the greater good.

Though I suspect we have different outcomes in mind.

BoatMad · 24-03-2017 06:04PM

The end is nigh for BE

It is understood Air Coach, which has a sizable part of the market for Cork to Dublin route, has contracted ten buses from a private bus operator to meet the additional demand.

The general manager of the City Link private bus service has said the company has increased their departures by 25% on the Dublin to Galway route and other services around the country today to meet demands.

City Link usually has 100 daily departures on services that include 14 different towns on the 'off motorway route' to Dublin from Galway, but has around 25 additional buses out to meet demands.

The National Transport Authority has reminded passengers that there are alternative private operators on many routes.

If Bus Éireann passengers defect to them, they may never return, further damaging revenue at the State-owned company. No further talks are planned at present.

shades of the destruction of rail freight strikes

Wheety · 24-03-2017 06:11PM

Yup. They're shooting themselves in the foot. When the trains or Luas go on strike there are no alternatives on the tracks. Private busses will operate with increased capacity and profits now and eventually BÉ will be wound up.

I'm expecting End of the Road to come in and say:
Not shooting themselves in the foot

jackofalltrades · 24-03-2017 06:17PM

Graham wrote: »

Poll on one of the newspapers:

Do you support the strike action:

28% Yes
67% No

Also:

OffalyExpress.ie

61% No
39% Yes

TheJournal.ie

62% No
33% Yes
5% No opinion

pjohnson · 24-03-2017 06:18PM

BanCapitalism wrote: »

There is no real disruption, people will get by, most own a car, or drive, or have friends with cars, there are many ways about it, but for the greatrer good this strike is needed and for society as a whole, nnobody is being held to ransom.

Hell some of those fat bastards who use the bus might discover what it is to lose weight, walk, cycle or run, might be more activity than they have got in a while aside from **** in their beds over the thought of Bus Eireann going bust like it's all of their dreams come true.

Lol so you want the national hero bus drivers to strike like the heros they are? BUT you also want the **** fat bastards to start using other means of transport? Makes sense considering you love this strike. Of course you want them to keep their over-inflated pay check while actually getting LESS customers. What a utopia you want for us.

BanCapitalism wrote: »

No because private operators pay minimum wage and do not have the level of customer service or support staff or vehicles that Bus Eireann do. Bus Eireann provide a quality service, many privates like the union have said operate on minimum wage and do not have the same high standards.

Pay peanuts, get monkeys, i'd prefer someone with experience and qualifications than someone fresh out of High school and no qualifications or experience and gormless as ****.

Wait do you think you need a doctorate to drive a BE bus??

BoatMad · 24-03-2017 06:18PM

jackofalltrades wrote: »

Also:

OffalyExpress.ie

61% No
39% Yes

TheJournal.ie

62% No
33% Yes
5% No opinion

public sector unions prefer alternative " facts " and la-la land arguments , so lets not bother with reality

Donal55 · 24-03-2017 06:19PM

jackofalltrades wrote: »

Also:

OffalyExpress.ie

61% No
39% Yes

TheJournal.ie

62% No
33% Yes
5% No opinion

Average of 30% support. Not bad I suppose. Thought it would be less.

BoatMad · 24-03-2017 06:20PM

Donal55 wrote: »

Average of 30% support. Not bad I suppose. Thought it would be less.

online tends to be leftist in nature

murphaph · 24-03-2017 06:24PM

BoatMad wrote: »

online tends to be leftist in nature

And it's only day 1 of inconvenience.

Fair play to the privates for upping their game to provide extra capacity.

pilly · 24-03-2017 06:25PM

eeguy wrote:

Probably a bus driver.

Don't think so. Don't think the poster is even irish given that they mention "high school"

Graham · 24-03-2017 06:26PM

murphaph wrote: »

Fair play to the privates for upping their game to provide extra capacity.

It goes to show how quickly some transport operators can adapt when they're not forced to put every operational change to a union ballot and months of negotiation for increased pay to account for the change.

Nermal · 24-03-2017 06:30PM

Could the restrictions on private operator licences be 'temporarily' removed?

BoatMad · 24-03-2017 06:33PM

Nermal wrote: »

Could the restrictions on private operator licences be 'temporarily' removed?

no reason why not, its merely a function of legislation that allows the NTA to control routes and route operators

Donal55 · 24-03-2017 06:34PM

Nermal wrote: »

Could the restrictions on private operator licences be 'temporarily' removed?

Its like asking can drivers use the bus lanes etc. It wont happen. It would probably exacerbate things and drag Dublin Bus into the mess if restrictions started being relaxed.

BuilderPlumber · 24-03-2017 06:35PM

BoatMad wrote: »

online tends to be leftist in nature

It is ironic left wing people support this strike. I am neither left or rightwing 100% but lean to the left on most issues. The strike is about 2 sets of rich capitalists, BE executives and union bosses, slogging it out and point scoring. The people get no service for a day and maybe a lot longer and are suffering because 2 sets of cretins are acting like children. BE is a disaster of a company that has been poorly run in every way. It is poorly managed, suffers from the usual top heavy on top management structure, etc. It has filthy coaches that often break down, it overcharges its customers. Its union is just a gang of troublemakers who care only about themselves and not the public or even the workers.

Say what one wants about private buses but BE are no socialist service. They are a rip off for most routes. It also is hardly leftwing to support a strike lead by well paid union executives that disrupts the ordinary people. ALL SIDES in BE are toxic and the people will not forget this strike and the total disregard for the public shown by ALL entities in this failed company.

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