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skankkuvhima wrote:

Masood is muslim though, isn't he? Interesting point you make, origin doesn't appear to be the radicalising factor, religion is.

Looks like it.

Its worth listening to Ayaan Hirsi Ali, she says Muslims want a Sharia compliant world. I got told something similar over 10 years ago by an ex-Muslim. Look online & you will see Imam's preaching the same thing.
The Roman Empire, Ottoman Empire etc didnt happen over night

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdiNOWM6m5A

Help!!!! wrote: »

Its worth listening to Ayaan Hirsi Ali, she says Muslims want a Sharia compliant world. I got told something similar over 10 years ago by an ex-Muslim. Look online & you will see Imam's preaching the same thing.
The Roman Empire, Ottoman Empire etc didnt happen over night

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdiNOWM6m5A

She herself was attacked by the muslim leader of the women's march , Linda Sarsour who said she deserves an ass whooping and should have her vagina taken away because she doesn't deserve to be a woman. (Ali a victim of FGM).

Help!!!! wrote: »

Have you ever sat down & asked them about their views on sharia law, gays, women etc??
I have met many, I was interested in knowing more about Islam so had quite in depth conversations & even though I got on really well with them the way they treat women & what they say about gay people didnt really sit well with me.

Yes I have. Learning about different cultures is why I have loved working with people from across the world. They tended to be critical of Islamic laws back home, it was in fact a large reason most of them moved. They were far more Al la carte Muslims in general though it being academia.

Granted the one I did not get on with appeared to be more religious (though not middle eastern by birth). I have had issue with how some people talk about gay people and women but none of them have been Muslims (this I will happily admit is due to the amount of Christians I have met in Ireland vs the amount of Muslims than anything else though).

One stuck up a little traditional table in the office for Persian new year each spring with a large poster explaining the symbology behind each of the different items on the table. It was really cool

CoolHandBandit wrote: »

You can rent a rigid on a C licence or a Bus on a D licence. That said you can rent a pretty large transit (3.5 ton gvw) or similar with a B licence.

Plus you could pimp it up with bull bars or whatever...doesn't really bear thinking what one martyrdom-craving loser could do with even a smidgen more ingenuity than Mr Masood...

Christy42 wrote: »

Yes I have. Learning about different cultures is why I have loved working with people from across the world. They tended to be critical of Islamic laws back home, it was in fact a large reason most of them moved. They were far more Al la carte Muslims in general though it being academia.

Granted the one I did not get on with appeared to be more religious (though not middle eastern by birth). I have had issue with how some people talk about gay people and women but none of them have been Muslims (this I will happily admit is due to the amount of Christians I have met in Ireland vs the amount of Muslims than anything else though).

One stuck up a little traditional table in the office for Persian new year each spring with a large poster explaining the symbology behind each of the different items on the table. It was really cool

Then there are those that are not critical of the laws back home but are still coming to European countries, be they refugees or economic migrants.

Not all Muslims are like those you have encountered just as not all Muslims are out to destroy Western civilisation.

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

So Masood, or Elms as he was christened, is British born and is the son of a white mother and black father. So he isn't foreign, he wasn't raised a Muslim and he's not of Asian or North African descent.

Just for fun, I'd love to read back through this thread and quote some posts. But that would be unkind.

This man had a spotty criminal past, apparently theres a huge problem with radicalization in british jails at the minute. Guys are conviceted for unrelate crimes get in and are told by radical imams jailed for hate preaching thatthey are destined for hellfire and if they want their 72 virgins in heaven they have to become a martyr. You can say what you like about the mental health etc but deflecting is completely redundant. The root cause of this was islam. Not all muslims, But islam.

Depp wrote: »

Thanks for that its nice to be told something other than I'm racist and I hate all muslims! :D:D

Just want people to realise that just because someone is ''right-wing'' and wants to talk about islam they're not automatically part of the foaming at the mouth ban all muslims brigade, and while I admit these factions exist they dont represent the views of 99% of conservatives/right-wingers. We just want an open and frank conversation about the undeniable flaws of Islam and the quran and for the left to stop with the constant accuse and avoid tactics and face up to the problem so we can figure out as a society how to move forward.

I want to add that many critics of Islam are not even right wing, or conservative. The most troubling aspects are of great concern to libertarians and left leaning people. Despite those at that end of the political spectrum who have been duped into supporting certain things that have been glamourised.

skankkuvhima wrote: »

Masood is muslim though, isn't he? Interesting point you make, origin doesn't appear to be the radicalising factor, religion is.

Yes. And converts to religions are often among the most zealous, imo.

Help!!!! wrote: »

Its worth listening to Ayaan Hirsi Ali, she says Muslims want a Sharia compliant world. I got told something similar over 10 years ago by an ex-Muslim. Look online & you will see Imam's preaching the same thing.
The Roman Empire, Ottoman Empire etc didnt happen over night

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdiNOWM6m5A

Christy42 wrote: »

This message is brought to you from the foundation of fearallmuslisms.

Seriously there are people here who have met real world muslims. All bar one I have gone on great with and didn't exactly try and push sharia law down my throat (the one I didn't like was just an annoying person in general, I have no idea about his views on establishing Sharia law).

Aayan isd a ''real world Muslim'' Majid Nawaz is a real Muslim. All the reformists are real Muslims, some are apostates, many have been brutalised in the name of Islam, many suffer near daily death threats because of their apostasy and criticism or effort to reform Islam. Help!!!'s comment that follows is a good one. You would be surprised by the regressive views some of the most laid back of people can harbour.

Help!!!! wrote: »

Have you ever sat down & asked them about their views on sharia law, gays, women etc??
I have met many, I was interested in knowing more about Islam so had quite in depth conversations & even though I got on really well with them the way they treat women & what they say about gay people didnt really sit well with me.

Yes. I have found that too, and my Muslim friends are trying to fight it. In a peaceful way.

CoolHandBandit wrote: »

You can rent a rigid on a C licence or a Bus on a D licence. That said you can rent a pretty large transit (3.5 ton gvw) or similar with a B licence. It's fairly worrying i have to say that copycats might see the damage that's being done and decide to make a name for themselves in the name of whatever screwed up demigod they believe in.

Would be nice if our security forces at least acknowledged the potential problems and placed some type of barriers at the entry points to main shopping districts like Henry street here in Dublin and others.

But this is Ireland and we like to be reactive instead to proactive don't we.

Concrete crash barriers were installed at market squares in England. They obviously can't put them just anywhere but at least they did that much. I expect it will be seen in more places after the London attack.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Do you think that we must start that process by rethinking how we treat the countries that are the birthplace of Islam?

Who? ''We?'' What did we, the gays, the disabled, women, the Hindus or the Jews do to anyone? Even Isil Are we not giving refuge and care to refugees from the countries that birthed Islam, for years? And sending aid to them? And iirc providing trauma counselling to the refugees when they come to this country?

No other peoples have turned on the West despite their own countries having been ravaged by either wars or famines or tragedy. Isil and their 42 affiliated groups are raping and murdering all around them in their own countries. And it's not a new phenomenon. Who do you blame for that? What more do you want 'us' to do?

biko wrote: »

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/23/violent-extremist-dropped-polices-radar/
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3151990/london-terror-attack-live-latest-updates-news-westminster-terrorist-khalid-masood/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/23/london-attack-everything-know-khalid-masood/

So in short it seems Masood aka Adrian Russell Ajao received a racial slur and cut the person who did it.
He then got jail and got radicalised.

But he was known to police and had several previous convictions across 20 years, although he had never been convicted of any terrorism offences. His first conviction was in November 1983 for criminal damage when he was 18.

Seems to me a general run-of-the-mill thug who got wound up in Islam and decided to lash out at "the man".

And if he hadn't wound up in Islam he'd still have been a thug but whether he'd have done what he did is unknown and imo unlikely. Other thugs aren't doing this, are they? Radicalisation was the tipping point.

There is a very serious problem involving prisoners radicalising other prisoners. Another issue to be tackled!

CoolHandBandit wrote: »

I think people who come from countries that are the birthplace of Islam should respect our culture and way of life, just like i would if i lived there. My wife wouldn't walk down the street with a bikini in Saudi and i completely respect that. All i ask for is the same respect for our laws in return.

Absolutely. It's basic human decency.

Deleted User wrote: »

Surely it should be important to note that this individual had a history of violent acts - he converted to Islam while he was in prison ... for violent crime. Sure, you can go on about how Islam is bad, blah blah blah, but not forgetting the fact that plenty of these people are, in fact, mentally ill or are just violent thugs.

Yet the rest of the violent thugs aren't taking up Jihad, are they? Not unless and until they are radicalised by an emissary of Islamism.

Widdershins wrote: »

Aayan isd a ''real world Muslim'' Majid Nawaz is a real Muslim. All the reformists are real Muslims, some are apostates, many have been brutalised in the name of Islam, many suffer near daily death threats because of their apostasy and criticism or effort to reform Islam. Help!!!'s comment that follows is a good one. You would be surprised by the regressive views some of the most laid back of people can harbour.

This x100 these people need to be protected and allowed to speak not bizarrely branded as racists and extremists by the left. My belief is there are many muslims who feel similarly but are afraid to speak due to fear of retribution from radicals or vilification from the left. The fact they both are on the anti-muslim extremist watchlist is completely counterproductive and is not how we encourage others to speak up. A change in Islam is not going to come from us if its to be effective. It has to come from within Islam to make any change. And how we can help is to encourage and protect the moderate muslims who disagree with the more questionable parts within the religeon.