IAA Student Controller Programme 2018

LORD A · 12-02-2017 11:29am #1

I applied for the student controller programme and I was just wondering how long did it take for people to hear back?

notharrypotter · 12-02-2017 11:32am

LORD A wrote: »

I applied for the student controller programme and I was just wondering how long did it take for people to hear back?

To whom did you apply?

LORD A · 12-02-2017 11:34am

notharrypotter wrote: »

To whom did you apply?

Oh my apologies, I applied through the IAA via their online application

faoiarvok · 12-02-2017 12:20pm

You will not be contacted until they start the recruitment competition. Plan was to start the process before the end of Q1, but this may now be delayed to run more advertising prior to the competition.

LORD A · 12-02-2017 12:37pm

faoiarvok wrote: »

You will not be contacted until they start the recruitment competition. Plan was to start the process before the end of Q1, but this may now be delayed to run more advertising prior to the competition.

Oh right I see, you wouldn't know how delayed it wil be? Apologies I could not find out on the website

faoiarvok · 12-02-2017 2:07pm

Afraid not, that's second hand information – so a couple grains of salt could be appropriate.

LORD A · 12-02-2017 2:08pm

faoiarvok wrote: »

Afraid not, that's second hand information – so a couple grains of salt could be appropriate.

Haha thanks for the reply mate, just a waiting game I suppose!

notharrypotter · 20-02-2017 12:32pm

New recruitment has launched.

We are currently accepting applications and will invite those applicants who meet the minimum requirements to begin the selection process.

Applications close on 15th March 2017.

Closing date is 15/3/2017.

DeltaOscar · 27-02-2017 9:07pm

Has anyone else applied for this? I filled the form out on their website but haven't had any corespondance yet?

Bsal · 27-02-2017 10:25pm

Reading the small print there is no allowance/payments made to the candidate during the 16 months of training, just something to think about before applying.

duskyjoe · 01-03-2017 9:07am

Bsal wrote: »

Reading the small print there is no allowance/payments made to the candidate during the 16 months of training, just something to think about before applying.

Big picture Bsal. Students in college don't get paid to go either except by their parents. To those applying I think it is a wonderful job and have the height of respect for ATC people. Having flown professionally all around the world I deem Irish ATC as total pros and excellent controllers.

marketty · 01-03-2017 2:13pm

duskyjoe wrote:

Big picture Bsal. Students in college don't get paid to go either except by their parents. To those applying I think it is a wonderful job and have the height of respect for ATC people. Having flown professionally all around the world I deem Irish ATC as total pros and excellent controllers.

You have a point, but this isn't college, so no grant or back to education allowance, effectively meaning only those still dependent on parents need apply, so pretty much ruling out people 25+. The whole concept of the aptitude testing is that it should be open to pretty much all backgrounds, and candidates judged by their aptitude as demonstrated in testing. To narrow the pool of those who can be tested to just young people whose parents can afford it is quite short sighted by the iaa in my humble opinion. Remember many of those excellent controllers you have encountered were paid enough to get by during training and I'm sure some may not have been able to afford to enter the career otherwise. Successful students will be paid a very good salary for the next 30-40 years, would it not be a good investment to provide accommodation and a modest allowance for the 2 years of training?

arccosh · 01-03-2017 6:34pm

NATS are hiring also, along with Eurocontrol, if you fancy getting out of Ireland.....

both paid, although wages are pants until first rating (18 months to 2 years)

marketty · 01-03-2017 11:08pm

arccosh wrote:

NATS are hiring also, along with Eurocontrol, if you fancy getting out of Ireland.....

arccosh wrote:

both paid, although wages are pants until first rating (18 months to 2 years)

Under 25 only for Eurocontrol. NATS seem to have a good approach, trainee wage with an accommodation allowance.

DeltaOscar · 22-03-2017 2:08pm

Has anyone got an invite to an assessment yet?

Stovepipe · 23-03-2017 10:55am

What duskyjoe is also forgetting is that ATC students are routinely gazumped by Air Corps ATCOs leaving to join the IAA system and they certainly don't work for free. It is a cynical move by the IAA to avoid paying a trainee, who may fail, so it puts the burden on the trainee. Given the cost of housing and transport and living in Dublin, this is one hell of a hit on the pocket. Equating it with college is wrong.

notharrypotter · 23-03-2017 12:58pm

Stovepipe wrote: »

Given the cost of housing and transport and living in Dublin Shannon, this is one hell of a hit on the pocket. Equating it with college is wrong.

Corrected it for you.

rudders · 23-03-2017 4:43pm

Got my invitation to assesment this morning. Anyone else on April 4th?

CiboC · 23-03-2017 5:20pm

I got 6th April @ 11:45

DeltaOscar · 23-03-2017 9:03pm

Does it mean something if I haven't go an invite yet or is it just different for everyone? Did ye get it be email?

CiboC · 23-03-2017 9:28pm

Mine was by email, but didn't arrive until 1530 this afternoon.

notharrypotter · 23-03-2017 9:53pm

DeltaOscar wrote: »

Does it mean something if I haven't go an invite yet or is it just different for everyone? Did ye get it be email?

Check your junk mail folder just in case.

LORD A · 23-03-2017 10:41pm

I got my email yesterday at around half three. I was aware of the fact that we will not be paid if we get through to the training however at 19 i have nothing to lose.

DeltaOscar · 24-03-2017 6:29pm

Do ye think I should ring them if I haven't got an invite at this stage? My understanding was that they were inviting everyone who met the requirements to the next stage which I do?

MissMcAttack · 26-03-2017 9:24pm

Yes I got an email on the 23rd, I have my assessment on April 4th! Tests will be pretty tricky but they said in the information email that there isn't any practicing you can do.

Uncle Mclovin · 27-03-2017 12:10pm

Anyone else apply but not get called for assessments?

DeltaOscar - did you phone them?

Silane · 27-03-2017 1:37pm

MissMcAttack wrote: »

Yes I got an email on the 23rd, I have my assessment on April 4th! Tests will be pretty tricky but they said in the information email that there isn't any practicing you can do.

I've done the tests twice, you can try doing standard aptitude tests for spatial awareness etc. It won't make you good at it if you're not already, but it will get your head working the right way if you know what I mean. You'll have a better idea of what to look for.

DeltaOscar · 27-03-2017 1:53pm

Finally, I got an email for an assessment on the 19th of April at 11:45. I was getting worried for a while that I had messed something up on the application.

ambitious · 01-04-2017 12:55pm

Does anyone know what the starting salary is?

rudders · 01-04-2017 5:32pm

ambitious wrote: »

Does anyone know what the starting salary is?

51k I believe

faoiarvok · 01-04-2017 6:40pm

rudders wrote: »

51k I believe

Not anymore

CoisFharraige · 01-04-2017 8:59pm

ambitious wrote: »

Does anyone know what the starting salary is?

It was €52K thereabouts and dropped to €32K. It may have gone up a bit since and also as mentioned there's no allowance on the ~ 2 year course from application to validation. There's a shift allowance of between 20%-22% added onto your salary.

notharrypotter · 03-04-2017 3:54pm

CoisFharraige wrote: »

It was €52K thereabouts and dropped to €32K.

Curious.

When was the starting salary €52K?

There's a shift allowance of between 20%-22% added onto your salary.

Shift allowance is 27%.

CoisFharraige · 04-04-2017 9:36pm

notharrypotter wrote: »

Curious.

When was the starting salary €52K?

Shift allowance is 27%.

"Salaries
Republic of Ireland: Students are paid an allowance of €18,969 per annum. The basic starting salary for fully qualified controllers is just under €51,000. With a shift allowance included, it comes to nearly €75,000."

Quoted from a document in 2011. Is it incorrect? Pretty sure I remember hearing this aswell back a few years ago when I visited Shannon.

faoiarvok · 04-04-2017 9:42pm

CoisFharraige wrote: »

"Salaries
Republic of Ireland: Students are paid an allowance of â‚¬18,969 per annum. The basic starting salary for fully qualified controllers is just under â‚¬51,000. With a shift allowance included, it comes to nearly â‚¬75,000."

Quoted from a document in 2011. Is it incorrect? Pretty sure I remember hearing this aswell back a few years ago when I visited Shannon.

Those figures are out of date, yes.

Edit: Sorry, just realised you were replying to the question about when those figures WERE accurate.

notharrypotter · 04-04-2017 9:48pm

CoisFharraige wrote: »

"Salaries
Republic of Ireland: Students are paid an allowance of â‚¬18,969 per annum. The basic starting salary for fully qualified controllers is just under â‚¬51,000. With a shift allowance included, it comes to nearly â‚¬75,000."

Quoted from a document in 2011. Is it incorrect? Pretty sure I remember hearing this aswell back a few years ago when I visited Shannon.

Can you link the document?

Barmanhu · 05-04-2017 8:27pm

Sat the FEAST today, i know i prob failed it. Just curious as to how anyone else who has sat it this week got on?

CiboC · 05-04-2017 8:29pm

Mine is tomorrow. Any hints...:)?

Barmanhu · 05-04-2017 8:50pm

CiboC wrote: »

Mine is tomorrow. Any hints...:)?

None really, take your time and read the instructions and make sure you understand what you need to do! Sorry but i feel i did crap so im prob not the best to ask!

Silane · 05-04-2017 10:00pm

Barmanhu wrote: »

Sat the FEAST today, i know i prob failed it. Just curious as to how anyone else who has sat it this week got on?

I wouldn't be so sure, it's designed to make you make mistakes, everybody does. I thought I'd failed too and passed it twice.

omega99 · 06-04-2017 8:28pm

I'm doing mine next week.
Should I brush up on my mental arithmetic and percentage problems e.g
"what is 40% of 140 multiplied by 5 ?" or "which is greater: 80% of 340 or 30% of 900 ?"

Any of these type questions in the test?

Thanks and best of luck to all...

Barmanhu · 07-04-2017 9:52am

To be honest there's nothing that can prepare you for it, the arithmetic section is very basic (at least on our test, I'm assuming there are similar but different versions) identifying odd numbers and even numbers and putting them into the relevant category I.e categorise all evens as odd numbers and place in the 25-100 box and then the numbers flashed up for a secondary or if the sum of the 3 numbers added up to greater than 10 put them into the 0-50 category, if you catch what I'm saying? All I'll say is ready the instructions and understand them before doing it. Best of luck.

Silane · 07-04-2017 1:07pm

omega99 wrote: »

I'm doing mine next week.
Should I brush up on my mental arithmetic and percentage problems e.g
"what is 40% of 140 multiplied by 5 ?" or "which is greater: 80% of 340 or 30% of 900 ?"

Any of these type questions in the test?

Thanks and best of luck to all...

Do some spatial reasoning tests
https://www.123test.com/spatial-reasoning-test/

Do some stroop effect tests
http://www.math.unt.edu/~tam/SelfTests/StroopEffects.html

And try some random IQ tests, there's loads online. There's nothing you can really do to pass this test if you don't have an aptitude for it, but practicing some of these tests will give you an idea of what to expect. Some parts of test there's nothing you can do to prepare.

The only other advice I would give is that some of the tests require very quick responses on time sensitive questions. For example you decide the answer is A, but by the time you click A the next question has appeared, the answer is B but you've entered A, meaning you missed two questions, the test is designed that way on purpose, you just need to compose yourself and get back in the rhythm quickly, if you start panicking it snowballs.
I'm guessing here, but I think in some of the tests, they're not just about getting the answer correct, but also about how quickly you can recover from a wrong answer

LORD A · 25-04-2017 9:53pm

Anyone know when we will hear back?

DeltaOscar · 26-04-2017 12:21pm

LORD A wrote: »

Anyone know when we will hear back?

I had my feast last Wednesday and they said we should hear back in 2 weeks time. So maybe next wednesday.

Uncle Mclovin · 26-04-2017 2:45pm

Any idea how many sat the FEAST?

Think there was about 18 there the day I did it and that was back at the start of April.

DeltaOscar · 26-04-2017 2:47pm

Uncle Mclovin wrote: »

Any idea how many sat the FEAST?

Think there was about 18 there the day I did it and that was back at the start of April.

About 20 in my session I think.

siobhan08 · 26-04-2017 10:31pm

any idea when applications will open again?
I assuming it would be 2018 or will there be another recruitment this year.

faoiarvok · 27-04-2017 7:45am

siobhan08 wrote: »

any idea when applications will open again?
I assuming it would be 2018 or will there be another recruitment this year.

It's been roughly a year since the previous one, so I reckon it'll be at least a year before there's another.

Bonomc8 · 03-05-2017 2:04pm

Anyone heard anything back yet?

MissMcAttack · 04-05-2017 9:34am

Got an email this morning saying I have passed the FEAST and will be sitting the DART on June 14th! Whoop!

IAA Student Controller Programme 2018

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