Attack outside UK Houses Of Parliament — No speculation — Read 1st post

FrancieBrady · 23-03-2017 12:14PM

Thomas__ wrote: »

The London incident from yesterday has more in common with the Berlin attack from December last year. Just that the London attacker was running towards the MPs entrance to the Houses of Parliament. Killing as many innocent people first and than seek to make way into the political heart of the UK. That´s definitely ISIS like and not like the deed of an murdering American teenager.

I am talking about the motivation not the act. It was a violent act, like other violent acts.

Disaffected people will attach themselves to causes, any cause. It is part of the condition.
It gives them a reason for living, a point to it all, even if they die.
Other disaffected people will take out the lives of others just for sake of it. Others still will end it all with a huge surge of adrenalin by jumping off a bridge or cliff.

infogiver · 23-03-2017 12:15PM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

My ****ing god. This is our fight. This fight has no borders or flags. It is a fight against an ideology that wants to wipe us out.

An NO, we are no neutral. Where on earth did you get that from? We are not neutral from terror groups, we don't even pretend to be.

Stop hyperventilating and calm down.
The UK are being targeted primarily because of their front and centre military involvement in major conflicts in the Middle East.
As a nuetral country we have no active part in these conflicts
There is nothing anyone can do about a man in a car with a knife
Stop spreading unnecessary fear and hate

Depp · 23-03-2017 12:16PM

important watch for anyone who denies we have a problem with islam. again not saying ''ban all muslims'' im just saying we have to stop hiding under the ''they're all racist'' blanket and come out and actually have a fucking honest conversation.

seachto7 · 23-03-2017 12:20PM

On the other hand, Katie Hopkins was on Fox News, and on Niall Boylan yesterday. That sums up the sh*t the Americans have to lap up when it comes to international news.

Thomas__ · 23-03-2017 12:20PM

Depp wrote: »

seachto7 wrote: »

and for some reason people want to avoid saying this...

Maajid Nawaz is one who does.

Ayaan Hirsi Ali has also spoken out, and what do the left do? put them on a watchllist of ''top anti-islam extremists'' then worship at the feet of pro-sharia linda sarsour and her ilk

Depp wrote: »

important watch for anyone who denies we have a problem with islam. again not saying ''ban all muslims'' im just say we have to stop hiding under the ''theyre all racist'' blanket and come out and actually have a fucking honest conversation.

The thread is taking the direction I have anticipated to take by the like of posts like those two above.

The least I can say to that is, that if there is to be any honest and frank debate about the threat from Islamism, at least the Muslims themselves should take part in it. Talk with them, not just about them.

The Backwards Man · 23-03-2017 12:23PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I am talking about the motivation not the act. It was a violent act, like other violent acts.

Disaffected people will attach themselves to causes, any cause. It is part of the condition.
It gives them a reason for living, a point to it all, even if they die.
Other disaffected people will take out the lives of others just for sake of it. Others still will end it all with a huge surge of adrenalin by jumping off a bridge or cliff.

I'd be firmly of the belief that very little circumstances would have to change for some of the more vocal anti Islamists to drive a truck into a crowd of innocent people and an ISIS recruit coming on here calling for the nuking of the Middle East. The 'cause' is secondary.

Depp · 23-03-2017 12:23PM

Thomas__ wrote: »

The thread is taking the direction I have anticipated to take by the like of posts like those two above.

The least I can say to that is, that if there is to be any honest and frank debate about the threat from Islamism, at least the Muslims themselves should take part in it. Talk with them, not just about them.

Depp wrote: »

definitely think this is true...bombing will only surpress radical islam and the only real way for it to be defeated completely is if it were to come from inside islam. That doesnt mean we can't be honest and come out and say there is a problem

also if islam refuses to reform, surpressing isis is prefereable to doing nothing and allowing them to fester

if you read the post that started that conversation you would see that I agree with this? but by virtue of being a non muslim does that take away my right to have a frank and honest conversation about islam?

donkeykong5 · 23-03-2017 12:24PM

seachto7 wrote: »

On the other hand, Katie Hopkins was on Fox News, and on Niall Boylan yesterday. That sums up the sh*t the Americans have to lap up when it comes to international news.

Heard her on niall boylan show. She was execellent.

biko · 23-03-2017 12:25PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Let's start with people's places of origin. Have the US, Britain and France been bombing the sh1t out of Israel, Poland, Ireland and India?

Why do Syrians, Iraqis etc flee toward the bombing nations?
Isn't that counterproductive?

And
Lee Rigby were killed by Nigerians Michael Adebolajo and Michael Adebowale
Britain haven't bombed Nigeria ever.

And
The bulk of the child rapists in Rotherham were Pakistani.
Britain haven't bombed Pakstani ever.

As long as apologists keep apologising and let hate preachers keep preaching we will only see more and more attacks on British soil.
And once Irish lefties have orchestrated enough immigrants onto Irish soil attacks will happen here too.
It's not an "if", but a "when"..

Thomas__ · 23-03-2017 12:27PM

Depp wrote: »

Thomas__ wrote: »

The thread is taking the direction I have anticipated to take by the like of posts like those two above.

The least I can say to that is, that if there is to be any honest and frank debate about the threat from Islamism, at least the Muslims themselves should take part in it. Talk with them, not just about them.

Depp wrote: »

definitely think this is true...bombing will only surpress radical islam and the only real way for it to be defeated completely is if it were to come from inside islam. That doesnt mean we can't be honest and come out and say there is a problem

also if islam refuses to reform, surpressing isis is prefereable to doing nothing and allowing them to fester

if you read the post that started that conversation you would see that I agree with this? but by virtue of being a non muslim does that take away my right to have a frank and honest conversation about islam?

No. It is just that I have come across the same way of leading the argument as you did and it was always used by those who sooner or later turned out to be of far-right or right-wing mindset and the more they came up with their statements, the more it came to the fore which creed they are following themselves.

CoolHandBandit · 23-03-2017 12:27PM

donkeykong5 wrote: »

Heard her on niall boylan show. She was execellent.

Very honest woman who doesn't give a hoot about PC. We need more of her ilk.

CoolHandBandit · 23-03-2017 12:29PM

biko wrote: »

Why do Syrians, Iraqis etc flee toward the bombing nations?
Isn't that counterproductive?

And
Lee Rigby were killed by Nigerians Michael Adebolajo and Michael Adebowale
Britain haven't bombed Nigeria ever.

And
The bulk of the child rapists in Rotherham were Pakistani. The victims all white.
Britain haven't bombed Pakstani ever.

As long as apologists keep apologising and let hate preachers keep preaching we will only see more and more attacks on British soil.
And once Irish lefties have orchestrated enough immigrants onto Irish soil attacks will happen here too.
It's not an "if", but a "when"..

But but but George Bush or something.

Jelle1880 · 23-03-2017 12:30PM

CoolHandBandit wrote: »

Very honest woman who doesn't give a hoot about PC. We need more of her ilk.

She's a cretin who thrives on this ****.

Depp · 23-03-2017 12:30PM

Thomas__ wrote: »

No. It is just that I have come across the same way of leading the argument as you did and it was always used by those who sooner or later turned out to be of far-right or right-wing mindset and the more they came up with their statements, the more it came to the fore which creed they are following themselves.

so because I have a right wing mindset I'm not allowed talk on the subject then?

Thomas__ · 23-03-2017 12:32PM

Depp wrote: »

Thomas__ wrote: »

No. It is just that I have come across the same way of leading the argument as you did and it was always used by those who sooner or later turned out to be of far-right or right-wing mindset and the more they came up with their statements, the more it came to the fore which creed they are following themselves.

so because I have a right wing mindset I'm not allowed talk on the subject then?

That is not what I said, but as you´re admitting your right-wing mindset, one can easily assume what aspects for your way of argumentation you´ll bring up along the discussion. I have read and heard enough of that sort of arguments and they don´t have the best solution at all, cos they are as one-sided like their counterparts.

Professor Moriarty · 23-03-2017 12:37PM

biko wrote: »

Why do Syrians, Iraqis etc flee toward the bombing nations?
Isn't that counterproductive?

And
Lee Rigby were killed by Nigerians Michael Adebolajo and Michael Adebowale
Britain haven't bombed Nigeria ever.

And
The bulk of the child rapists in Rotherham were Pakistani. The victims all white.
Britain haven't bombed Pakstani ever.

No it's not. If you are a refugee, you will want to go to the richest countries to try to rebuild your life.

And
Michael Adebolajo and Michael Adebowale were born in Britain.

And
The Rotherham "Pakistanis" were born in Britain.

23-03-2017 12:37PM

It seems that the majority of attackers in cases across Britain, France, America, & elsewhere were known to authorities and, in most cases, were further investigated. And yet these people still managed to commit atrocities.

Depp · 23-03-2017 12:37PM

Thomas__ wrote: »

That is not what I said, but as you´re admitting your right-wing mindset, one can easily assume what aspects for your way of argumentation you´ll bring up along the discussion. I have read and heard enough of that sort of arguments and they don´t have the best solution at all, cos they are as one-sided like their counterparts.

fair enough but I'm not going to hide my political views. but they dont mean I'm just shouting ''ban all muslims'' like some on the right. Watch the sam harris video I posted, theres no racism just some questions asked about islam, and I feel it represents what I'm saying far more eloquently than I have the ability to express.

Depp · 23-03-2017 12:39PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

And
Michael Adebolajo and Michael Adebowale were born in Britain.

And
The Rotherham "Pakistanis" were born in Britain.

wonder what they all had in common though?

wes · 23-03-2017 12:41PM

Depp wrote: »

so because I have a right wing mindset I'm not allowed talk on the subject then?

Well, seeing as the right, have a terror problem of there own, with the likes of the attack in Canada, Norway, Germany ( which was ignored for years) (also more recent attacks on refugees as well) and the Brexit terrorist in the UK last year, multiple fire bombings of Mosques in the US, white supremacist attacks on Sikhs and African Americans in the US and that is just the stuff off the top of my head.

Then, the complete denial in regards to it. I remember the thread on the Iranian white supremacist attacker, that suddenly died, once it was revealed he wasn't an Islamic extermist, but rather a Brevik fan boy.

They don't really have a leg to stand on morally imho.

Noddyholder · 23-03-2017 12:41PM

Don't think we would cope very well in any sort of attack...

It is understood the man pulled the emergency brake causing the tram to stop suddenly,

There were long delays for a time on the Red Line as a result of the incident, with many commuters posting their frustration on social media.

From Rte link.

Also imo an attack in Dublin be more from loyalists than isis at the present moment.

Depp · 23-03-2017 12:49PM

wes wrote: »

Well, seeing as the right, have a terror problem of there own, with the likes of the attack in Canada, Norway, Germany ( which was ignored for years) (also more recent attacks on refugees as well) and the Brexit terrorist in the UK last year, multiple fire bombings of Mosques in the US, white supremacist attacks on Sikhs and African Americans in the US and that is just the stuff off the top of my head.

Then, the complete denial in regards to it. I remember the thread on the Iranian white supremacist attacker, that suddenly died, once it was revealed he wasn't an Islamic extermist, but rather a Brevik fan boy.

They don't really have a leg to stand on morally imho.

theres a big difference between being right wing politically and being a white supremacist though isnt there? same as theres a big difference between moderate muslims and extremist muslims. but yeah go make sweeping generalisations. Im right wing I must be a fuming hate filled racist right?

Will I Am Not · 23-03-2017 12:51PM

Depp wrote: »

theres a big difference between being right wing politically and being a white supremacist though isnt there? same as theres a big difference between moderate muslims and extremist muslims. but yeah go make sweeping generalisations. Im right wing I must be a fuming hate filled racist right?

The hypocrisy is incredible.

Depp · 23-03-2017 12:54PM

The Fake Sheikh wrote: »

The hypocrisy is incredible.

love how isis don't represent islam (which I agree with) but anders brevik etc. somehow represent the right wing! liberal logic :rolleyes:

The Backwards Man · 23-03-2017 12:57PM

Noddyholder wrote: »

Don't think we would cope very well in any sort of attack...

It is understood the man pulled the emergency brake causing the tram to stop suddenly,

There were long delays for a time on the Red Line as a result of the incident, with many commuters posting their frustration on social media.

From Rte link.

Also imo an attack in Dublin be more from loyalists than isis at the present moment.

People forget that the we have some of the most experienced and revered counter terrorist agencies in Europe on this island

ChikiChiki · 23-03-2017 12:57PM

Noddyholder wrote: »

Don't think we would cope very well in any sort of attack...

It is understood the man pulled the emergency brake causing the tram to stop suddenly,

There were long delays for a time on the Red Line as a result of the incident, with many commuters posting their frustration on social media.

From Rte link.

Also imo an attack in Dublin be more from loyalists than isis at the present moment.

Don't be so naive. They're just as likely if not more likely to attack Dublin than loyalists. The radicals hate our way of life, plain and simple. We are a very tolerant and open society, the gay marraige referendum being a fine example of this. The radicals hate that.

wes · 23-03-2017 12:57PM

Depp wrote: »

theres a big difference between being right wing politically and being a white supremacist though isnt there? same as theres a big difference between moderate muslims and extremist muslims. but yeah go make sweeping generalisations. Im right wing I must be a fuming hate filled racist right?

I never said you were, just that the right has a terror problem of there own, and imho aren't really morally in a position to judge the Muslim community or the left in regards to there response to terror, considering how poor the right has been in regards to terror, coming from within there own ranks.

Basically, I don't see the right practice what they preach, when they lecture the left of Muslims on how they should handle terror.

wes · 23-03-2017 12:58PM

Depp wrote: »

love how isis don't represent islam (which I agree with) but anders brevik etc. somehow represent the right wing! liberal logic :rolleyes:

Except no one said that. Your just proving my point.

seachto7 · 23-03-2017 12:58PM

wes wrote: »

I never said you were, just that the right has a terror problem of there own, and imho aren't really morally in a position to judge the Muslim community or the left in regards to there response to terror, considering how poor the right has been in regards to terror, coming from within there own ranks.

Basically, I don't see the right practice what they preach, when they lecture the left of Muslims on how they should handle terror.

But you are in a position to judge the muslim community?

wes · 23-03-2017 01:00PM

seachto7 wrote: »

But you are in a position to judge the muslim community?

I didn't offer any such judgement.

Just pointing out the blatant hypocrisy of the right, when it comes to terror from within there own ranks. Plenty of the right happy to blame Muslims in general, while ignoring or down playing terror, from there own extremists. Go check how many pages, there were on the attack in Canadan by a far right terrorist on AH (19) compared to 87 on this one. The only difference between the 2 attacks being the terrorists ideology.

Attack outside UK Houses Of Parliament — No speculation — Read 1st post

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